I'm not here to tone police anyone. I came here to see if others were seeing what I was seeing. I don't like your accusatory tone by the way.
When i say brainwashed I mean indoctrinated t propoganda, not movie brainwashing where they completely rewrite your entire personality. Which should be pretty obvious if you actually pay attention to the context of my postsIt's a country of one billion people, each with their own hopes, dreams, feelings, sadness and happiness each, for me there would be no conceivable way to call an entire nation brainwashed, that goes for the US too.
When you see instant calls for the deportation of anyone who "supports the CCP" regardless of citizenship status on this website, it is fucking concerning considering this is the only place you can discuss this without being automatically drowned out by people calling you a chink or gook.Your only contribution to this week's discussion appears to be tone policing how people should or shouldn't criticize the Chinese government. It's a weak position, especially since Era in general has been careful not to generalize against all Chinese people. If you have a problem with how the topic is discussed elsewhere, it might be more productive to take it up on those platforms instead of grasping at straws about how we (who aren't doing the things you're upset about) still aren't meeting your nebulous standards.
I'm not here to tone police anyone. I came here to see if others were seeing what I was seeing. I don't like your accusatory tone by the way.Your only contribution to this week's discussion appears to be tone policing how people should or shouldn't criticize the Chinese government. It's a weak position, especially since Era in general has been careful not to generalize against all Chinese people. If you have a problem with how the topic is discussed elsewhere, it might be more productive to take it up on those platforms instead of grasping at straws about how we (who aren't doing the things you're upset about) still aren't meeting your nebulous standards.
Pretty much this, Chinas not ba sing sae.When i say brainwashed I mean indoctrinated t propoganda, not movie brainwashing where they completely rewrite your entire personality. Which should be pretty obvious if you actually pay attention to the context of my posts
Nobody said it was.
I'm not here to tone police anyone. I came here to see if others were seeing what I was seeing. I don't like your accusatory tone by the way.
I'm honestly a bit disheartened. I came here expecting the more open community I usually see here. I suppose on this topic it's not there.There was a post on the EtcetEra side calling for deportation of all Chinese international students. So yeah I'm seeing it.
That's insane. Was the user banned for it? But honestly when we say "nobody here is saying that" we just mean that the vast majority of the people arguing are not doing so from that position, not that literally zero people are saying it. Even here you'll get a few individual assholes, we shouldn't let them dominate the discussion thoughThere was a post on the EtcetEra side calling for deportation of all Chinese international students. So yeah I'm seeing it.
There was a post on the EtcetEra side calling for deportation of all Chinese international students. So yeah I'm seeing it.
What? where? Was this banned?There was a post on the EtcetEra side calling for deportation of all Chinese international students. So yeah I'm seeing it.
Might be better. Though misguided or just taught wrong might be better. The issue is that brainwashed is a term everyone knows that fits with what most want to say even if I personally think it's both racist and Ill fit.I said this earlier but it got missed: if the word "brainwashing" is too loaded with anti-Asian racism, "indoctrination" might be better.
When you see instant calls for the deportation of anyone who "supports the CCP" regardless of citizenship status on this website, it is fucking concerning considering this is the only place you can discuss this without being automatically drowned out by people calling you a chink or gook.
I'm not here to tone police anyone. I came here to see if others were seeing what I was seeing. I don't like your accusatory tone by the way.
Fine continue to be disingenuous. Not liking something is far from policing it.
Wow.... That's awful. I'll agree most definitely. I fear "Fuck China" could easily turn into "fuck Chinese people" or "fuck the Chinese".
This is ignoring that Canada has had a historically large Chinese population so the implication that every "thug" harassing protestors is directly mainland affiliated is incredibly racist and misguided, it's why I can't feel good about every single person shouting Fuck China over and over because to westerners we are all the goddamn same
This is ignoring that Canada has had a historically large Chinese population so the implication that every "thug" harassing protestors is directly mainland affiliated is incredibly racist and misguided, it's why I can't feel good about every single person shouting Fuck China over and over because to westerners we are all the goddamn same
I'm not mention any support of the CCP here so I don't know why you're bringing up their actions if not to discredit my own personal feelings of racism being incredibly prevelant in these discussions, as someone else has said, I do not expect westerners to tell us apart.They are supporting a genocidal fascist government. I don't agree with deportion, but let's be clear, by supporting the CCP they are supporting genocide.
I'm not mention any support of the CCP here so I don't know why you're bringing up their actions if not to discredit my own personal feelings of racism being incredibly prevelant in these discussions, as someone else has said, I do not expect westerners to tell us apart.
Fine continue to be disingenuous. Not liking something is far from policing it.
every "thug" harassing protestors is directly mainland affiliated is incredibly racist and misguided
There was a post on the EtcetEra side calling for deportation of all Chinese international students.
No it's not weird. It might seem weird if you're not fearful you'll become a target. I'll agree it's not happening much here, but why are you against me asking for opinions of others on a forum? What's so weird about that?Just a funny choice of words is all. But fine, I'm concerned that you're attempting to deflect discussion of an important topic by claiming that some people in the conversation are being racist about it. Which, yes, of course they are. Any Reddit thread about Blizzard this week has examples of that.
I think we agree that that's generally not happening here, with any offenders getting moderated appropriately. As such, it seems like a weird side of the conversation to focus on exclusively.
My apologies if I sounded annoyed. I'm just getting a bit heated at being accused of bad faith arguments in favor of the CCP, an organization I despise.The Tweet that the thread is about states mainland specifically. The owner of that tweet looks Chinese in ethnicity so I'm not sure where the racism is there?
Also that thread doesn't state anywhere that:
All I'm seeing is people wanting those that were harassing people from Hong Kong to be deported (not that I necessarily agree with that).
