Yeah it's too bad because then they would have bought actual good jrpgs likes Xenoblade X, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, The Last Story, and Resonance of Fate.
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Xenoblade Chronicles 2 shipped 1.31 million units. Best-selling "Xeno" title ever?
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The only point I was making was that Nintendo made the right call releasing it in all territories with no weird release timings or retailer exclusives or anything of the sort. They had a product people wanted and they made it available.
And that I think the lesson they should learn is to keep doing that, not to double down on otaku nonsense like they did with Fire Emblem after its sales went up.
I bought all of those except resonance of fate, and while I enjoyed all of them a lot I still find Xenoblade 2 better than those
Can I just point out the irony of your extreme hate for "otaku" and pandering and fanservice while your avatar is Lady from Devil May Cry 2 with very obvious cleavage? I'm not the only one seeing this?
Look there you go again, Xenoblade 2 is trash because pandering, but you wish people bought Tokyo Mirage Sessions? Which is even more "anime" than XB2? Personally I like it too but it is so not Shin Megami Tensei and barely Fire Emblem that no shit no one bought it.
Right.
Well, anyway, good for this game, and whether or not XB2 sold because everyone who bought it just wants tits, complaining about a lot... again... ever since the game was announced... will not suddenly make it sell worse, nor would it make XBX play any better.
This is good.
Why do you consider Xenoblade 2 a better game? Or even ignoring comparisons, just what was so great about xenoblade 2.
Level design? World design? Story? Combat design? Exploration?
What made it such a great game?
No i am arguing on the fact that you are saying that the reason Xeno 2 is selling is simply because of the consoles and not the game itself which is insulting if you ask me. Xeno 2 can sold this far is simply because it is a good product period. Not some mumbo jumbo that probably won't even effect the sales by any huge amount there.
And how the hell is Xenoblade not a niche jrpg till Xeno2 when it never even able to beat any of those Gear or Saga number even once till now.O_O You are talking no sense there. Don't make Xenoblade into something it is not there. Xenoblade for how much critical darling it is to all its fans and jrpg fans, it is a niche game. It does not even come close Kirby number in the past and this one would also not be able to scratch any of Kirby sales number there. That shows how niche Xenoblade as a series is.
Yup. All the talks about Xeno 2 being released on best time without regard of the quality is false argument as, there is no way a bad game can had such long leg especially in Jrpg genre. We had seen how the sales more than double in japan and yet people still can't admit that Xeno 2 is a good product which resonate with fans, sales great and will make lots of money for Monolith Soft with their sublime Season pass support.
I literally bought and finished all those games and if i am monolith Soft, i would not want to return to that dark ages where my games can't sold.
Monolith Soft is doing business there. They are not doing charity works. If this method is allowing them to survive and making money while pleasing the majority of its fans, i would said this is the way they should go.
And, using TMS and RoF as example is just bad. Those 2 games bomba so bad that it is not funny at all lol.
Because I enjoyed it more. I don't really feel like going in depth on my opinions on each of those games right now tbh.
1 2 Switch sales have nothing to do with Xenoblade sales, the target audiences couldn't be more different.
It's Lady from Devil May Cry 4.
And simply being a sexy female character does. Or mean it's doing otaku pandering like XB2.
And simply being a sexy female character does. Or mean it's doing otaku pandering like XB2.
Never underestimate what desperate JRPG fans will spend money on. I bought Eternal Sonata. I bought Enchanted Arms. I bought Star Ocean 4 on two different consoles and I hate that game.
I just hope Monolith can turn that salt into 1-2-Switch like legs(meaning a 5/1 or more multiplier for their launch to lifetime sales).
What's your opinion of them as games, say this game and Fire Emblem Fates/Awakening? It might be hard to separate the game and the character designs yeah but whenever I see a downplaying comment for these games focusing on the character designs I do feel that not only is it a disservice being done to the other aspects of the game but it strengthens the idea that pandering works. Like I've spoken a lot of my friends who may or may not make up 99.9% of the people still using a 3DS here in the U.K. about these games and the character design (specifically the pandering) is barely mentioned. There's lots to these great games that are leading to their great sales- I know we all didn't buy it just to have something to play on Switch/3DS or because we were horney.
Seems like many of these "desperate JRPG fans" quite like the game though...
Edit: It's fine that you don't like the game and you have valid reasons for it, many do like the game and you are just being dismissive of that fact.
To be honest most of your posts I've seen recently have been quite dismissive, with posts on Octopath Traveler being some of them...
I don't know, I don't see a good reason for a demon hunter to show off her tits for no reason.
And it's not like she's just sexy, you intentionally cropped a pic of an obvious pin-up / cheesecake pose.
I mean come on.
Again, your arguments are pretty dismissive, and don't take into account that Xenoblade 2 has continued to sell, unlike those games you mentioned. It generated positive word of mouth. People like it.
I thought the Last Story was God forsakenly awful storywise.
300k desperate Jrpg fans should have also bought Lost Sphear and I am Setsuna on Switch then. Wait that don't happen.
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Indeed. Hasn't the trend for most 'niche' JRPG's been that after one month of sales they pretty much completely die? That XB2 has slowly continued to sell even in such a dry period of the year is a pretty decent accomplishment.
