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After due consideration, we have concluded that while this video does seek to expose abhorrent practices, the video itself could unintentionally signal boost ways of accessing this kind of material. With that concern in mind, we are removing the video and locking this thread for now.

There is a newsworthy story here and it is likely to be covered by the mainstream press with appropriate precautions in place; when this happens a new thread should be made at that time.

Matt Watson said:
Over the past 48 hours I have discovered a wormhole into a soft-core pedophilia ring on Youtube. Youtube's recommended algorithm is facilitating pedophiles' ability to connect with each-other, trade contact info, and link to actual child pornography in the comments. I can consistently get access to it from vanilla, never-before-used Youtube accounts via innocuous videos in less than ten minutes, in sometimes less than five clicks. I have made a twenty Youtube video showing the process, and where there is video evidence that these videos are being monetized by big brands like McDonald's and Disney.

This is significant because Youtube's recommendation system is the main factor in determining what kind of content shows up in a user's feed. There is no direct information about how exactly the algorithm works, but in 2017 Youtube got caught in a controversy over something called "Elsagate," where they committed to implementing algorithms and policies to help battle child abuse on the platform. There was some awareness of these soft core pedophile rings as well at the time, with Youtubers making videos about the problem.

I also have video evidence that some of the videos are being monetized. This is significant because Youtube got into very deep water two years ago over exploitative videos being monetized. This event was dubbed the "Ad-pocalypse." In my video I show several examples of adverts from big name brands like Lysol and Glad being played before videos where people are time-stamping in the comment section. I have the raw footage of these adverts being played on inappropriate videos, as well as a separate evidence video I'm sending to news outlets.

It's clear nothing has changed. If anything, it appears Youtube's new algorithm is working in the pedophiles' favour. Once you enter into the "wormhole," the only content available in the recommended sidebar is more soft core sexually-implicit material. Again, this is all covered in my video.

One of the consistent behaviours in the comments of these videos is people time-stamping sections of the video when the kids are in compromising positions. These comments are often the most upvoted posts on the video. Knowing this, we can deduce that Youtube is aware these videos exist and that pedophiles are watching them. I say this because one of their implemented policies, as reported in a blog post in 2017 by Youtube's vice president of product management Johanna Wright, is that "comments of this nature are abhorrent and we work ... to report illegal behaviour to law enforcement. Starting this week we will begin taking an even more aggressive stance by turning off all comments on videos of minors where we see these types of comments."1 However, in the wormhole I still see countless users time-stamping and sharing social media info. A fair number of the videos in the wormhole have their comments disabled, which means Youtube's algorithm is detecting unusual behaviour. But that begs the question as to why Youtube, if it is detecting exploitative behaviour on a particular video, isn't having the video manually reviewed by a human and deleting the video outright. Given the age of some of the girls in the videos, a significant number of them are pre-pubescent, which is a clear violation of Youtube's minimum age policy of thirteen (and older in Europe and South America). I found one example of a video with a prepubescent girl who ends up topless mid way through the video. The thumbnail is her without a shirt on. This a video on Youtube, not unlisted, and is openly available for anyone to see. I won't provide screenshots or a link, because I don't want to be implicated in some kind of wrongdoing.

I want this issue to be brought to the surface. I want Youtube to be held accountable for this. It makes me sick that this is happening, that Youtube isn't being proactive in dealing with reports (I reported a channel and a user for child abuse, 60 hours later both are still online) and proactive with this issue in general. Youtube absolutely has the technology and the resources to be doing something about this. Instead of wasting resources auto-flagging videos where content creators "use inappropriate language" and cover "controversial issues and sensitive events" they should be detecting exploitative videos, deleting the content, and enforcing their established age restrictions. The fact that Youtubers were aware this was happening two years ago and it is still online leaves me speechless. I'm not interested in clout or views here, I just want it to be reported.
 
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Deleted member 24149

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My child discovered so called 24 hour challenge videos.

