What should the EU be? | YouGov
A major YouGov study of citizens in 13 member countries looks at attitudes to the EU
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YouGov Poll: Who would EU countries be willing to help in a major crisis?
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Huh. Where's the distaste for Japan and Vietnam come from?
Also, why does Finland dislike India... and a bunch of others?
Also, why does Finland dislike India... and a bunch of others?
The entire poll is done in the context of the EU. So EU members are less interested in helping non-EU members. It's not supposed to gauge any inherent distaste in the countries involved but rather the difference in beliefs amongst the EU members on how the EU should operate.
A 0 would mean an equally number of people support and don't support financial aid.
Fuck yeah Netherlands, Canada's always got your back too. Also lol Finland...they don't want to help anyone except their immediate neighbors.
I guess my American is showing with lack of understanding :(
Thanks for the clarification
I wonder what the specific affinity for Italy/Spain/Portugal is versus other "well-regarded" countries like the Netherlands or Sweden. Popular vacation spots? Generally poorer/lower standard of living but "Western" enough to be deserving unlike the Hungarians/Romanians who are too "other"?
The poll was conducted right around the peak of coronavirus in Europe so that might be affecting the Italy numbers.
The poll was conducted right around the peak of coronavirus in Europe so that might be affecting the Italy numbers.
Turns out the Dutch and the Germans (as well as Germans and Austrians, at least as far as it is discernible from this poll) really do like each other, huh?
The dislike for Hungary could just as easily be rooted in its current government and numerous reports over the last few months that most EU aids are actually going to Orban and his ilk.
To what, though? I mean, the UK is below Nigeria, Vietnam, India, and Japan.
Are you talking about the countries on the side? Because those are the ones others are most willing to help. Spain is the most willing to help as well, but it's followed by Poland, Denmark, Romania, and Germany.
Hmm this is quite interesting...Not sure what to make of some of this...Would need to see a more in depth analysis, but think there might be some complex dynamics at play here. Particularly interesting with Finland, considering the generally praised state of Finnish education. Are more people thinking quote on quote pragmatically?
Why would the UK, a country that voted to leave EU, be above this countries? The reasoning for UK to be so low is obvious, how can you explain why Colombia is so low?
This is completely anecdotal on my part from my time here but Finns seem to have a weird bootstrap mentality which I'd venture stems from their war and post-war reconstruction experience. "We never got handouts and we paid reparations to the Russians"
I don't trust this poll at all, and the x and y axis should be flipped.
Also: ten countries of 26 members polled makes for a very skewed presentation
Also: ten countries of 26 members polled makes for a very skewed presentation
Why would EU nations want to help Asian countries financially? Doesn't make any sense from face value, they're not geographically, politically or culturally related.
Having lived in Finland, I'd echo this, most Finns are quick to remind that Finland was the only country to pay their war reparations in full and w/o complaint, their particular Cold War experience of being in 'the middle' , you can also see it in their absurd trust in their own military. It's also in tension with their relatively hightrust in EU institutions in comparison to other countries, which you can see in the full survey results.
Interesting that France would prefer to see the US as hegemon rather than EU lol. Raises some questions about sample and methodology. Perhaps it was an internet panel?
It's odd alright considering the amount who live here.
Other than the UK Denmark is most willing to help Ireland. Can't think of a reason why.
Ugh. As a Finn believing in solidarity and strong, unified EU, the results look particularly shameful for us. I'd want to check the sample size for Finland. I've seen some studies claiming they are representative on EU level, yet interviewed only a handful of Finns so. There's a link to the data but I wasn't able to open it, if anyone manages, let us know.
But anyway, I wonder what can be said about the results. I think in general, since the financial crisis, there's been a perception, seen in papers etc. that we, who perceive "always doing things properly financially", ie. not having too much debt etc. are getting pumped for dry in the EU by the southern states, ie. always being on the giving, not receiving end. With strict lockdown mentality (at least still during when this survey was done), we've done pretty well with the pandemic, so perhaps some people responding this are thinking along the lines "now those Southern countries who just party at the beach messed up again and we are going to pay again". Like this mentality of "we're already a very small, very poor country but doing ok thanks to ourselves enduring some hardships so why should we give more money to some countries with population many times of us we don't feel that connected to". I don't personally agree, but it's a narrative I've seen thrown around by some people.. I wonder how the question was framed too. I think if the question would emphasize the financial aid given would be somehow relative to our size and others, ie. would somehow balance this aspect, the results would be very different - in general I think people feel emphatic to other EU countries.
