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YouGov: A majority of Conservative Party members would rather ruin the economy, the union and their own party than cancel Brexit
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Saw this earlier and was taken aback.
One of the positives I can take from that, is that if Labour suddenly start storming it in the polls (on a consistent basis) then hey, there might be a shift because of how scary Corbyn is to them.
How they do that, is anyone's guess.
One of the positives I can take from that, is that if Labour suddenly start storming it in the polls (on a consistent basis) then hey, there might be a shift because of how scary Corbyn is to them.
How they do that, is anyone's guess.
Yeah I had a feeling someone was gonna say something like this after I posted it, I'm sure you know what I meant
I feel like a lot of Brits would pause and think for a while if you asked them "Brexit but it destroys the Torys"
I know what you meant, but there's a difference between liberals and social democrats. This is UK, where many labour party members would view the US Democrats as conservatives.
Corbyns stance on Brexit seems to be doing a great job in getting brexiters to like him doesn't it
Of course the labels are different, but the phenomenon of the right doing harmful and self destructive things to 'own' the other side is transatlantic.
I don't see what room a party that has a teensy problem with anti-Semitism, has a leader who has used right-wing rhetoric on immigration, and that embraced austerity in the wake of the Great Recession has to call the Democrats - pro-choice, pro-LGBT, pro-stimulus, and at least center-left even by international standards - conservative. But I guess I'm not enlightened and European enough to understand.
Anyway, LBJ's quote about racism proves true even in the UK. As long as they can hurt the people they hate, they don't care if it destroys the country or their own economic security. Their status matters even more than anything, even if they're kings of a scrap heap.
Isn't this the exact reason the UK (and the greater Commonwealth as a whole) still has the Queen as their head of state.
I feel like most monarchists have thrown around the sitting Monarch being some sort of rarely used bi-partisan nuclear-option seat of sober-second-thought who has a vested interest in the good governance of their nation as a plus-side of having a Monarchy style government compared to having the position be a form of elected governance.
I feel like most monarchists have thrown around the sitting Monarch being some sort of rarely used bi-partisan nuclear-option seat of sober-second-thought who has a vested interest in the good governance of their nation as a plus-side of having a Monarchy style government compared to having the position be a form of elected governance.
There's actually a lot of leftists and leftist parties in Europe that are against EU due to they want their country to control immigration. The statement by Corbyn is, in my observations when it comes to EU and immigration, shared by a lot of leftist parties.
It's kinda weird, for example in my country of Norway, the left is against EU, while the right is either yes to EU or "whatever the people want".
Like this from the article:
Is a common thought in European left, well at least Scandinavia left, according to my observations.
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A lot of those "leftist" parties aren't very progressive and have a racist as fuck base.
Yep.
Economically progressive... as long as the benefits go to the white majority only.
It really comes down to this. Set the whole world on fire so the other guy doesn't win.
What I find most mind boggling from that is they'd (marginally) rather hang onto the basket case that is Northern Ireland over Scotland.
They are very progressive and I have never seen any sign of racism among Norwegian leftis parties or Swedish leftist parties for example. So if you can show me something that changes my mind on that, go ahead.
Do you even know what you are talking about? Are we talking about the same thing?
Im talking about Scandinavian leftist parties who are against EU, but are very progressive, economically and socially progressive.
I know this because I am Norwegian.
You said in your own damn post that many of them want to "control immigration." Whose immigration do you think they've been objecting to?
Yes, for a lot of them the mindset is "universal healthcare and unemployment benefits for me but not for thee," where "thee" typically refers to people who aren't lily-white.
There's a lot of why for example Norwegian leftists wants to control immigration, here are one that explains it way better than me:
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4 reasons for why Norway should say no to EU
Social dumping
The leaders of the scandinavian social democratic parties says that EUs freedom of movement resutls in social dumping
So, if you're a leftist you have to what, reject borders entirely? Not believe in the concept of a sovereign nation?
Absolutely you can. Every country controls immigration, some less than others, some more than others. It's also about who is gonna control immigration. The country by it's people and politicians, or some other people in another country,
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That won't work because those people would only join Farage and the Brexit party. Those party members fear them even more than Labour.
To be fair, there's a stark difference between wanting to control immigration because you just don't want certain people, and believing that controlled measures benefit the wider populace.
Entirely dependent on context and the justification for said policy.
Every country controls immigration, for reasons beyond a right wing boogeyman.
From my observation, a big (I assume the biggest) reason for why the left here wants to control immigration is due to social dumping and everything surrounding it (link in a post of mine above if you want to read about it).
It's safe to say that these people have their finances tied up in areas that would benefit from brexit. They will gleefully drive an entire country off a cliff to line their own pockets.
I hope we can get independence as I see no end in sight to this insanity.
I hope we can get independence as I see no end in sight to this insanity.
How is it right-wing if it also being used by the left-wing? How is it not left-wing, but also being used by the right-wing? Does one wing have to own it?
A wise man once said people would rather die than to actually live up to their own beliefs.
Apparently, the loophole is when your beliefs are all about hatred for others. Then, even dying is a cost worth paying.
Fucking. Incredible. The cognitive dissonance needed to act this stupid and wreckless is beyond anything I ever could have foreseen 20 years ago.
If humanity had been this in tune with their hate during the 50s at the height of the cold war, we'd all most certainly be dead and the planet irradiated for hundreds of years past now. We need to grow our fucking character back. As is, this shit seems like a sorry race to the bottom.
All the more reason to join the Lib Dems.
I'm planning to myself next month when Boris inevitably becomes PM. This was never a contest because no matter who the final two are, the party members were always going to pick Boris.
I'm planning to myself next month when Boris inevitably becomes PM. This was never a contest because no matter who the final two are, the party members were always going to pick Boris.