First you need to define what Europeans is for you.
In total Americans buy more consoles than Europeans with less than half the population.
On a per capita base they also buy more Playsations.
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Xbox One X "Performing Phenomenally" says NPD
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First you need to define what Europeans is for you.
In total Americans buy more consoles than Europeans with less than half the population.
On a per capita base they also buy more Playsations.
I think he means Japan is Nintendo/PlayStation land because although Nintendo is selling phenomenally, PS4 still holds a 2 million lead. Also, it's the only place were PS Vita's still sell, so it is a Playstation Land in a way :p
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Agreed. PS4 Pro is as low as I'd like to deal with at this point. So happy they released mid-gen refreshes.
You're on the right track here with this argument.
Investing in game pass and buying up all of these third party studios is a pretty good indication that this isn't a business that's about to collapse in on itself.
They may never be number one but that doesn't mean that you can't capture a nice market share and have a good business.
Should Toyota stop making the Tundra pick up truck or Chevy stop making Silverados just because the Ford F-150 absolutely crushes them in sales year after year? No they shouldn't because they still sell enough to be relevant.
Damn. Had no idea it had fallen that much.
Great news that it picked up a second wind then!!
If you read the article it points out the reason for XBOX growth, especially when you take into account previous years. That said, reading through this thread you see the emergence of two very distinct schools of thought...
1. XBOX is going to be competitive next gen
2. Next generation is a foregone conclusion for Playstation
I really wish we could discuss the merits of each argument without things turning so sour. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
1. XBOX is going to be competitive next gen
2. Next generation is a foregone conclusion for Playstation
I really wish we could discuss the merits of each argument without things turning so sour. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
This. My Pro is a nice improvement but doesn't really cut it. Next gen can't come soon enough. I really hope that MS and Sony will have a nice arms race for power.
MS set the bar with the OneX regarding build quality and cooling. So I'm glad they're doing well.
I love mine too man. I have a Pro and I barely turn it on due to the noise level. The last time I played it was God of War. My X and PC are a great combination for me. I have a Switch so that gives me a breath of fresh air when I need it.
MS did a great job with this system. Kudos to them.
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Same here. The Pro is fine, but it's been relegated as my exclusives-only box. Xbox is doing too many things right for them not to be my one stop shop for all multiplatform and backwards compatible games.
Still too many people in this thread who see that article meaning the need to defend their other favorite platform. The story isn't about who's currently winning. It's about the X exceeding expectations.
If Microsoft is buying studios and investing heavily into gaming with Nadella talking about gaming being a core focus during investor calls, what do you think happens as Xbox outperforms expectations? It reinforces their focus and strategy. It reinforces continued investment. It keeps investors on board. It's good for Xbox. It's good for the industry because this is new money that Microsoft is pumping into the industry. It raises the tide which is good for developers and gamers regardless of platform.
If Microsoft is buying studios and investing heavily into gaming with Nadella talking about gaming being a core focus during investor calls, what do you think happens as Xbox outperforms expectations? It reinforces their focus and strategy. It reinforces continued investment. It keeps investors on board. It's good for Xbox. It's good for the industry because this is new money that Microsoft is pumping into the industry. It raises the tide which is good for developers and gamers regardless of platform.
I love my base PS4 so much that I didn't even bother upgrading to the Slim or Pro (especially after all the noise complaints about the Pro and its lack of a 4K drive).
I remember getting the base Xbox One and how disappointed I was with it after a while and now I mostly play on my X (except for the occasional PS4 exclusive of course). A real testament to Phil Spencer's leadership and direction.
I think the X deserves to be brought up in the discussion of best designed console hardware. The GameCube is up there for me too lol.
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The X isn't only aesthetically pleasing, it's a marvel of console engineering. To fit such a beast of a machine into such a tiny form factor, with an internal power supply, that's whisper quiet, with a very low hardware failure rate is an astounding accomplishment. Microsoft has completely knocked it out of the park with the hardware design of the X.
