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You technically shouldn't be able to see your enemies whilst in cover in TPS games, how about making an AAA game that adheres to this logic?
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What is the point of having a third person point of view in a third person shooter if we only see what the first person sees?
edit : I agree that TPSs need a little boost in creativity, I'm not sure that what the player is able to see is it, though. Stuff like Control might be a better angle imho
edit : I agree that TPSs need a little boost in creativity, I'm not sure that what the player is able to see is it, though. Stuff like Control might be a better angle imho
I mean, if the idea is that the character shouldn't be able to see enemies because he's behind a wall and neither should I, then I shouldn't be able to see his back either :D
I understand what you're saying, but I don't think gameplay would work good if that existed. TLOU tries stuff like that, and it kinda needs of "hearing mode" to compensate.
I understand what you're saying, but I don't think gameplay would work good if that existed. TLOU tries stuff like that, and it kinda needs of "hearing mode" to compensate.
I mean, games always have conceits. I shouldn't theoretically be able to patch-up multiple gunshot wounds with the contents of a basic first-aid kit, but I can and do in video games all the time. This is why it's called a 'game' rather than a 'sim' - there's an implied suspension of disbelief just like with most other forms of media entertainment.
I don't think that's true. A lot of realistic features would be counter to the central appeal of the medium and make not just for a less 'convenient' game, but one that has sacrificed its core appeal for the sake of (poorly) simulating a real-world that we already have access to. To me, the best games are the ones that rejoice in what they are.
I don't think that's true. A lot of realistic features would be counter to the central appeal of the medium and make not just for a less 'convenient' game, but one that has sacrificed its core appeal for the sake of (poorly) simulating a real-world that we already have access to. To me, the best games are the ones that rejoice in what they are.
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I coulda swore this was just standard in HLDM in servers where third person was enabled. You'd still see the rest of the world fine, but if the angle of your player was such that, in first person you couldn't see them, they'd just be invisible in third.
OP isn't saying it should be a hard rule, just throwing it out as a potential gameplay mechanic.
OP isn't saying it should be a hard rule, just throwing it out as a potential gameplay mechanic.
I'm sure this occurred to at least one developer who pitched it and got immediately shut down.
We have limited control and sensory as our in-game characters, we can't react as fast as we would in real life, we also have less awareness of the surroundings than we would in real life due to not being in the moment, so stuff like this is supposed to level the field.
Also it just wouldn't be fun.
We have limited control and sensory as our in-game characters, we can't react as fast as we would in real life, we also have less awareness of the surroundings than we would in real life due to not being in the moment, so stuff like this is supposed to level the field.
Also it just wouldn't be fun.
I guess a camera drone following you and vr goggles would do it.
Then some people really would learn how to cause violence in the real world OP, and the government will just further continue to hone in on the notion of games actually teaching people how to kill or something.
It takes alot out of the game when you can plan your whole strategy before your character even enters the room.
PUBG-Era would tell you it's irrelevant being able to literally see people in a room behind a corner before they have a chance to see you
Could be fun in a tactical shooter. Need to use tech (folding gun camera, mirrors, deployable cameras, vision modes, etc) and destructible environments to gain an advantage
R6 classic and Door Kickers turned that idea into the entire game. It's worked before
I like it! Reminds me of Paradroid 90 on the Amiga 500, top-down view and no enemies were shown until you went around the corners.
TPS are putting yourself more in the role of a director/coach. I think that's the main reason shifting from 1st to 3rd person view.
Not seeing the surroundings and enemies just because your player takes cover is limiting the game more then putting creativity in. You could zoom in whenever being in cover, but that feels wrong to me.
Not seeing the surroundings and enemies just because your player takes cover is limiting the game more then putting creativity in. You could zoom in whenever being in cover, but that feels wrong to me.
It could work in a horror game perhaps, but even then it's not clear to me what the advantage would be over a first-person view. I can't help but imagine having a third person camera tight to the player with a narrow field of view would be the worst of all worlds.
brb going to patent office
Doesn't work for me.
Maybe give Nathan Drake a little mirror he can use to see in a room that only works 32% of the time to spot one guard.
