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Bloomberg is still the shitier choice.
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"You're nothing": Joe Biden rape victim comes forward in brave audio interview [up: she filed a criminal complaint]
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He's pretty fucking terrible.
Then again, Biden was more than happy to take his endorsement.
What an absolute shit show.
Biden has been accused before, even if the accusations weren't as serious. He has something like eight accusations levied against him.
There's certainly a pattern here so if people still choose to ignore that pattern, that's unfortunate.
And you're correct about the difficulty of taking down powerful men even when the evidence is overwhelming but if the Democrats want to be taken seriously at all given their continued efforts to paint themselves as the moral high ground, there needs to be a response sooner rather than later.
They certainly had no problem drumming Franken out for less serious accusations.
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I didn't think it was possible to nominate a democratic candidate worse than Hillary but here we are :/
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Liberals don't like being told that they aren't the most progressive ones in the room.
Probably not and they probably won't until they absolutely have to. That is to say when it's on the cover of the Post, NY/LA Times. When Maddow or Lemon asks them about it in an interview and they can't simply get up and walk away.
I don't think that we'll such see a drumming up of calls for Biden to drop out. I know that some of the Dems that had at the time called for Franken's resignation now wish that they had done things different...that Franken should have had gone through an investigation as he had called for. I think that we'll get to see plenty of calls for an investigation if this picks up steam and that will result in Reade's credibility being attacked to hell and back. Without hard evidence or multiple similar accusations coming to light I believe that the American public will shrug and move on as long as Biden denies.
Yes, a few years back the legal definition had changed from forced intercourse to any kind of forced penetration.
Okay, hope this doesn't count as a derail or something but what is the staff post these were ignoring?
Oh, thought it meant an actual post, was wondering what post I'd missed that people were getting banned for.
I await this day then. Thank you.
I mean, once it gets past the primaries, it is functionally the same. It's the biggest flaw(of many) of First Past the Post voting systems. I don't want Biden out of just about all the Democratic candidates, but if he wins the primaries(I'm voting Sanders), and you keep from voting, you are effectively giving more power to the votes of the person whose political values are further from your own(assuming they aren't dealing with roughly the same issue with their voter base - which you know for a fact they aren't).
I don't want Biden, you don't want Biden. But if you aren't voting for him when(or if) the only option is him or Trump, you are effectively giving more power to Trump. The exact same thing happened in 2016, and we are still hearing the same exact arguments we heard when people didn't want Clinton yet pretended they had no responsibility for Trump taking the office.
All that said, I'm not going to discredit what this woman is saying or argue that it should matter any less given the election. Biden shouldn't be the Democratic candidate because of this shit(among other reasons) and SHOULD be called out on it and be forced to confront this issue.
Howard Dean has, but it wasn't pretty
Not sure about anyone else, and I doubt any former candidates even want to touch this. All their heads will be in the sand until the news cycle has moved on, Trump has done something else egregious, or what have you. The story hasn't really gone anywhere past more leftist/progressive circles as far as I've seen.
Edit: Unless you mean newspaper endorsements, then I'm not sure.
It was reported by Newsweek, Vox, Yahoo, Huffington post and other mainstream places. I'm assuming WaPo and NYT are just writing something bigger which is why we haven't heard from them..
Hopefully
"Unaware the definition had been updated"
People showing their asses in these threads
Lol you're an idiot and don't know what you're talking about. Everyone sees you trying to downplay this.
Yea, I saw those tweets regarding HD's comments on this matter. And yea, I mean the now-out-of-the-running-Biden-endorsing democratic presidential nominee and the DNC who collectively endorsed this man for his "electability". I want journalists to grill the fuck out of Biden, his campaign and his supporters.
I hope they're taking their time so it's not just another's regurgitation of what we already know, there's definitely more to the story than this
Who cares if they're posting a "regurgitation". I'd rather everyone do this than simply nothing, effectively silencing Reade.
You know everyone in here berating the major news outlets for not throwing together an article in 24 hours is the exact issue with modern journalism.
This isn't Gawker. Let them do their job because it'll be much more effective when they can nail down details and corroborate statements, get others on record instead of just re-reporting what's already out there.
This whole 'some people are saying' or 'according to x outlet' is not independently fact-checking which is what we all ought to be demanding of media. Get the story right not fast when it's this big. Because if a couple of details are wrong it'll undo the impact and lead to people hand-waiving the story.
I can promise you the NYT/Wapo/CNN are not ignoring this in a willful act to protect Biden. This is a major story and if you are the journo that can nail this story it's career making.
This isn't Gawker. Let them do their job because it'll be much more effective when they can nail down details and corroborate statements, get others on record instead of just re-reporting what's already out there.
This whole 'some people are saying' or 'according to x outlet' is not independently fact-checking which is what we all ought to be demanding of media. Get the story right not fast when it's this big. Because if a couple of details are wrong it'll undo the impact and lead to people hand-waiving the story.
I can promise you the NYT/Wapo/CNN are not ignoring this in a willful act to protect Biden. This is a major story and if you are the journo that can nail this story it's career making.
Everytime we get a new publication, we learn more. Whether it be Vox or Newsweek.
Let's wait for even more details to be revealed as they investigate. She wants to tell her story and Biden has asked reporters to thoroughly vet and investigate the accusation. We're going to get more information.
