Xbox Series X: A Closer Look at the Technology Powering the Next Generation

Trup1aya · Mar 25, 2020

Axel Stone said:
Stumbled across this article looking a bit more deeply at the dynamic latency stuff on XSX:

Xbox Series X: What’s the Deal with Latency? - Xbox Wire

Webster’s Dictionary defines ‘latency’ as “the quality or state of being present and capable of emerging or developing but not now visible, obvious, or active.” And now that I’ve finally gotten to use that hackneyed writing trope in my career, let’s dive into what latency means in the world of...

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That sounds really cool, especially for the wired controller. I'm still bummed by the lack of gyro though, would have been icing on the cake.

Pottuvoi · Mar 25, 2020

DrKeo said:
How did this link show that w2 is using tier 2 equivalent? But It did reiterate in the headline exactly what I've said, VRS will provide ~15% performance boost:

NV is saying that, MS is saying that, but an overly aggressive VRS shitty looking 3DMark benchmark is actually what we will get? Press X to doubt.

Quality depends entirely on how it is used. (From bad to amazing and unnoticeable.)
In its simplest form VRS is just rendering with selectable MSAA ratio and display subsamples as pixels.

Meaning 2x2 block in screen rendered with 4xMSAA and all pixels share same shaded result, same color.
If you want to do some blurring you can with post shaders etc.

These should explain things quite well.

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solis74 · Mar 25, 2020

Axel Stone said:
Stumbled across this article looking a bit more deeply at the dynamic latency stuff on XSX:

Xbox Series X: What’s the Deal with Latency? - Xbox Wire

Webster’s Dictionary defines ‘latency’ as “the quality or state of being present and capable of emerging or developing but not now visible, obvious, or active.” And now that I’ve finally gotten to use that hackneyed writing trope in my career, let’s dive into what latency means in the world of...

news.xbox.com

XSX as a whole will be a beast :)

gremlinz1982 · Mar 25, 2020

nib95 said:
The quote at the end mentions they've cut their CPU rendering overhead by half, but then presumably this next gen thanks to the hugely increased potential of the CPU's, devs will increase the amount they rely on the CPU too, especially with things like AI, physics etc.

That is what they did with the Xbox One X, they have got better at it when you read what they stated to Eurogamer and the fact that they have noted that they do not need a tonne of bandwidth for CPU related tasks.

space_nut · Mar 25, 2020

solis74 said:
XSX as a whole will be a beast :)

It eats monsters for breakfast! No where's my coffee :)

Terror-Billy · Mar 25, 2020

space_nut said:
It eats monsters for breakfast! No where's my coffee :)

I love that quote on context of the SX being the most powerful console. MS must be all giddy about finally being able to say with confidence that it's the most powerful console.

space_nut · Mar 25, 2020

Terror-Billy said:
I love that quote on context of the SX being the most powerful console. MS must be all giddy about finally being able to say with confidence that it's the most powerful console.

It was a crazy ride with all the "leaks" but dang good to finally have shown XSX will be the most powerful console nextgen. The team of engineers they have are on point 100%

Labinlima · Mar 25, 2020

I dont know if it's going to be most powerful console since PS5 is pretty damn good at SSD and RAMs but multiplatform games are going to be developed for XSX. Which means SSD difference will be useless besides exclusives and TF difference will be more significant. So SXS will be best platform to play MF games on consoles.

ShinAmano · Mar 25, 2020

There is no debate.

ArchedThunder · Mar 25, 2020

What kind of power draw are people expecting from the next gen systems?

Joe White · Mar 25, 2020

I enjoy looking at the technology powering the next generation.

nib95 · Mar 25, 2020

Joe White said:
I enjoy looking at the technology powering the next generation.

I love images like this. Just looks so slick and Apple esque. Microsoft definitely have the marketing down this time (at least on console reveal). All of their graphics and use of visual effects, typography etc just scream competency and polish.

Prine · Mar 25, 2020

Labinlima said:
I dont know if it's going to be most powerful console since PS5 is pretty damn good at SSD and RAMs but multiplatform games are going to be developed for XSX. Which means SSD difference will be useless besides exclusives and TF difference will be more significant. So SXS will be best platform to play MF games on consoles.

