Microsoft Xbox Series X's AMD Architecture Deep Dive at Hot Chips 2020
AMD's next-gen console APUs come out of hiding.
www.tomshardware.com
EDIT 7nm is expensive APU is more expensive than Xbox One X
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"Xbox Series X Hot Chips 2020 Deep Dive"
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EDIT 7nm is expensive APU is more expensive than Xbox One X
This quote from Tom's Hardware is something I think we need to keep in mind going forward. The SOCs are costing more even though they're on smaller processes. We're no longer at a point were a smaller process means cost savings.
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Once again, nothing about RT as a feature is ever a main talking feature since console reveals. RT this coming gen for consoles are going to be underwhelming imo due to performance hits.
Thanks for posting this. I looked right at it on the article and didn't think to post it for some reason.
It makes me question the feasibility of mid-gen consoles as purely revolving around horsepower this gen and not requiring something else (like how tensor cores allow for DLSS on Nvidia GPUs for additional results than what "increased perf" could provide alone)
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?? Ratchet, Spiderman, Pragmata and GT7 have ray traced reflections. GT7 has reflections at native 4k 60 fps.
next gen will be fine. devs will figure out ways to utilize it without incurring massive performance hits.
I think RT implementation will be far more nuanced on 9th-gen consoles than what the first wave of RT titles on RTX 20 offered in terms of options (low to ultra). But that's the strength of console development, being able to tailor specifically for the platform.
Oh, I was wondering why there was nothing much in the link when I skimmed it. Looking forward to it.
RT is still in it's infancy in this industry and it's unwise to expect too much. Still, that doesn't mean it'll suck. Besides, I'd argue it's AMD's job to explain their RT implementation, not Microsoft's.
I will be very focused on stuff like reflections imo. Full RT is not happening. It's probably gonna be the selling point of Pro versions.
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Like Renoir it is monolithic, it perfoms very well against a Ryzen 3700x
AMD Ryzen 7 4700G (Renoir Desktop) Beats the Ryzen 7 3700X in Cinebench Multi-Core | Hardware Times
The Cinebench scores of AMD’s upcoming Renoir desktop flagship, the Ryzen 7 4700G have surfaced and it seems that the APU will be faster than its Matisse counterpart, the Ryzen 7 3700X. Both are 65W chips with the former packing a 512 shader Vega 8 iGPU as well, yet it manages to beat the 3700X …
www.hardwaretimes.com
Is this where they talk about built in secret sauce? Will need someone to help decipher all the technical stuff.
These are interesting, despite being way over my head.
These are interesting, despite being way over my head.
this is a hard confirmation of AI resolution scaling on XBO
3 to 10% performance increase is nothing compared to what we've been led to believe, people have been comparing it to DLSS 2.0.
I feel like the PS5/Series X Pro models will focus largely on RT, much in same way that the PS4 Pro/One X focused on 4K.
it says 3-10x, not %. the lack of dedicated hardware means that they'll have to give up some performance to use upscaling.
I am not knowledgeable about this stuff at all, but the slide you quote says 3-10 times, not percent, correct?
this is a hard confirmation of AI resolution scaling on XBO
As something of a tech luddite - would this be something similar to NVIDIA's solution for RTX GPUs? It makes sense that both Sony and MS (as well as AMD) would have something in the works like this.
But it's 3 to 10 times and not 3 - 10% or am I reading the slide wrong
sorry, this wasn't directed at you, I was reacting to the slide. no malice :)
That slide says it is 3-10 times performance improvement, not 3-10%
Am I reading it wrong? It looks like it's reading as 3-10 TIMES the performance, not 3-10% extra performance
lol that's an X not a %.....
seems a bit too optimistic but wonderful if true. Hopefully this gen will have some legs.
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similar, yes. the difference is that Nvidia is using dedicated hardware. so, theoretically, Nvidia's method would always outperform the Xbox's solution
3-10x.
Meaning ML stuff can be accelerated on XSX 3 - 10 times as much compared to without the customizations they implemented inside the XSX GPU.
looks like that patent from a ways back has been put into practice