Wow.... That's awful. I'll agree most definitely. I fear "Fuck China" could easily turn into "fuck Chinese people" or "fuck the Chinese".
No I'm talking about the deportation rhetoric that people use here incredibly casually.The linked video clearly shows people defacing pro-HK art and harassing HK protestors. Are you arguing they are doing it for some other reason than supporting CCP?
Are we not allowed to talk about the feelings of racism and xenophobia we feel as Asians/Chinese? The inherent danger I feel the next time I see someone just write Fuck China and calling for us to be deported enmasse.Just a funny choice of words is all. But fine, I'm concerned that you're attempting to deflect discussion of an important topic by claiming that some people in the conversation are being racist about it. Which, yes, of course they are. Any Reddit thread about Blizzard this week has examples of that.
I think we agree that that's generally not happening here, with any offenders getting moderated appropriately. As such, it seems like a weird side of the conversation to focus on exclusively.
You're telling a Chinese person that they shouldn't feel like this rhetoric is racist against Chinese people, this rhetoric is mainstream press here and has been slowly building, it comes with it, the implication that every Chinese person is a secret agent of the CCP. And people there were calling for deportation regardless of citizenship status, that is insane.The Tweet that the thread is about states mainland specifically. The owner of that tweet looks Chinese in ethnicity so I'm not sure where the racism is there?
Also that thread doesn't state anywhere that:
All I'm seeing is people wanting those that were harassing people from Hong Kong to be deported (not that I necessarily agree with that).
Luckily I've already experienced hate crimes this year to this effect so the slope is quite slippery indeed!Well yeah, if the slope is that slippery, anything can be made to be frightening.
Fine then I suppose to you It's not frightening. As a Korean American adopted in the states who's never felt like he belonged in either camp maybe I'm more sensitive than usual.Well yeah, if the slope is that slippery, anything can be made to be frightening.
This is ignoring that Canada has had a historically large Chinese population so the implication that every "thug" harassing protestors is directly mainland affiliated is incredibly racist and misguided, it's why I can't feel good about every single person shouting Fuck China over and over because to westerners we are all the goddamn same
Never underestimate peoples abilities to be racist for no reason.Not that there isn't bigotry out there, but in this case it's siding with Hong Kong protesters vs Chinese government. So racist generalizations against all Asians or Chinese descent people would be very bizarre
Are we not allowed to talk about the feelings of racism and xenophobia we feel as Asians/Chinese? The inherent danger I feel the next time I see someone just write Fuck China and calling for us to be deported enmasse.
Not that there isn't bigotry out there, but in this case it's siding with Hong Kong protesters vs Chinese government. So racist generalizations against all Asians or Chinese descent people would be very bizarre
You're telling a Chinese person that they shouldn't feel like this rhetoric is racist against Chinese people, this rhetoric is mainstream press here and has been slowly building, it comes with it, the implication that every Chinese person is a secret agent of the CCP. And people there were calling for deportation regardless of citizenship status, that is insane.
Yeah as a Canadian those posts came across as really dumb and edgy.Those responses are appalling and should be reported or at least warrant a staff post. Calling for deportation is not going to fix anything and only generates fear and hatemongering.
I've been called all manner of Asian my entire life, I've been confused for both North and South Korean, Japanese, Thai, etc.Aren't you now at least being offensive by lumping all westerners together?
I'm not mention any support of the CCP here so I don't know why you're bringing up their actions if not to discredit my own personal feelings of racism being incredibly prevelant in these discussions, as someone else has said, I do not expect westerners to tell us apart.
Oh sure. Disregard everything I've said and again say I'm arguing in bad faith.You are responding to a tweet showing a video of people destroying a monument offensive to the views of the CCP. They are clearly in support of the CCP. It is not racist to judge them as such. You trying to twist this into being about you instead of them seems very disingenuous and I'm not sure this thread is in good faith. Maybe you keep hearing that because people are being mean to you, or maybe it's true.
No I'm talking about the deportation rhetoric specifically. Deporting all "CCP supporters" when this is an incredibly tenuous thing. There are plenty of western citizens who are supporters of the mainland.You are responding to a tweet showing a video of people destroying a monument offensive to the views of the CCP. They are clearly in support of the CCP. It is not racist to judge them as such. You trying to twist this into being about you instead of them seems very disingenuous and I'm not sure this thread is in good faith. Maybe you keep hearing that because people are being mean to you, or maybe it's true.
Well yeah, if the slope is that slippery, anything can be made to be frightening.
"Fuck China" means "Fuck China". It's hard to be more direct than that, my dude.Wow.... That's awful. I'll agree most definitely. I fear "Fuck China" could easily turn into "fuck Chinese people" or "fuck the Chinese".
"Fuck China" means "Fuck China". It's hard to be more direct than that, my dude.
"Fuck China" means "Fuck China". It's hard to be more direct than that, my dude.
It's that "Us vs Them" mentality. I don't think generalizations do us any good but you can't deny that the strict censorship and surveillance coming out of the Chinese Communist Party is all in order to control the way people think and the way they behave. China's lack of freedom of expression isn't really up for debate. You'd be surprised how many Chinese people think the same of the CCP and those that buy into their propaganda.
Also my thoughts on the matter."I don't hate the people, just the government. Also, fuck China"
I like how attempts to point out the xenophobia and racism we see on display and feel from the current discourse is met with accusation of shilling for the Chinese government.Seriously. This whole thread feels like a thinly veiled attempt to shut down criticism of the heinous actions of the CCP.
I apologize profusely for my future self. Please forgive him, he fell down the slippery slope and hit his head.Sorry, you're not responsible for what you say. You're responsible for what you could later say because other people have been racist in the past!