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"You told me to..." Body-Cam Footage Released of the Shooting of Danquirs Franklin by a CMPD Officer

Oct 31, 2017
1,799
#1
Video of the incident.

This shooting occurred last month in a Charlotte, North Carolina Burger King's parking lot.

Kerl and the other officer continue yelling at Franklin to drop his weapon. Altogether, they yell commands like "drop the gun" or "put it on the ground" at least 24 times. Franklin's left hand is between his legs, and you can't see his right hand from the video.

The video shows Franklin move his right hand with what appears to be a gun. He does not aim it at the officers. It appears the butt of the gun is facing the passenger, with the barrel pointed at Franklin. Kerl fires her weapon twice, striking him. He appears to yell, "you told me to" while officers continue to command him to put down the gun.
A judge had ordered the footage to be released last week. Several city officials earlier today had press conference earlier before the footage was released. Protests are being planned.
 
Apr 9, 2019
147
CLT
#3
This is in my town. Down the street from where I live. It occurred a mere two days after a famous local restaurant fired a black man for being a communist and allegedly Antifa (he was, but all of this was conjecture thrown at the restaurant by a local extremist group called Deplorable Pride) and called him in to the shop just to publicly humiliate him by having CMPD escort him out "for the safety of his patrons and employees."

I'm fairly involved with local politics. Things are pretty scary right now. We're known as a "democratic bubble" in a sea of red, but especially adding in the ICE raids over the last three months and a noticeable increase in police activity all over town and particularly in the hood where I live things are beginning to feel like we're under siege.

The RNC is here next year. It's gonna be apocalyptic.
 
Oct 26, 2017
392
Knoxville, TN
#5
Kerl, perceiving a "lethal threat," fired her gun, striking Franklin. He was taken to the hospital, where he later died.
That video was an execution. Zero real attempt to deescalate the situation that they immediately created upon hopping out of their squad cars with guns pointed. Shouted, conflicting orders while surrounding the guy guns drawn. He was completely surrounded and on his knees, surely there were multiple non-lethal options if you're not even going to try to end the matter peacefully. I can't even imagine what was going through his mind there.

This still tells you all you need to know:
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,658
#9
That video was an execution. Zero real attempt to deescalate the situation that they immediately created upon hopping out of their squad cars with guns pointed. Shouted, conflicting orders while surrounding the guy guns drawn. He was completely surrounded and on his knees, surely there were multiple non-lethal options if you're not even going to try to end the matter peacefully. I can't even imagine what was going through his mind there.

This still tells you all you need to know:
I'm having a hard time parsing this situation in my head due to the circumstances, but this is one thing that keeps sticking in my mind. I know one thing, and that's that having 3 or 4 people yelling orders at someone from all directions with guns drawn is probably the least effective way to get a calm and measured response from someone and it creates an environment where the cops are also going to be more likely to react (to anything) in a non-calm or measured way as well. Current police training is terrible and it's literally killing people. De-escalation needs to be emphasized more.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,258
Italy
#10
I don't know the story here but why that guy acts so strangely? Why he had a gun in first place and why he didn't seem receptive?
The cop was so scared that just killed him before there was an actual threat so he must be accountable for that, still I don't understand the behavior of the victim and how little he has done to avoid any misunderstanding.
 
Oct 25, 2017
566
#11
I'm having a hard time parsing this situation in my head due to the circumstances, but this is one thing that keeps sticking in my mind. I know one thing, and that's that having 3 or 4 people yelling orders at someone from all directions with guns drawn is probably the least effective way to get a calm and measured response from someone and it creates an environment where the cops are also going to be more likely to react (to anything) in a non-calm or measured way as well. Current police training is terrible and it's literally killing people. De-escalation needs to be emphasized more.
For real when has a crowd of people screaming resulted in the deescalation of any emergency situation?
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,708
#13
Basically what I saw here was he had a gun (which apparently in USA is legal).

The Police have their weapons pointed at him, obviously with the intent to shoot at any moment. He proceeds to drop the weapon, and they just shoot him anyway .. ?
What the fuck...
 