What amazes me is it's all been done without massive price cuts. I mean, PS4 hasn't really dropped that much compared to previous gens - I guess Xbox One did drop quite a bit because it dropped Kinect 2 - but the X wasn't a cheap machine and whilst I expected the initial sales glut I didn't expect it to be maintained for this long.
Would be interesting to see a breakdown of PS4 to Pro and XBO to X but I guess that'll never come to light.
As a preferred Playstation system owner, I'm glad MS and the Xbox brand did great. After I'd purchased the XB1X, it has made gaming so much better with higher resolution for games like RDR2, improved BC and enhanced BC and Game Pass. I'm now a believer of the Xbox ecosystem.
Sales of everything is up this year. It's a better economy than last year. I don't think this has much to do with the X/Pro.
Well the funny part to me is no one's bothered to ask me about Pro in the same context. That's been... interesting.
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Yeah, it's good that it's doing well for Microsoft and I hope it makes Sony think carefully about the next life cycle.
This gen, however, Sony won't give a toss about the X as even though it is doing well for Xbox, it isn't even making a flesh wound to the PS4. I think they feel they did enough with the Pro, which from a business decision they did - but not from a high-end consumer's point of view.
Xbox looks healthy going forward.
This gen, however, Sony won't give a toss about the X as even though it is doing well for Xbox, it isn't even making a flesh wound to the PS4. I think they feel they did enough with the Pro, which from a business decision they did - but not from a high-end consumer's point of view.
Xbox looks healthy going forward.
Can't explain it...except for everyone knows Microsoft isn't just Xbox
Pro has also done exceptionally well. The entire iterative model concept has worked better than I think most in the industry expected. They're both a significant contributor their respective platform's total sales.
The context of the original tweet was my responding to someone who said they were glad to know when to stay off Twitter with the media release dates because they would get ridiculed because the person was an Xbox fan.
That's ridiculous for a number of reasons, one of which being that Xbox One has had a fantastic year, particularly X.
But instead of anyone bothering to ask "oh hey, so X has done well, what about Pro?" I've received a bunch of flack on Twitter and there's also a number of posters here that are more interested in making sure nothing that can be construed as being relatively positive is said about one company's product they don't like for some reason. Weird, that.
I find 'engagement' to be facinating, as that is what drives much of tech today. It is the prime mover for the biggest tech giants. Undoubtedly, hundreds of billions are spent on this every year, and many of our most gifted people devote their lives to it.
Since engagement success is a function of things like
- Number of users
- Time per day spent
- Number if repeat users
- Average revenue per user
- happiness
- health
- productivity
- education benefits
The drive for profit shapes us in so many ways, we can't even see it—and has done for a long time. But tech has given it so much more power and avenues to exploit. Think about the fact that each one of us willingly carries around a surveillance device that would make Big Brother drool, and billions is being dumped into AI to be able to use this information only for power and profit and—in the case of governments—control.
The same types of people and principles that created and guided the Tobacco, International Armament, Pharmaceutical, Gambling, and Oil industries are now guiding the powerful tech giants.
So, circling back around to gaming...Assuming naked capitalistic manipulation and monetisation of individual psyches and group socializtion will lead to damage in the same way capitalism driven tobacco, pharmaceutical, oil, and arms industries have; how long will it take for this damage to become apparent to the public and thereby affect government policy? Although, depending on how much power tech driven manipulation gains, I suppose there is a question of whether it can be hidden, and whether governments would be able to even move against this...idk...tech/information golem. But assuming it can, we have to ask how long before this recognition affects the gaming industry.
Given how slow things have moved historically, and how much wreckage has to occur before governments take action against their corporate partners, these companies might have decades. But it seems things move faster now, and it is harder to hide things like teen suicide rates vs cancer rates in the aged—so it might only be a matter of years, hard to say.
But congrats to all these companies for making billions!