It's more powerful, that's a fact.

Munki · Mar 25, 2020

Terror-Billy said:
I love that quote on context of the SX being the most powerful console. MS must be all giddy about finally being able to say with confidence that it's the most powerful console.

They've been able to make that claim since the 1X. In their own words they never want to give up the "power" crown.

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NEWS

Wake_Lestat360 · Mar 25, 2020

Labinlima said:
I dont know if it's going to be most powerful console since PS5 is pretty damn good at SSD and RAMs but multiplatform games are going to be developed for XSX. Which means SSD difference will be useless besides exclusives and TF difference will be more significant. So SXS will be best platform to play MF games on consoles.

I know about SSD, but RAM?

After reading so many posts about this subject, i think your quite mistaken about it

christocolus · Mar 25, 2020

Colbert said:
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Nice.

Murdock · Mar 25, 2020

Labinlima said:
I dont know if it's going to be most powerful console since PS5 is pretty damn good at SSD and RAMs but multiplatform games are going to be developed for XSX. Which means SSD difference will be useless besides exclusives and TF difference will be more significant. So SXS will be best platform to play MF games on consoles.

Try not to overthink this. Series X is the most powerful console ever made.

Labinlima · Mar 25, 2020

Murdock said:
Try not to overthink this. Series X is the most powerful console ever made.

Which means nothing besides it's going to perform better than PS5 at "some" MF games. PS4 Pro works better than XOX at RE3 Remake. Which means it purely depends on games even XOX is more powerful than PS4 Pro. I am not here to circlejerking. I am just here to give reasonable info. There won't be 900p vs 1080p differences like this gen. Every console will mostly run games at 4K 60 to 30 fps. As for RAM Xbox RAMs are both split and OS uses way more than PS5. 15 GB fast rams for games and 1 gb fast rams for OS on PS5 compared to 10 gb fast rams for games and 6 gbs of slow rams on OS of XSX. I haven't mistaken it. PS5 rams are better.

christocolus · Mar 25, 2020

Murdock said:
Try not to overthink this. Series X is the most powerful console ever made.

This. simple

Xbox FanFest · Mar 25, 2020

It'll be something special to play PUBG in 60 fps if they can get it there on the new Xbox. I'll tell you that!

Murdock said:
Try not to overthink this. Series X is the most powerful console ever made.

QFT

Murdock · Mar 25, 2020

Labinlima said:
Which means nothing besides it's going to perform better than PS5 at "some" MF games. PS4 Pro works better than XOX at RE3 Remake. Which means it purely depends on games even XOX is more powerful than PS4 Pro. I am not here to circlejerking. I am just here to give reasonable info. There won't be 900p vs 1080p differences like this gen. Every console will mostly run games at 4K 60 to 30 fps. As for RAM Xbox RAMs are both split and OS uses way more than PS5. 15 GB fast rams for games and 1 gb fast rams for OS on PS5 compared to 10 gb fast rams for games and 6 gbs of slow rams on OS of XSX. I haven't mistaken it. PS5 rams are better.

You talk about resolutions but then mention re3 remake? You realize X is twice the res of pros version? You think if pro outputted to x's res that it would still run at 60fps? X at prod res would be locked 60 all the time

Labinlima · Mar 25, 2020

christocolus said:
This. simple

Believe whatever you want to believe. Both consoles are better or worse in some aspects. TF difference isn't a difference enough to warrant XSX is going to be stronger than PS5. I am not here to circlejerk about "Xbox stronk, PS bad" or vice versa. They are more evener than you all think.

Morgan J · Mar 25, 2020

christocolus said:
This. simple

I'm optimistic for both consoles, but more for Microsoft because they are on a roll with the new system. Its the most powerful and seems so damn optimised.