Larger, influential papers with a diverse range of readers have a chance to either persuade or dissuade a large amount of people based on the amount and quality of evidence or vetting presented, and if we want anything to come from this it's going to take pressure from within the Democratic establishment. It would be more helpful if those types of papers present a stronger, thoroughly researched and vetted piece than very basic, "dismissible" claims. Otherwise you're going to get a lot more Howard Dean-types becoming attack dogs in defense of Biden, and the story won't catch. There are many people willing to give Biden the benefit of the doubt.
I think it should be thoroughly reported by those who have the ability to do more, but I also think it's an extremely bad look for no one on TV to be discussing what's already been reported from the victim herself/corroboration from her brother and friend who backed it up.
I wonder if PBS Newshour has picked up on this. I'm going to ask my father, both of my parents watch PBS Newshour during their dinner.
That's a great article. Took the liberty of threadmarking this.Newsweek is covering it. It's also a really good article. Probably the best yet
Joe Biden's sexual assault accuser wants to be able to speak out without fear of "powerful men"
"These accusations are false," said Deputy Campaign Manager and Communications Director Kate Bedingfield.www.newsweek.com
Two important parts, that boost her credibility IMO:
And, even stronger, which apparently was in the Intercept article but I don't actually recall reading a few days ago --- but it appears it was updated later, and it's a very important detail:
So, two people corroborate that she told them of the incident at the time. We can definitely rule out the idea that this is a recent, politically-motivated, out-of-nowhere accusation.
I really, really hope more outlets start covering this. I'm concerned some might be too cowardly though.
Yeah this is one of the points I've been trying to make. Her story has been corroborated by her brother and close friend. And if Vox, Newsweek and HuffPo (edit: and now The Guardian) feel comfortable enough to at least report on what we have, I'm not sure what news networks excuses are to not play it on TV.
She also talked about telling her story to her mother, brother and friend in the Hill video interview.
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The Guardian op-ed on media silence
The Guardian has a piece on the media silence
amp.theguardian.com
Why has the media ignored sexual assault and misbehaviour allegations against Biden? | Feminism | The Guardian
Conservatives who didn’t care about the multiple sexual assault allegations against Trump have seized on the accusations while liberals turn a blind eye
amp.theguardian.com
Threadmarking this too.The Guardian has a piece on the media silence
Why has the media ignored sexual assault and misbehaviour allegations against Biden? | Feminism | The Guardian
Conservatives who didn’t care about the multiple sexual assault allegations against Trump have seized on the accusations while liberals turn a blind eye
The Guardian has a piece on the media silence
Why has the media ignored sexual assault and misbehaviour allegations against Biden? | Feminism | The Guardian
Conservatives who didn’t care about the multiple sexual assault allegations against Trump have seized on the accusations while liberals turn a blind eye
This is a good step, The Guardian should get some increased coverage / traction going.
Still not seeing anything coming up on YouTube, and as such super frustrated with the lack of widespread coverage of this.
It's nice that they're not only highlighting the accusation itself but also the media silence. Good shit.The Guardian has a piece on the media silence
Why has the media ignored sexual assault and misbehaviour allegations against Biden? | Feminism | The Guardian
Conservatives who didn’t care about the multiple sexual assault allegations against Trump have seized on the accusations while liberals turn a blind eye
Really hope this starts picking up some steam. The media can't ignore this foreverThe Guardian has a piece on the media silence
Why has the media ignored sexual assault and misbehaviour allegations against Biden? | Feminism | The Guardian
Conservatives who didn’t care about the multiple sexual assault allegations against Trump have seized on the accusations while liberals turn a blind eye
Wow.... from the article:
AP: Biden's inner circle: no longer a boy's club, posted one day after an allegation of rape against Biden. Unreal
Didn't notice this, what a look. Edit: either the CNN link was removed or it's broken in the Guardian article. Weird
AP: Biden's inner circle: no longer a boy's club, posted one day after an allegation of rape against Biden. Unreal
They have already responded asking for a thorough investigation.
Assuming she is telling the truth and Time's Up is lying...Can you explain to me what the management director of a PR firm that works for the Time's Up Legal Defense Fund would have done?
This is to say, Anita Dunn doesn't appear to have any actual power there, being ...third party PR.
So this looks to be casting aspersions on Anita Dunn's character because she works for t he Biden Campaign as if she were orchestrating some kind of cover-up.
Is that what you're saying here?
What world do you people live in!?
They called for an investigation, they are denying the allegations. Maybe she is lying, maybe she's telling the truth.
Taking these kinds of accusations seriously DOES NOT equal automatic assumptions of guilt, and so many of the people online who feel the need to just throw down their hot takes only muddy the waters.
Take sexual assault claims seriously, investigate them, wait for the facts, then make a conclusion.
we already know her character
Former Obama Adviser Anita Dunn Helped Harvey Weinstein Strategize Before New York Times Story
On Thursday, the New York Times published a major investigation about the Hollywood mogul, who had assembled a team of top legal and PR professionals.
www.buzzfeednews.com
Who is "you people" again? Please explain this to me.
Here's what was said (via Vox):
Carefully explain to me how you can both not be calling someone a liar while explicitly stating that their very specific and detailed accusations are false.
You can't have it both ways.
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