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Yasuyuki Honne (Series Director from Monolithsoft) Shares Details about Baten Kaitos III
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wow I 100% agree with you. Those 3 are my favorite JRPG series of that gen (along with Final Fantasy X). And yes I love Xenosaga II and Shadow Hearts: From the New World, too.
I agree Monolith should make a spiritual successor at this point. I really like that art style. It's time to get Honne and his crew enough people and whatever they need to develop games
Glad to hear! :)
Yeah me too, never understood the hate for Xenosaga Episode 2, especially the battle system, which was complex, interesting and rewarding!
Honne just needs to be back in the director seat. Whether it's for Baten Kaitos 3 or something else, I don't really care, but he is sorely missed in current-day Monolithsoft. Same as with Soraya Saga.
If Namco Bandai owns everything about this IP, then a BK 1+0 collection for PS4/X1/Switch shouldn't be out of the question. Considering barely anyone owned a gamecube and half of those didn't get the sequel (No PAL origins), this is such no-brainer.
assuming this would be a relatively low-cost remaster, HD up-port, that could help finance the 3rd entry.
If done right, these games could look spectacular in modern hardware
assuming this would be a relatively low-cost remaster, HD up-port, that could help finance the 3rd entry.
If done right, these games could look spectacular in modern hardware
Hopefully they still have the 2D/pre-rendered assets saved somewhere in HD quality, though.
When BandaiNamcos Harada talked about Xenosaga he said that he wants Monolithsofts involvement for an eventual project, for Baten Kaitos he would likely share a similar opinion, with obvious consequences on targeted systems.
Is there concretely a way to let Bamco know that there's still some people who really want a remaster?
I would welcome another Baten Kaitos game with open arms. The series is one of my little darlings from the GC era, warts and all. I have actually replayed the first game at least two times (Though it's already high time I revisited the second, and significantly superior, entry. Origins was incredible, even moreso in the context of the first game. It definitely helps you appreciate the first one even more.)
Yeah :/ I remember (at least here) Baten Kaitos was pretty expensive because it came in two GameCube disks. Never even got Origins. It's unfortunate. With Nintendo seemingly having some GameCube emulator that supports the Switch hardware I'd just love a simple port even to see if people would enjoy a very linear-story driven RPG like that nowadays.
well...proportional to their IPs, all games's sales on WiiU were absolutely abysmal and Nintendo is porting everything to switch not only to recoup costs but also to profit.
Another example was Okami, it's been ported to everything to get some investment back.
a collection on PS4/X1/Switch means the product would reach 3 extremely successful pieces of hardware,
in a nutshell: it would do well enough to justify the port.
it would be a perfect way to test interest on the IP before greenlighting a sequel.
Are you sure? Nintendo publishing it doesn't mean it has the rights to the IP.
I mean, was BKO developed with Nintendo money?
In the same console, by the same company, Tales of Symphonia sold like triple that Baten Kaitos.
The problem was not just the console.
Baten Kaitos always felt to me like a spiritual successor for Chrono Cross.
unfortunately, I don't think this series will have another sequel, it didn't do too well.
unfortunately, I don't think this series will have another sequel, it didn't do too well.
Aye, the first game cratered everywhere, and wasn't release in Europe. I guess Nintendo saw a hole to be filled, much like with Bayonetta 2
With Okami they started soon after its original release. Same with Nintendo ports from Wii U to Switch.
Problem is, Baten Kaitos has no legacy whatsoever. It was really a niche franchise.
Exactly, Okami is not at all the same case as Baten Kaitos. Okami, although it sold little, it had a lot of recognitions among the critics and it was a game with a lot of personality.
Nowadays almost nobody remembers Baten Kaitos and it would be difficult to justify their remaster when for the majority it would simply be '' another '' JRPG.
Today the name of the ip does not justify having to reach a deal with Bamco when you can simply make a new similar ip.
Nowadays almost nobody remembers Baten Kaitos and it would be difficult to justify their remaster when for the majority it would simply be '' another '' JRPG.
Today the name of the ip does not justify having to reach a deal with Bamco when you can simply make a new similar ip.
