yeah I would agree with that (and have no problem with it).
he would have been banned here for asking "what the hell is gender fluid?", though. I also have no doubt of that. food for thought.
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Your Daily Dose of :) : Star Wars actor Billy Dee Williams embraces gender fluidity using him and her pronouns
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yeah I would agree with that (and have no problem with it).
he would have been banned here for asking "what the hell is gender fluid?", though. I also have no doubt of that. food for thought.
I think it would be interesting for him to learn about it and then discuss how it relates to how he sees his "feminine side." Because he took it far enough to actually use "herself" as a descriptor. It could be that when explained he actually would say the way he feels fits the gender fluidity concept, or not.
He's an old dude probably not exposed to that sort of thing; I do wonder what the actual Esquire author said to him because they claim they talked to him about Lando's gender fluidity.
Every article should come with a transcript lol
Yeah I think that's where he was going with the whole Jungian archetype thing... it's pretty much a hippie 70s concept revived (Freud and Jung are sort of, let's say, out of fashion now) but it's cool that he arrived here from a different path than most of us are familiar with.
We need a word for this... proto-woke?
yeah I would like that actually, even just as a link
you're 5 days late.
also I agree with the others in previous page, i understand why it went down but there was at least one ban in here that ought to be overturned/mitigated imo. all I'll say about that
How about "aaaaaaaaand let it go." He was banned for it last week. It's moot.
Is there something about Star Wars that makes you to lose your mind or something? I've never seen you in a SW thread without causing fucking drama.
Edit: whoops late to the party
yeah, he never explicitly said that he was gender-fluid, just that he was basically rejecting traditional macho masculinity. It's a little much to assume he's nonbinary and prefers to use both pronouns. Either way it is still great for him to open up about that part of himself and I wish more men were willing to do that
Mist Given that this person's interpretation of the quote was not dismissive, and also correct based on what Billy Williams has said since then, will the ban be lifted?
The OP should be updated. The original article's framing isn't accurate, according to the actor.
Yeah what he associates with "masculinity" vs. "femininity" is probably pretty outdated. He basically said feminine = soft.
Taking that into account it is not surprising at all he balked at the gender fluidity comments.
I still think it's better to have the view that "men can be soft" even if you describe it as "their feminine side", but best case scenario is we just wouldn't associate those traits with gender. I think so at least (I'm not super well versed on how binary / gender fluid people treat the 'masculine vs feminine' concept)
apparently according to another article he said he identifies as a male? https://theundefeated.com/features/billy-dee-williams-star-wars-what-the-hell-is-gender-fluid/
"what I was talking about was about men getting in touch with their softer side of themselves"
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He's associating that with "femininity" and not equating that to being a woman.
I do think it's outdated way to describe it; but his actual point was "men should be allowed to be soft." The logical conclusion you'd hope he would agree with is that women should allowed to be not soft; although he might ascribe that to a "masculine side" which I can understand why someone would take offense.
It's that sort of half-way there progressive from decades past... mixed in with actually being willing to say "herself" as a descriptor.
I'd be curious what his thoughts are if someone explained to him that ascribing femininity to softness can be offensive; he might actually understand and agree because IMO he doesn't come across as an asshole to me.
LMAO, y'all are WILD. While true, it's not a great quote, but asshole? What the fucking fuck? Y'all know EXACTLY what he means. Maybe not worded in the greatest way but fucking stop it.
The guy was born in 1937. His statements are outdated but "asshole" is really extreme, in my opinion.
Where does he say that exactly? I thought he was referring to men and the macho culture?
damn he caught that knife in his back mighty quick. From hero to zero
Huh, same pronouns as me, nice. That really made me :).
I wonder what's going on in the thread meanwhile.
*looks*
Ahhhhhh
I wonder what's going on in the thread meanwhile.
*looks*
Ahhhhhh