Jan 11, 2018
1,155
#14
Don't go on the Charlotte subreddit. I'm not prone to using the term, but those fucks are a bunch of bootlickers.

If there's any doubt he was complying with their orders to put the gun on the ground, here's a still of the man immediately before he was shot, holding the slide of the gun with the muzzle pointing away from the officers and the passenger.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,093
#15
I don't know the story here but why that guy acts so strangely? Why he had a gun in first place and why he didn't seem receptive?
The cop was so scared that just killed him before there was an actual threat so he must be accountable for that, still I don't understand the behavior of the victim and how little he has done to avoid any misunderstanding.
LOL, bunch of cops with guns drawn fingers on the triggers (known to kill people for looking at them) screaming at this guy and you're wondering why he's acting strangely? He's scared for his life, man.
 
#17
This isn't right man. When will this shit stop?

I see no way out for anyone of color getting out alive from these psychos.

There literally has to be a body that overlooks cops and the agency. Fuck the cop union or whatever. There needs to be a regulating body holding these killers accountable.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,258
Italy
#19
LOL, bunch of cops with guns drawn fingers on the triggers (known to kill people for looking at them) screaming at this guy and you're wondering why he's acting strangely? He's scared for his life, man.
He has a gun on him, this shouldn't be a normal situation... he was there for a reason, someone call the cops for a reason.
Do you know it? I don't, just talking about a "scared man" seems highly reductive.
 
Oct 30, 2017
3,321
#24
Multiple screaming voices, often with conflicting orders. Probably best to just do nothing at all. Not even blink. Maybe you have higher survival chances. Complying clearly doesn't work.

It's insane how trigger happy the US police is. Probably what you get for 6 week of training.

In many countries becoming a police officer means 3 years of practical training and various tests.
 
Oct 22, 2018
3,820
#25
It's insane how trigger happy the US police is. Probably what you get for 6 week of training.
And an important part of that training is that if you shoot someone you can say you felt your life was threatened in that moment and precedent makes that a valid defense in court. Like the people who train these guys go just short of saying to them "You can do this and you'll go to court but get off. Plus, mandatory paid vacation!"

Anyway wonder if we'll get those "but my sister-in-law's cousin's oldest son is a cop! how dare you" commenters in here (no I don't, I'm sure they'll skip this thread)
 
Oct 28, 2017
866
#28
I don't know the story here but why that guy acts so strangely? Why he had a gun in first place and why he didn't seem receptive?
The cop was so scared that just killed him before there was an actual threat so he must be accountable for that, still I don't understand the behavior of the victim and how little he has done to avoid any misunderstanding.
wow
 
Oct 25, 2017
16,203
#29
I don't know the story here but why that guy acts so strangely? Why he had a gun in first place and why he didn't seem receptive?
The cop was so scared that just killed him before there was an actual threat so he must be accountable for that, still I don't understand the behavior of the victim and how little he has done to avoid any misunderstanding.
Fuck off with this.
 
Oct 25, 2017
11,660
Terana
#31
they "feared for their lives." Assuming this ever goes to trial, that's all juries will need to hear, regardless of what the video shows, and nothing will happen. We've seen it too many times to expect anything different. American cops have a license to kill, basically.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,258
Italy
#34
Yeah, wow indeed... this is what happen when you normalize going around with a gun for no reason.

As I said, even if the victim was doing something wrong (like a robber) the cop just used excess of violence, it's lampant, but normalize the act to have a gun in your pocket and going in a burger king with it is extremely disturbing to me.

I guess this is just the norm for people lining live in USA.
 
Oct 28, 2017
866
#35
Yeah, wow indeed... this is what happen when you normalize going around with a gun for no reason.

As I said, even if the victim was doing something wrong (like a robber) the cop just used excess of violence, it's lampant, but normalize the act to have a gun in your pocket and going in a burger king with it is extremely disturbing to me.