Well obviously it wouldn't work or make sense in an fast-paced third person shooter like Uncharted
You'd have to design the entire game around the concept and it would probably have to be a tactical shooter based around using your ability to extend your vision and gain knowledge of a room and where enemies are into a strategic planning tool
So basically Rainbow Six and SWAT
The OP does say imagine Uncharted or GoW with these mechanics. I doubt people are against it in appropriate franchises.
Instead of terrible blur (which we all hate) you could solve the problem by having the camera zoom close to your character's back when you move slowly close to a wall. Then you would have to move very close to the corner to take a peak, and then it feels more realistic.
In case you have trouble imagining how it looks like, basically the character you're moving has a big ray tracing flashlight. Then it fades out into a blur instead of black darkness (peripheral vision). To compensate our environmental memory, I'd say everything else should be blurred instead of fading into a monotone color (because it's unfair to have a more difficult environmental memory when you are also moving the third person character around in 3D space). If you want to get funky, everything you 'flashed with your flashlight' is in a memory slowly fading, but new moving objects are not in memory.
Yeah, I agree with this. Not sure I understand the real difference between what the OP is proposing and an FPS.
Real world accuracy doesn't always translate to a good game experience. No need to map everything 1:1.
Why not? Don't know till you try. Could be fun to have an ultra realistic third person sim so to speak, that zooms in real close and depth of field blurs out what you shouldn't be able to see, and has damage and destruction that's hyper realistic. That said I honestly feel what you're asking is simply better suited to first person view.
Nah I love this in these games because the convenience is far too great for me to pause and question it.
Also it's arguably part of the "power fantasy" that almost all of these games go for and it makes me feel like I got hacks lol
Also it's arguably part of the "power fantasy" that almost all of these games go for and it makes me feel like I got hacks lol
If you want to limit the player to just what the character can see, just go first person.
I wouldn't say you're drunk though, back in the days of Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Thief: Deadly Shadows, much of the original Deus Ex and Thief communities were against the inclusion of third person as they considered it a cheat.
I quite like the third-person cover system of first person games like the last two Deus Ex games, but the reverse just sounds tedious.
I wouldn't say you're drunk though, back in the days of Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Thief: Deadly Shadows, much of the original Deus Ex and Thief communities were against the inclusion of third person as they considered it a cheat.
I quite like the third-person cover system of first person games like the last two Deus Ex games, but the reverse just sounds tedious.
I wonder if would be possible to use something like a google glass with a camera drone at your back to simulate over the shoulder perspective irl. It could actually be useful in real combat lmao
If something like this existed, the user would actually have a clear sight through the walls as well.
I think you're right for most games/genres but not all of them.
Trying to reach realism is the core appeal of a lot of games. Racing simulators are the obvious examples but that's also the case with a lot of shooters.
If anything, the seek for more realism is kinda what justifies new consoles, of course with visuals being the main attraction. Beyond the graphics, next gen talk is always about enemies being smarter or the player feeling better the weight of a weapon, dunno. Of course some people want the closest a game can be from simulating reality, or atleast they think they want.
I kinda don't care about realism tbh. Was a big fan of Gran Turismo in the PS1 era but couldn't get into the third game on PS2 because it felt just too real, in a boring way.
If something like this existed, the user would actually have a clear sight through the walls as well.
I think you're right for most games/genres but not all of them.
Trying to reach realism is the core appeal of a lot of games. Racing simulators are the obvious examples but that's also the case with a lot of shooters.
If anything, the seek for more realism is kinda what justifies new consoles, of course with visuals being the main attraction. Beyond the graphics, next gen talk is always about enemies being smarter or the player feeling better the weight of a weapon, dunno. Of course some people want the closest a game can be from simulating reality, or atleast they think they want.
I kinda don't care about realism tbh. Was a big fan of Gran Turismo in the PS1 era but couldn't get into the third game on PS2 because it felt just too real, in a boring way.
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Nah, OP might be onto something new here. A viewpoint where you can only see what your character can see...
have a drone follow you from a TPS angle and feed the video into a VR headset. Bingo!