Other than that and generally being left to our own devices during our existence as a nation (see Winter War and what followed) being one cornerstone of our national identity, I think there are unfortunately people who think we, who are in general considering ourselves to be the most sensible, practical people in the crazy world today, should just curb into a ball and try to stay away from the storms in the bigger world (think of Hobbits in Middle-Earth circa end of third age). That being said, many Finns in general feel strong cultural connection to other Nordics, always yearning to be recognized as real Scandinavian country (and certainly not in the sphere of influence of Russia where we've been trying to get the hell away from since 100 years), so I'm not surprised wanting to help Sweden and Denmark, and Estonia who is seen like our little brother who also managed to escape from the Russians recently.
Again, I don't agree with these views personally and would love my countrymen to understand a bit better how well off they are in the world, and how integrally connected they are to the fate of the rest of our European friends and how much of our values we share with them.
But anyway, I wonder what can be said about the results. I think in general, since the financial crisis, there's been a perception, seen in papers etc. that we, who perceive "always doing things properly financially", ie. not having too much debt etc. are getting pumped for dry in the EU by the southern states, ie. always being on the giving, not receiving end. With strict lockdown mentality (at least still during when this survey was done), we've done pretty well with the pandemic, so perhaps some people responding this are thinking along the lines "now those Southern countries who just party at the beach messed up again and we are going to pay again". Like this mentality of "we're already a very small, very poor country but doing ok thanks to ourselves enduring some hardships so why should we give more money to some countries with population many times of us we don't feel that connected to". I don't personally agree, but it's a narrative I've seen thrown around by some people.. I wonder how the question was framed too. I think if the question would emphasize the financial aid given would be somehow relative to our size and others, ie. would somehow balance this aspect, the results would be very different - in general I think people feel emphatic to other EU countries.
Other than that and generally being left to our own devices during our existence as a nation (see Winter War and what followed) being one cornerstone of our national identity, I think there are unfortunately people who think we, who are in general considering ourselves to be the most sensible, practical people in the crazy world today, should just curb into a ball and try to stay away from the storms in the bigger world (think of Hobbits in Middle-Earth circa end of third age). That being said, many Finns in general feel strong cultural connection to other Nordics, always yearning to be recognized as real Scandinavian country (and certainly not in the sphere of influence of Russia where we've been trying to get the hell away from since 100 years), so I'm not surprised wanting to help Sweden and Denmark, and Estonia who is seen like our little brother who also managed to escape from the Russians recently.
Again, I don't agree with these views personally and would love my countrymen to understand a bit better how well off they are in the world, and how integrally connected they are to the fate of the rest of our European friends and how much of our values we share with them.
I would think there's more to it than this considering their numbers for their neighboring countries. What you are saying suggests that the Finns apply the bootstrap mentality only to certain countries. So the Indians are expected to help themselves but the Finns would like to help the Estonians?
I hope this is sarcastic. If you can't see why the U.K. spending years (decades) trashing European countries governments, policies, standards, policing, border control, and even culture would piss them off then I don't know what to tell you.
It's a matter of respect. If the U.K. doesn't want to respect others then why should they respect us.
Remember it's 'help financially' not 'help'. The U.K. can pay its own way.
Interesting poll results.
The poll has a lot of UK hatred, which is really sad to see. I think a lot of it is to do with England rather than the UK as a whole. There has always been a lot of anglophobia in Europe and even a lot of anglophobia within the home nations of the UK itself. It's shit being English
At least the UK came good in the poll and showed it would help out almost everybody.
I wouldn't agree with leaving the EU mind. I want us to campaign and rejoin and be part of a united Europe. We should be building bridges in Europe. Not giving them the finger.
There's a few other interesting results in this survey:
Of all the covered countries, I really expected the French to be the least supportive of a US hegemony over a EU one. What would Charles de Gaulle think of this?
Also, the relatively meagre +17 for the US over China in Germany doesn't surprise me at all. Two of the US' last three presidents were pretty shit and they actually reelected one of them (hopefully that won't be true for the second one...)
Apart from the mess of a Venn diagram this is, Swedes do realise they're not actually in NATO, do they?
Of all the covered countries, I really expected the French to be the least supportive of a US hegemony over a EU one. What would Charles de Gaulle think of this?
Also, the relatively meagre +17 for the US over China in Germany doesn't surprise me at all. Two of the US' last three presidents were pretty shit and they actually reelected one of them (hopefully that won't be true for the second one...)
Apart from the mess of a Venn diagram this is, Swedes do realise they're not actually in NATO, do they?
You say that, but after a full term of Cummings Conservatism, would you like to bet on it? We're looking to regain our noble title of the Sick Man of Europe.
Umm, yes? Of course there's more to it but considering their shared history and mutual external threats Estonia's probably not a good comparison.
I dont think it is hatred. Its who would you lile to help. The UK has basically just told everyone "we dont need your jelp" this poll is other countries saying "fine"
Don't get me wrong the hatred will still be there but this poll ain't that.