Well there really wasn't much in the way of major software releases last year IIRC. Plus there were likely some people holding out until the 1X launched. It was a pretty mediocre year for the Xbox overall, outside of the 1X launch. So the slump in sales aren't too surprising.
Until the warriors can stop treating success of one console as a threat to their own platform of choice, we'll never have those types of mature conversations. We're still seeing people giving excuses why MS had any level of success with the 360 as if it was an anomaly or arguing what territories matter and which don't. We all should be glad when all of these companies find success, not look for reasons for why said success isn't that impressive.
It is very well designed and built which is why I was an early adopter. They deserve the uptick IMO. Very happy that the industry is super healthy.
It's good that it's being demonstrated consumers can handle options. For a long time I believe there was this fear that options would confuse consumers and "Atari" the industry. Electronics consumer market has matured to the point that people are far more educated and can handle these choices.
These consoles were modestly powered to begin with so these stopgap systems were a godsend.
The topic of corporate responsibility vs individual responsibility is a fine topic but doesn't really belong here. Would be happy to engage in its own thread.
As a side note, I do get a report each month from Microsoft telling me how many hours my son was online and what he was playing. No similar report from Apple for my daughter with her phone.
Well, there are plenty of reasons for gamers to dislike Microsoft this generation stemming from the 2013 reveal of the One.
On top of that you have the disappointment of their exclusive content, which has naturally improved over time, but the One hasn't seen an exclusive critically acclaimed like God of War and Spider-man this year.
So relatively the X might be very successful and I've no doubt it's a well designed console that was much better pitched than the Pro, which seems weakly-conceived by comparison, but still... "performing phenomenally" when it's being outsold by PS4? The Wii and DS performed phenomenally, y'know? Just seems like a heavily subjective headline.
The One X was definitely engineered to deliver the goods at a reasonable price, it's a good piece of hardware period.
Curiously, do you think the success of these mid gen refreshes could affect the initial install base of sony and ms next gen consoles? Speaking strictly for myself, since I know it is likely a mid gen refresh is coming for the next gen consoles I may just wait it out instead of buying a base next gen console at release.
Though I'm more of the mind set now that we are basically at the end of true platform generations. Go into your ecosystem of choice and upgrade when you see fit.
For sure. I love my PS4 Pro but it is basically an exclusives machine right now which is fine because Sony has had some great exclusives the last couple years. I adore my X and spend 75% of my console gaming on it and the Xbox hardware team is easily the best in the business right now IMO.
The market is not zero sum. It's business, not sports. A particular product can be a massive success and not lead the market.
In regards to impact on next gen, far too early to have a take on whether or not the refreshes could impact initial install base. We dont even know when it'll happen or what the next gen looks like.
In regards to impact on next gen, far too early to have a take on whether or not the refreshes could impact initial install base. We dont even know when it'll happen or what the next gen looks like.
Well Europeans are all the people living in Europe (and not just the European Union, I suspect a lot of people here doesn't know the difference). (Some Europeans don't know it too...)
Per capita, no doubt.
Per capita, US buys more of everything. :-)
But there are more PS4 sales in Europe.
In total consoles yes, you are right, US buys more.
With PSP/PS3/PSV and now PS4, Europe became more and more important for Sony (in terms of sales and marketshare).
Xbox is a huge brand in the US, but it clearly lacks recognition in a lot of countries and they are responsible for it.
Where I live (Luxembourg) MS still did't make the effort to enable Xbox Live Gold. We need to register with an adress from another country. You can however buy the console through their Store.
And for whatever reason, every Xbox game is on Win10, except Sea of Thieves... :-/
Yeah, I really don't feel like next gen is a given for Sony or MIcrosoft, it's anyone's battle for the USA & UK. I think the usual markets will always be Sony's but Japan is deffo moving towards a heavily Nintendo influence.