Axel Stone · Mar 25, 2020

Labinlima said:
Which means nothing besides it's going to perform better than PS5 at "some" MF games. PS4 Pro works better than XOX at RE3 Remake. Which means it purely depends on games even XOX is more powerful than PS4 Pro. I am not here to circlejerking. I am just here to give reasonable info. There won't be 900p vs 1080p differences like this gen. Every console will mostly run games at 4K 60 to 30 fps. As for RAM Xbox RAMs are both split and OS uses way more than PS5. 15 GB fast rams for games and 1 gb fast rams for OS on PS5 compared to 10 gb fast rams for games and 6 gbs of slow rams on OS of XSX. I haven't mistaken it. PS5 rams are better.

You're mistaken on a few points:

Sony haven't announced how the OS is being handled by RAM, it may have more free for games, there are rumours it will, but Sony hasn't said anything.

The RAM isn't split on XSX, but it does run at two speeds.

The faster pool of RAM on XSX which is 10GB (more than a 2080, just under a 2080TI) and which is intended for the graphics is faster than the RAM on PS5.

It may be that the RAM setup on PS5 works better than XSX in practise, it may be the other way around.

christocolus · Mar 25, 2020

Labinlima said:
Believe whatever you want to believe. Both consoles are better or worse in some aspects. TF difference isn't a difference enough to warrant XSX is going to be stronger than PS5. I am not here to circlejerk about "Xbox stronk, PS bad" or vice versa. They are more evener than you all think.

Lol..ok

rokkerkory · Mar 25, 2020

Colbert said:
NEWS

No doubt so far, MS has been more clear and crisp on XsX specs and capabilities even showing us through videos and what not. There's no ambiguities towards the power of the system to even the BC. They clearly done a nice job retrospecting after the miserable 2013 launch of the xbox one.

RF Switch · Mar 25, 2020

Labinlima said:
Believe whatever you want to believe. Both consoles are better or worse in some aspects. TF difference isn't a difference enough to warrant XSX is going to be stronger than PS5. I am not here to circlejerk about "Xbox stronk, PS bad" or vice versa. They are more evener than you all think.

Yikes

Voodoopeople · Mar 25, 2020

space_nut said:
It eats monsters for breakfast! No where's my coffee :)

The XSX is the number cruncher. It eats 5s for breakfast.

Lukas Taves · Mar 25, 2020

Labinlima said:
Which means nothing besides it's going to perform better than PS5 at "some" MF games. PS4 Pro works better than XOX at RE3 Remake. Which means it purely depends on games even XOX is more powerful than PS4 Pro. I am not here to circlejerking. I am just here to give reasonable info. There won't be 900p vs 1080p differences like this gen. Every console will mostly run games at 4K 60 to 30 fps. As for RAM Xbox RAMs are both split and OS uses way more than PS5. 15 GB fast rams for games and 1 gb fast rams for OS on PS5 compared to 10 gb fast rams for games and 6 gbs of slow rams on OS. I haven't mistaken it. PS5 rams are better.

Not some. Basically all. Re3 runs at a lower framerate but it's pushing around twice as more pixels. Even if sometimes X pushes a higher res and instead has a less solid framerate it usually gets sorted out in a few patches.

Not sure if the difference will be as drastic (could be because there's a sizeable bandwidth gap) but there are no reason for a SX game to perform worse than one on ps5 given how close they are architectural and features wise.

Labinlima · Mar 25, 2020

As for XOX and PS4 Pro RE3 difference. PS4 Pro runs at 2K to 1620p 60 fps compared to XOX 1620p to 1800p dynamic fps.

ThatNerdGUI · Mar 25, 2020

Labinlima said:
Which means nothing besides it's going to perform better than PS5 at "some" MF games. PS4 Pro works better than XOX at RE3 Remake. Which means it purely depends on games even XOX is more powerful than PS4 Pro. I am not here to circlejerking. I am just here to give reasonable info. There won't be 900p vs 1080p differences like this gen. Every console will mostly run games at 4K 60 to 30 fps. As for RAM Xbox RAMs are both split and OS uses way more than PS5. 15 GB fast rams for games and 1 gb fast rams for OS on PS5 compared to 10 gb fast rams for games and 6 gbs of slow rams on OS of XSX. I haven't mistaken it. PS5 rams are better.