I am not saying it wasn't a flop and that it would instantly be a success if ported to all 3 current consoles but I think the environment is healthy enough to take the risk.
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles for GCN really had no business being brought back to life, at all. It has great production values but gameplay was slammed back in the day and yet SE thinks there's business opportunity.
a 85 metacritic could do wonders for it too.
but didn't Namco Bandai publish Origins it in Japan?? Did Sega publish Bayonetta too? (serious question, I don't know)
The original Baten Kaitos is one of those games where I took a long break while playing and I came back and I didn't know what to do... and I seem to remember it took use of the Gamecube's internal clock and decayed a lot of my items.
I remember getting to one of the major twists, but not sure how much further past I got.
Anyways, definitely a game they should re-release or remaster for everything they can. I think it could do well on Steam + Switch at the very least.
I remember getting to one of the major twists, but not sure how much further past I got.
Anyways, definitely a game they should re-release or remaster for everything they can. I think it could do well on Steam + Switch at the very least.
Final Fantasy CC is a game that benefits immensely from the online and sold like five or six times more than Baten Kaitos, in addition the name Final Fantasy has much more value than Baten Kaitos.
It makes a lot more sense.
Remastering the games for all systems with the intention of building interest for a new entry would put them in an odd position.
They would rather have to make the new game unavailable to most possible of the system s the remasters release on or have the new game developed by a total different developer.(well I guess Tri-Crescendo would be available)
They would rather have to make the new game unavailable to most possible of the system s the remasters release on or have the new game developed by a total different developer.(well I guess Tri-Crescendo would be available)
Releasing a sequel over a decade after the last game failed miserably in the marketplace seems like a recipe for disaster. Probably just better off creating a new ip with all the principal people involved like Yasuyuki Honne (Monolithsoft), Motoi Sakuraba (composer), Masato Kato (writer), and Hiroya Hatsushiba (Tri-Crescendo). Plus that way you don't need Bandai Namco so sign off on the project.
I loved the original but never got around to playing Origins. It did very much feel like the heir successor to Chrono Cross aesthetically though.
That said, I do remember Baten Kaitos being the first game I had to disable English voice acting for. It was grating, and to this day I'm not sure why it was such a step down from the English voice acting from the trailer and Japanese version.
And then the retail release hit...
That said, I do remember Baten Kaitos being the first game I had to disable English voice acting for. It was grating, and to this day I'm not sure why it was such a step down from the English voice acting from the trailer and Japanese version.
And then the retail release hit...
I hope you're joking because that first video's voice acting is 100x worse
Building on an existing IP is preferable, problem with Baten Kaitos is it was dormant for a decade and never reached a wide audience in the past, its name beeing very exotic also didn't help but at the same time it's also quite unique. Biggest problem is BandaiNamco owns the IP but that's a solveable problem, as seen with Bayonetta and Fatal Frame. At the very least considering the RPG audience nowadays and Monolithsoft beeing at its height in popularity would help in generating interest in a new Baten Kaitos game.
Problem is why would Nintendo pay Bamco for using the IP when they've got the developer?
The only reason you would do that is if the IP can attract a lot of buyers.
I would be fine if Monolith creates a spiritual successor with Honne as the art director.
This. This is literally all they have to do and create a spiritual successor.
Well Monolithsoft were making games for Bamco as recently as 2015. That's without mentioning how close Nintendo and Bamco are in general.
WHAT !?
God damn, I'm so sad now...
It's not good, it's amazing. The only thing wrong about it is the English dub. Try it again ;)
BKO was never published in Europe though :P
God damn, I'm so sad now...
It's not good, it's amazing. The only thing wrong about it is the English dub. Try it again ;)
BKO was never published in Europe though :P
I believe it was exactly the other way around. The second video is from the original trailer and predates the sync in the first video. You're kinda still right though in that they redubbed the trailer/opening for the worse
exactly!
This is really sad. I would love a new one. Even if they never make a BK3 though, or a spritual successor, I would just like to see Honne directing games again.