I feel the tide is definitely swaying for Sony, they have been getting a lot of negative press over the last year and Microsoft are pulling out all of the stops. It's a lot more even. Sony will not have Microsofts landmine of an error next gen, and I would put money that microsoft have the most powerful console. Which I and many others will pick up day one over the competition for the Third party games, this was not the case last gen - I chose PS4 like millions of others and didn't pick up an xbox for around a year due to the controversy.
But like I said nothing is a given right now, and this could all change based on what the reality is.
I really feel like once Sony lost Andrew House that they've lost something. I don't think I'm too keen on the top brass at Sony now, they don't seem to show me that they know what they are doing. They feel like suits to me.
When a monopoly is possible it does become a zero sum environment. That said in the gaming industry I've been of the mind that the market could sustain at least two more major competitors in gaming.
I agree almost entirely with your post apart from the above. I don't think the "bad press" your speaking of resonates beyond gaming forums. In fact, I'll say with some confidence that the wider market has no clue about the bad press your referencing here. The closest thing to reaching a mass awareness would have been fortnite cross play but PS4 was still the destination platform for that game in the height of the negative articles and have sustained that position without a hiccup.
Bad press that reaches the mainstream and in turn has an effect, would be something like Battlefront's loot box fiasco and the resulting drop, to the tune of millions, in game sales. And more notably a loss of confidence gamers have in their products that continues through to this day.
What I think it's weird we don't have articles or Twitters about the phenomenal year 5 that PlayStation is having.
Ms is coming from their worst year. It is good they are selling better in US. But what PS4 is idong this year should be noted too.
What a wierd persecution complex. There are tons of tweets and articles talking about what a great year 5 they are having. However, the Xbox One X seems to carry more weight than the Pro, and the 1X was $500 and said to be DoA just over a year ago by a vocal minority. For it to be performing at this caliber bodes extremely well for their next gen plans.
It's like one article gets posted about positive Xbox One (X) sales and certain people can't handle it.
Never said otherwise and its great to know they are working very hard on that too. 13 1P dev studios already with more joining the team in 2019.. They basically got all bases covered next gen. :)
PS4 has been doing phenomenal for the past 5 years. What's to write about? Xbox is the bigger story because of the start they had and where they are now. You can google PS4 and read to your hearts content.
The X is the best console I've ever owned. I'm super glad MS's efforts have paid off. Of course they're not threatening Sony, but that's not really the point. As long as the division is making money, and MS as a whole are happy with its performance, it's all good.
Sony don't have to lose for MS to win.
Sony don't have to lose for MS to win.
It doesn't matter for me who wins. I play both. I think your heart that needs content.
What is phenomenal is that they are up yoy on year 5.
What I'm saying is that a impartial approach is better for everyone and I'm not talking about Era. Here you have fanboys from bothsides and is really easy to get it.
I'm talking about the media in general.
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Yeah... But Sony is still crushing Microsoft in total console sales. Those numbers are misleading.
The King has returned in the form of the Playstation 4. It's going to be very hard for Xbox to usurp it - even going into a new generation.
The King has returned in the form of the Playstation 4. It's going to be very hard for Xbox to usurp it - even going into a new generation.
I can handle. I'm saying that is positive things to be said about both and not only Xbox.
And I think who can't handle that is not me.
It's hard to say now, but I think both Sony and Microsoft will do better during next generation.
PlayStation 4 was strong since its launch, but its library of exclusive games was weak for the first years. I think PlayStation 5 will be like this year (two major AAA by year) since the beginning. And they have PlayLink and PlayStation VR to attracta different audience. So I think PlayStation 5 can sell better than PlayStation 4.
Microsoft has Xbox Game Pass, Xbox Play Anywhere, Xcloud and more internal studios. If you count all Xbox devices (next Xbox, Xcloud and PC Windows 10 used for gaming), they can do amazing numbers during next generation.
Always happens, but mods are doing a better job of suppressing them. I just don't understand why it's so difficult for certain people to bypass positive MS topics when the only interest they have is posting a negative MS comment while posting something positive about PS. Makes no sense to me.