You say reasonable info but yet you want to present an unfinished demo as some fact to prove your statement, that's not reasonable info. Can both consoles run 4k60? Sure, but not at the same image quality. We can look at the 5700XT and see how that card struggles with 4k games which the PS5 GPU is a revision of. There will definitely be differences in resolution, framerate and image quality.

Labinlima · Mar 25, 2020

Lukas Taves said:
Not some. Basically all. Re3 runs at a lower framerate but it's pushing around twice as more pixels. Even if sometimes X pushes a higher res and instead has a less solid framerate it usually gets sorted out in a few patches.

Not sure if the difference will be as drastic (could be because there's a sizeable bandwidth gap) but there are no reason for a SX game to perform worse than one on ps5 given how close they are architectural and features wise.

Yep definitely. Backwards Compatibilty games would work better on PS5 because instead of GPU TF SSD matters more.

Splader · Mar 25, 2020

Labinlima said:
Believe whatever you want to believe. Both consoles are better or worse in some aspects. TF difference isn't a difference enough to warrant XSX is going to be stronger than PS5. I am not here to circlejerk about "Xbox stronk, PS bad" or vice versa. They are more evener than you all think.

Doesn't the sx have a better gpu, cpu and faster ram?

I think that's enough to call it the strongest current console.

Fredrik · Mar 25, 2020

Morgan J said:
I'm optimistic for both consoles, but more for Microsoft because they are on a roll with the new system. Its the most powerful and seems so damn optimised.

Yeah it's where I'll jump in first, there is a lot of talk about Sony's SSD right now but proof is still in the pudding there. And I have Game Pass and with the 1st party XSX launch games there day 1 there really was no contest for me. I just want to see a preorder button at this point.

Labinlima · Mar 25, 2020

Ram isn't faster. 10 gb 556 gb/s + 6 gb 320 gb/s isn't better than 16 gb 448 gb/s. For games XSX will have 10 gb 556 gb/s compared to PS5 with 15 gb 448gb/s. PS5s rams are better.

Splader · Mar 25, 2020

Labinlima said:
Yep definitely. Backwards Compatibilty games would work better on PS5 because instead of GPU TF SSD matters more.

The sx also has an ssd though. So unless you mean loading screens that are 2 seconds faster on the ps5, I don't really see the big advantage it has for bc games. After all, they're not being designed from the ground up for an ssd.

Not to mention current bc games already have reduced load times on even the x.

christocolus · Mar 25, 2020

Splader said:
Doesn't the sx have a better gpu, cpu and faster ram?

I think that's enough to call it the strongest current console.

The sooner people start accepting this fact the better it will be. lol

bsigg · Mar 25, 2020

Labinlima said:
Ram isn't faster. 10 gb 556 gb/s + 6 gb 320 gb/s isn't better than 16 gb 448 gb/s. For games XSX will have 10 gb 556 gb/s compared to PS5 with 15 gb 448gb/s. PS5s rams are better.

Oh, oh this is getting good now. Tell me about the boost clocks next.

Splader · Mar 25, 2020

Labinlima said:
Ram isn't faster. 10 gb 556 gb/s + 6 gb 320 gb/s isn't better than 16 gb 448 gb/s. For games XSX will have 10 gb 556 gb/s compared to PS5 with 15 gb 448gb/s. PS5s rams are better.

Do you think the ps5 os will only use 1 gig of ram lol?

rokkerkory · Mar 25, 2020

Good grief some of these replies

Dimple · Mar 25, 2020

Labinlima said:
Ram isn't faster. 10 gb 556 gb/s + 6 gb 320 gb/s isn't better than 16 gb 448 gb/s. For games XSX will have 10 gb 556 gb/s compared to PS5 with 15 gb 448gb/s. PS5s rams are better.

You keep saying PS5 will have 15GB RAM available, do you actually have a source for that?

Corine · Mar 25, 2020

Labinlima said:
Yep definitely. Backwards Compatibilty games would work better on PS5 because instead of GPU TF SSD matters more.

Uhhhhhh what?

Fredrik · Mar 25, 2020

Splader said:
Doesn't the sx have a better gpu, cpu and faster ram?