Creepy as fuck.
 

Volimar

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is scary. These videos are basically hidden unless you access one that getsthem into your recommendations. Seems like the perfect way to hide material basically in plain sight since it's mostly pedophiles and kids who would be looking for these videos.
 

nsilvias

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Oct 25, 2017
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you'd be surprised at how out in the open this stuff is online. i used to think this was all darkweb stuff until i started running into it on twitter and reddit. no one does anything about it though.
 

Kenzodielocke

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Oct 25, 2017
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Disgusting.

Recently watched a documentary about how pedophiles gather social media posts of children and share them on their forum, which is technically not illegal. Some parents just need to be way more careful.
 

Koo

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Dec 10, 2017
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I don't know why I am constantly surprised by this disgusting stuff just being so easy to access. But every time there is a story on some site that's somehow harboring a life time worth of CP I'm still left speechless at how it was allowed to go on.

And yeah Youtube's algorithm needs changing, it's constantly feeding into itself. I watch one video on soap making and suddenly every recommended video is soap making. That's not curated content, that's just opening up a drawer called 'soap making' and pulling out every single video and shoving it in my face.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I wanted to make a thread about this a while ago after being recommended a grown woman lingerie modeling video by youtube at first and the recommended algorithm subsequently spiraling into pseudo-child pornography with a staggering quickness. I decided against it because I was like am I an old man yelling at clouds now? (And I didn't want to get labeled a perv or some shit) But this is definitely a thing and it takes 0 effort to get the algorithm to pick up 100's to thousands of these videos that are essentially monetized child "swimsuit modeling"

I'm glad someone made this video and now I feel bad for not whistleblowing on this shit earlier when I stumbled upon it. It's disturbingly easy and looking up product reviews for a brand of swimsuits is enough to get the algorithm going down this path. I imagine if you keyword it more specifically it's even more disgusting.
 
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Chivalry

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They'll block this video and do nothing about the actual problem. That's youtube for you.
 

Seesaw15

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Oct 27, 2017
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I wonder if Youtube eventually gets enough heat for this they'll pull a Tumblr and just get rid of all adult content on the platform?
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Tfritz

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Oct 25, 2017
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Gonna be bold and controversial here and say that Youtube should not be doing that.
 

PHOENIXZERO

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Oct 29, 2017
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Yeah, no shit. Even innocuous videos attracted the creeps when there's teenagers or little kids involved, of course they're going to figure out how to exploit shit. I don't know why any parent would let their kid have a Youtube channel or put their kids on it.
 

Seesaw15

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Yep. Just tried it out on a burner account. About 5 clicks into a Mod Edit: removed information that might be used to access illegal imagery got me into a pretty blatant pedophile worm hole. Jesus Christ Youtube handle your shit this is ridiculous.
 
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MilesQ

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Oct 25, 2017
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YouTube doesn't give a single fuck because advertisers don't give a fuck in the long term.

Sure, they'll pull their ad when the heat is on, but as soon as people get caught up in the next outrage, they'll quietly put their ads back up.

Just look at the ad 'boycott' that took place on FOX News with Ingraham.
 

wenis

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Oct 25, 2017
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Now imagine if you're sharing your photos of your kids online and you aren't locking that shit down hard to just people you know. The internet can be an incredibly vile place to visit, it's a shame we all basically live here.
 

Powdered Egg

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Oct 27, 2017
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Now imagine if you're sharing your photos of your kids online and you aren't locking that shit down hard to just people you know. The internet can be an incredibly vile place to visit, it's a shame we all basically live here.
Even with the few hundred of the folks we know, there's going to be a pedophile in the bunch.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Hopefully drawing eyes to this will do more than all the times people have pointed out how Youtube have no issue drawing attention to Nazis.
 