I think that while a 2M LTD may be a bit of a reach, Nintendo could come very close if they continue to promote the game, such as through a possible Smash appearance by Rex/Pyra and showcasing the upcoming Story DLC.
So glad to see this game continue to have success. Probably a Top 10 all time RPG in my mind. I can't wait to see what more they do with it during the final DLC releases, and then see what Takahashi and co do next, whether its Xenoblade 3 or a return to X.
I wouldn't go that far, but I don't think it's story was great either tbh
Stop trying to argue with him, he jumps into every XB2 thread to voice his opinions on the game.
If he doesn't he'll die.
And people are allowed to like it. I'm not saying they aren't. The only point I'm making is that we're at a fulcrum point where Nintendo can either learn the right lesson (put a product out at the right time, support it, respect your audience) or the wrong lesson (people bought it because waifus, so we need to double down on them even more).
They learned the wrong lesson with Fire Emblem. My concern is that they will learn the wrong lesson with Xeno.
Let me dream.
Maybe they can rerelease the game as Xenoblade 2 :Pokemon edition, would that be enough ?
Do this board a favor and don't compare everyone else to yourself.
I mean Fates sold better than Awakening by a large amount, so can you really say it was the "wrong lesson", at least from a business perspective
Maybe you should stop buying games you hate? Plenty of people enjoyed Xenoblade Chronicles 2, I'm not sure why you feel the need to continuously downplay that as 'desperation'. Desperation doesn't lead to 1 million+ sales for a JRPG, but good reception, strong word of mouth, and a quality product does.
Myself I prefer X over 2 (both great games though), but this negativity towards XB2 success baffles me.
Haha yeah obviously hyperbolic there, I really liked the gameplay and design but I just thought the story was so poor that I realized I never would play it again and just sold it but kept all the stuff like the art book and outer box that came with it.
Eh. You know that IS and Monolithsoft are two different studios, right?
IS does what it does with Fire Emblem. Monolithsoft does what it does it Xenoblade. They don't control each other's direction.
I really don't understand what you are trying to implie here.
I doubt those Deperate JRPG fans are in the 100,000 numbers.
Seems like a minor thing.
Eternal Sonata and Star Ocean 4 were good games, though :(
On the plus side (?), this is the most anyone has ever talked about Enchanted Arms, including when it originally came out.
Considering the huge sales of FE Fates and Awakening vs Echoes.
Considering how huge gacha money Fates and Awakening character bring vs Echoes character.
I would said they learn the correct lesson lol.
He is okay with boobies from DMC character while he can't stand some character like Pyra lol. Thats why he sounds like hypocrite.
People are seriously arguing that any previous Xeno (non-Blade) game would have significantly higher numbers if they had released in Europe?
Europe still isn't exactly JRPG land today, but at the time Gears and Saga were released, the market for that kind of game in Europe was borderline non-existent. So many PSOne (and to a lesser extent, PS2) JRPGS never saw an European release for damn good reason. They woulda bombed so hard.
People in the BOTW sales thread seem quite chill with accepting that non-N64 Ocarina sales aren't counted in the total sales of the game, which would probably still see OoT on top. But I'd be willing to bet that if Xenosaga did rerelease on Switch (and other consoles), some people here would be more than eager to count the sales of the rerelease in the total just to smite Xenoblade 2.
Europe still isn't exactly JRPG land today, but at the time Gears and Saga were released, the market for that kind of game in Europe was borderline non-existent. So many PSOne (and to a lesser extent, PS2) JRPGS never saw an European release for damn good reason. They woulda bombed so hard.
People in the BOTW sales thread seem quite chill with accepting that non-N64 Ocarina sales aren't counted in the total sales of the game, which would probably still see OoT on top. But I'd be willing to bet that if Xenosaga did rerelease on Switch (and other consoles), some people here would be more than eager to count the sales of the rerelease in the total just to smite Xenoblade 2.
I have regrets, and I've made mistakes out of boredom and desperation and having nothing to play. That was one of them.
I mean, that's the question, right? Did Fates sell better because Awakening was popular or did it sell better because it's full of terrible pandering?
Rah definitely played the game, which I know because he was pretty active in the OT where he failed a bunch at certain boss fights but refused to accept the advice given to him by the other people there
Yeah, they're just desperate JRPG fans who care more about masterbating than playing the game, but 'sokay, you can like it if you want.
Is "respecting your audience" a jab towards the "otaku pandering" because if this is the case then why again are the most "pandering" titles in their series the ones that sell the most?
You could make the argument, I guess, that Xenoblade 2 sold more because it's on the Switch, but Awakening and all three versions of Fates, along with Warriors and Heroes and to a lesser extent Smash and the Cipher card games, all still did better than their predecessors, even in Japan which always liked Fire Emblem, despite their "otaku pandering", which will apparently doom the franchises if it continues (even though, again, Fire Emblem is bigger than ever).
Weirdly, you insist that there's pretty much no actual difference between any of these games besides the pandering but again, the pandering games are the ones that sell? It doesn't make them accessible but they also will doom the series?
Nah to his credit he has beaten the game. But only after he was playing in a super unoptimized way because he refused to actually use the systems the game presented.
There is no meaningful difference between a character like Pyra and the character in your avatar pic. They are born from the same culture, serve the same aesthetic and design purpose (appealing to the straight male gaze) and are equally sexually objectified. You just look like a massive hypocrite when you do this.
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