I think that's enough to call it the strongest current console.

copy paste from a Stadia thread:
CPU
PlayStation 5: Custom Zen 2 CPU with eight Cores at 3.5 GHz (Variable Frequency)

Xbox Series X: Custom Zen 2 CPU with eight Cores at 3.8 GHz (3.66 GHz with Simultaneous Multithreading)

Stadia: Custom 2.7GHz hyper-threaded x86 CPU with AVX2 SIMD and 9.5MB L2+L3 cache

GPU
PlayStation 5: Custom RDNA 2, 10.28 TFLOPs, 36 CUs at 2.23GHz (variable frequency)

Xbox Series X: Custom RDNA 2, 12.15 TFLOPs, 52 CUs at 1.825 GHz

Stadia: Custom AMD GPU, 10.7 TFLOPs, 56 CUs guestimated to run at 1.495GHz

Memory
PlayStation 5: 16GB GDDR6 with a 256mb bus | 448GB/s bandwidth

Xbox Series X: 16GB GDDR6 with a 320mb bus | 10GB at 560 GB/s, 6GB at 336 GB/s bandwidth

Stadia: 16GB of HBM2 RAM | 484GB/s bandwidth

nib95 · Mar 25, 2020

Splader said:
Do you think the ps5 os will only use 1 gig of ram lol?

I think he's under the theorised impression that the PS5 will be able to save a system image or cache aside OS functions thanks to the speed of the SSD, thus allowing for more ram use for games, but this is not confirmed in any way.

Taurus · Mar 25, 2020

Labinlima said:
Which means nothing besides it's going to perform better than PS5 at "some" MF games. PS4 Pro works better than XOX at RE3 Remake. Which means it purely depends on games even XOX is more powerful than PS4 Pro. I am not here to circlejerking. I am just here to give reasonable info. There won't be 900p vs 1080p differences like this gen. Every console will mostly run games at 4K 60 to 30 fps. As for RAM Xbox RAMs are both split and OS uses way more than PS5. 15 GB fast rams for games and 1 gb fast rams for OS on PS5 compared to 10 gb fast rams for games and 6 gbs of slow rams on OS of XSX. I haven't mistaken it. PS5 rams are better.

XseX uses 6gb for OS and PS5 just 1gb? That's just horseshit.

Are you seriously making an example out of one demo? There's hundreds of multiplatform games to compare. Not demos, but whole games.

space_nut · Mar 25, 2020

Labinlima said:
Ram isn't faster. 10 gb 556 gb/s + 6 gb 320 gb/s isn't better than 16 gb 448 gb/s. For games XSX will have 10 gb 556 gb/s compared to PS5 with 15 gb 448gb/s. PS5s rams are better.

XSX ram is better. 10GB for GPU is what devs will push to and may not fully use till late in the gen. 2080ti level of vram and more than other gpus. All running at 560gb/s for graphics is insanely great and better than ps5 lower bandwidth for gpu. The ram in XSX isn't split lol it's one pool that gives gpu high bandwidth and cpu lower at 336gb/s which is extremely more than enough for cpu tasks

ThatNerdGUI · Mar 25, 2020

Labinlima said:
Ram isn't faster. 10 gb 556 gb/s + 6 gb 320 gb/s isn't better than 16 gb 448 gb/s. For games XSX will have 10 gb 556 gb/s compared to PS5 with 15 gb 448gb/s. PS5s rams are better.

The RAM is not only faster but I has significantly more lanes to transfer data. Your comment shows that you have no fundamental knowledge of how RAM works of how its used.

Splader · Mar 25, 2020

nib95 said:
I think he's under the theorised impression that the PS5 will be able to save a system image or cache aside OS functions thanks to the speed of the SSD, thus allowing for more ram use for games, but this is not confirmed in any way.

I'm curious how much of a bottleneck ram currently is for games. I still keep seeing 16 gb as still the recommended amount for the most part. I imagine consoles are able to use the ram more efficiently than PC's as well.

CarbonCrush · Mar 25, 2020

That poster is trolling surely or are people that misinformed?

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