I guess this is just the norm for people lining live in USA.
wow
 
#36
So i don't understand why couldn't one office have a taser ready and the back up office with his weapon low ready? Yes he has a weapon but he didn't seem like a threat.
Very unfortunate event and the dude didn't deserve to get killed.
 
Oct 25, 2017
16,203
#37
So i don't understand why couldn't one office have a taser ready and the back up office with his weapon low ready? Yes he has a weapon but he didn't seem like a threat.
Very unfortunate event and the dude didn't deserve to get killed.
Because scumfuck American cops are trained and deluded into believing they are an occupying army in the middle of a war zone.
 
Oct 27, 2017
5,297
#38
This pisses me off, a thread like this on a horrible injustice that has happened to a race and will continue will barely make it off the first page but a burning building in France and art is doing so many pages.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,258
Italy
#39
Yeah, we get it, you like to not listen and to be just enraged, you are quite good at it.

So i don't understand why couldn't one office have a taser ready and the back up office with his weapon low ready? Yes he has a weapon but he didn't seem like a threat.
Very unfortunate event and the dude didn't deserve to get killed.
Yes, I think that they just needed to tell him to puts hands in the air slowly and then approach him and slowly arrest (for future investigation).

Ask him to pick the gun and put it down sounds crazy to me... is that even the protocol?
Really, just let him show you the hands so he can't be a treat to any of you.

What a bunch of bad cops :/
 
Oct 22, 2018
3,820
#40
they "feared for their lives." Assuming this ever goes to trial, that's all juries will need to hear, regardless of what the video shows, and nothing will happen. We've seen it too many times to expect anything different. American cops have a license to kill, basically.
Again this is information they get explicitly as part of training.
 
Oct 27, 2017
15
#41
Yeah, wow indeed... this is what happen when you normalize going around with a gun for no reason.

As I said, even if the victim was doing something wrong (like a robber) the cop just used excess of violence, it's lampant, but normalize the act to have a gun in your pocket and going in a burger king with it is extremely disturbing to me.

I guess this is just the norm for people lining live in USA.
I'm going to assume that you're not a United States citizen.

We have a thing called the 2nd Amendment which allows people to own personal firearms. It's complicated, in that only over the past few decades has it been opened up the way it has, but regardless, plenty of United States citizens can legally own firearms. We even have concealed carry licences that allow people to carry weapons, concealed, wherever they go so long as the establishment does not have it posted that weapons are not allowed. Which, truthfully, isn't the case everywhere.

So, it's perfectly normal, in the United States, for a random person to have a firearm, on their person, concealed, going into a Burger King.

What this cop did is at best manslaughter and should be prosecuted as such.
 
Oct 25, 2017
578
#42
So i don't understand why couldn't one office have a taser ready and the back up office with his weapon low ready? Yes he has a weapon but he didn't seem like a threat.
Very unfortunate event and the dude didn't deserve to get killed.
Because there is nothing scarier to a cop than a black man who does, or might have, a gun.

Doesn't matter how many officers are aiming their own guns.
Doesn't matter what position the black man is in.
Doesn't matter if the gun is even on his person.

Their fear will always be telling them it's still possible for him to get the gun and kill them so they have to kill him first.
 
May 17, 2018
2,095
#43
This isn't right man. When will this shit stop?

I see no way out for anyone of color getting out alive from these psychos.

There literally has to be a body that overlooks cops and the agency. Fuck the cop union or whatever. There needs to be a regulating body holding these killers accountable.
There is, but it shares same ideals.
 
Oct 28, 2017
3,373
#44
I don't know the story here but why that guy acts so strangely? Why he had a gun in first place and why he didn't seem receptive?
The cop was so scared that just killed him before there was an actual threat so he must be accountable for that, still I don't understand the behavior of the victim and how little he has done to avoid any misunderstanding.
 
Oct 25, 2017
370
#45
He was dead as soon as the police arrived. There's not a lot a black man can do in that situation. So long as he's armed, he pretty much can't move at all without being shot. Hell, he could've had nothing on him and the same thing would've happened. If the cop even thinks he poses a threat, he's dead.