GraveRobberX

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Oct 25, 2017
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Holy shit, that algorithm

It took him 2 tries with the throw away account

I remember something about Elsa, Deadpool, Spider-Man vid combos and trying to generate dollars but that was more competition based of staying relevant for kids attention

Parents should be Told about this
YouTube is becoming way too broken and cracks are showing
 

greenbird

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Oct 25, 2017
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Check the view counts on those videos as he scrolls down the side bar, most are in the hundreds of thousands and millions. There's no way Youtube can plead ignorance on this, they're complicit in this exploitation. Just another example to add to the list for this morally bankrupt, trash-ass company.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Jesus I managed to get from his video about youtube facilitating a pornography ring to the underage pornography ring in about 7 to 8 clicks. This is so fucked it's beyond belief. In a private session while not logged in. This shit is disgusting.
 

Sinfamy

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Oct 27, 2017
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Same goes for politics.
Watch one political video and all you'll see recommended is "Ben Shapiro OWNS SJW Libtard with FACTS and LOGIC".
 

Penny Royal

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Oct 25, 2017
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QLD, Australia
I'm in Australia so will be checking on YTs own server farm details locally, but in the US:

Berkeley County, South Carolina
Council Bluffs, Iowa
Douglas County, Georgia
Jackson County, Alabama
Lenoir, North Carolina
Montgomery County, Tennessee
Pryor Creek, Oklahoma at MidAmerica Industrial Park
The Dalles, Oregon

I'm not sure if local or state police would be the best organisations to contact.
 
Mod post - don't signal boost how to find illegal stuff

B-Dubs

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I get this is shocking and disgusting, especially with how fast youtube's algorithm can work, but please refrain from posting indications or instructions that people might use to find these videos.
 

Amnixia

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JFC, this is messed up.
How is YT missing this?

I kinda want to give them the benefit of the doubt and think that they wouldn't want this shit on their platform but if it is so easy to find...
 

Jordan117

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Oct 27, 2017
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I honestly feel kind of bad for YouTube management here despite everything because it feels like an intractable problem given the scale of the platform. At least with Content ID there's a defined database of copyrighted material that uploads can be automatically checked against and filtered. But given the 300 some-odd hours of video that get uploaded every second now, how on earth do you check it for something as nebulous (and not technically illegal) as "softcore" footage of kids? You can ban uploaders as you find them, but there are millions of YouTube accounts and their groups and playlists are easily recreated. You can't legally crack down because it's not explicit (and they're probably behind seven proxies anyway). Human review is impossible to scale, and probably focused on more immediately dangerous stuff like terrorism, snuff films, malware distribution, etc.

As for the monetization, people have long complained that YouTube's too hair-trigger on demonetizing popular channels for borderline objectionable content. If they put every channel through the wringer to discourage seedy stuff like this I imagine it will have a crippling effect on the user-created side of things. It's one thing to have a home movie taken down for copyright violations, quite another because YouTube is calling you a perv. They could either demonetize everything that isn't vetted and complete the transformation into a video network by and for big brands, or collapse as advertisers refuse to be algorithmically associated with rando smut. But I fail to see how any successor could handle the problem any better.
 

Phrozenflame500

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Oct 28, 2017
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might also be worth letting the companies shown in the video know that their brands are being advertised next to child pornography. youtube doesn't give a fuck until advertisers start complaining.
 
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Seesaw15

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I get this is shocking and disgusting, especially with how fast youtube's algorithm can work, but please refrain from posting indications or instructions that people might use to find these videos.
Shouldn't the video in the OP be removed/censored then? Its literally providing instructions on how to find these videos.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Well I will abide by the mods post to refrain from instructing people how to find it but you can legit get there in 4 clicks from his video. I have proof but I'd break the previous rule by posting it.
 

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might also be worth letting the companies shown in the video that their brands are being advertised next to child pornography. youtube doesn't give a fuck until advertisers start complaining.

Yeah this part is important. The most important part. Email Disney/Proctor Gamble/etc. Youtube most likely knows, and won't do SHIT until their advertisements are touched.
 
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