It's a good RPG with bad English VA. Baten Kaitos Origins is the better game though, and actually has great English VA. It's one of my favorite RPG series in general.
It's a good RPG with bad English VA. Baten Kaitos Origins is the better game though, and actually has great English VA. It's one of my favorite RPG series in general.
At the same time, if it had great appeal, it would be even harder to get hold of the IP. I agree that Nintendo won't see any financial benefit from going after this IP, because they would need the same marketing push and start at almost the same point as they would for a wholy owned spiritual successor anyway.
It's more a matter of building an ongoing IP that is connected to Monolithsofts past and Honne obviously caring about Baten Kaitos is good enough reason to me, simply from a fans point of view, rather than actual financial viability. Because Monolithsoft, Honne in particular, really is the only involved company/person from whom the initiative can come from at this point.
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I played undubbed version too! :(
I'll try ou Origins though, that seems to be better receieved.
BK was released in EU. It's BKO that didn't get that chance.
Maybe this series isn't for you then :P It's probably my favorite of that generation.
I don't really see the point of a spiritual successor. As long as there are no extenuating circumstances with the IP rights and Bamco owns them fully and completely, then the transfer or licencing of them to Nintendo should be a trivial matter for both sides. Bamco would be foolish to require any significant payment or licencing deal given how worthless the IP is at this point to them and Nintendo would be foolish to try and do a runaround of Bamco's owning of the IP by creating a spiritual successor just to save a few extra bucks they'd have to pay them.
In addition to that I just don't see what the appeal of a spiritual successor is to the average consumer. So few have experience the original games that relying on the cult following to help build hype for a spiritual successor seems almost next to worthless. In my mind creating remasters of the first two games is key to any revival effort. While there is a fervent cult following of the original series, it's super small and I'm skeptical of what value that offers if they were just to produce a spiritual successor. Great a few people will rave about the original games which at that point have no direct connection to this new title. Not to mention access to those titles is basically impossible for most people who may have interest in visiting them ahead of the spiritual successor and any that do provides no actual profit for Nintendo.
By moving forward with or at least exploring a true sequel you can use the remasters to help generate and/or test the interest in the series for a relatively low cost and actually capitalize on the cult following the game has. A large number of fans will rebuy them and their glowing remarks about the series will actually have some weight to them as others will actually have the means and opportunity to play the games on a modern device for a relatively cheap price.
Personally I think announcing a sequel and then leading into that with a remaster of the first two games would be the best course of action as you'll likely get a decent number of people interested in experiencing the original games before the new one, which should be a relatively easy profit for Nintendo to turn with minimal effort. If you just release the original games to test the waters for a potential sequel I don't think they'll generate as much interest, but should still be worthwhile given the strength of the Switch as a market place and Monolith as a developer are both pretty high right now.
In addition to that I just don't see what the appeal of a spiritual successor is to the average consumer. So few have experience the original games that relying on the cult following to help build hype for a spiritual successor seems almost next to worthless. In my mind creating remasters of the first two games is key to any revival effort. While there is a fervent cult following of the original series, it's super small and I'm skeptical of what value that offers if they were just to produce a spiritual successor. Great a few people will rave about the original games which at that point have no direct connection to this new title. Not to mention access to those titles is basically impossible for most people who may have interest in visiting them ahead of the spiritual successor and any that do provides no actual profit for Nintendo.
By moving forward with or at least exploring a true sequel you can use the remasters to help generate and/or test the interest in the series for a relatively low cost and actually capitalize on the cult following the game has. A large number of fans will rebuy them and their glowing remarks about the series will actually have some weight to them as others will actually have the means and opportunity to play the games on a modern device for a relatively cheap price.
Personally I think announcing a sequel and then leading into that with a remaster of the first two games would be the best course of action as you'll likely get a decent number of people interested in experiencing the original games before the new one, which should be a relatively easy profit for Nintendo to turn with minimal effort. If you just release the original games to test the waters for a potential sequel I don't think they'll generate as much interest, but should still be worthwhile given the strength of the Switch as a market place and Monolith as a developer are both pretty high right now.