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YouTube Video: "Dear White Beg-packers..." (See Staff Post)
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To everyone saying "surely not only white people", how exactly do you think Black or Indian or people of other ethnicities doing this would get any money from the local population in these countries...? The cops would be on them in like a second.
I meet these fools every other week. They've infested Malaysia and it drives me crazy when I see them beg from locals.
Malaysians aren't rich. Most of us are barely surviving.
Malaysians aren't rich. Most of us are barely surviving.
I can't see the video either but there are usually a few at victory monument in bkk. I don't go to khaosan either you goofball. Also pretty easy to spot in Hk usually in causeway bay somewhere or TST. Probably have seen them in other countries but I can't remember. They are all an annoying blur.
Programs like "Pekín Express" didn't helped much. I remember some people addicted to them and how wonderful would be to live an "adventure" like that without money on those countries. As if it was a super-normal thing to do ¬¬
I'm a little confused by this, surely if you're only consuming food/paying for shelter/ buying whatever, you're still paying into the economy of the place you're in.
Edit: Wait, no, I get it now. I thought this thread was more in reference to people who travel around using money from "home" (parents, donations from friends, etc). To be honest some people in this thread seem to be talking about that, and I don't see the issue there. If you're gonna soak up all the free money on your home turf or from the bank of mom and dad, and then fuck off to another country and splash it all there, go ahead.
Yup, this is what first came to mind. I don't think they are such a problem if they respect property, clean up their trash and after their dog and do something other than beg. At least play some music. There are plenty all over lower Manhattan in the summer and in brooklyn who just sit outside a busy Starbucks and beg with their cardboard sign.
C'mon.... :) It's white prevlige thing. They are mostly white people and it disgusts me seeing this.
I gave $50 Hong Kong Dollars to one these dudes, at a time when I was so dirt poor...
But he claimed to be homeless and desperate.
But he claimed to be homeless and desperate.
Feel like this has been a thing since at least the mid 2000's. I've run into a few back home at bars and parties when they comeback to brag about all the places they went on a low or no budget. Usually involved staying at hostels. And all of them were middle or upper middle class.
I'm not sure what you guys are on about so I'm just going to reiterate the point that was made in the video:
The reason the Video talks about white tourists and "singles them out" begging on the streets of poorer countries to finance their travels is because the people who made this video - the people who actually live in one of these countries affected by this - have experienced white tourists begging on the streets to finance their travels.
The video talks about privilige and makes a point of explaining how white privilege especially is directly connected to this issue. The reason they are talking about white people is because they experienced white people doing this. The reason they are talking about white people is because, overwhelmingly, it's white people doing this. It's really rather simple.
I think there is an important distinction here to be made: Begging in Manhattan as a tourist is a very different thing from doing the same in India, as by the very nature of you being able to travel and fly around the world you are already way, way more wealthy than a huge proportion of the people you are begging for money. The flight to India alone would have cost more than an average worker in India makes in 6 months.
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What happened to working in places you visit to fund your onward travels? A few friends who did backpacking years ago after uni made sure the first they they did after they went somewhere new was find a job, didn't matter what it was.
Yeah, it depends on what kind of passport you have as far as I know. It might be race related too just haven't seen it myself. For example flying to Taiwan if you're flying with a Thai passport you need to show a return ticket while I never had to show one myself. And I recently flew to japan without a return ticket as well and had no problems.
This might explain why it's mostly white people (Though with long haul flights a return flight can be cheaper anyway). It's so baffling that people want to do this though especially in countries where even just 1000 euro will go a looooong way if you're cheap. Just save up a bit at home and then fly? Well, I guess if it works people will still do it. I'm guessing it's very likely most of them do have that 1000 euro they just want it to last even longer.
Honestly don't give a crap if it's done in wealthy countries. Like, if you're in my little Austria doing this, I'm not gonna call you an asshole.
Now, you won't get a cent from me (though I wouldn't mind bringing you some of whatever lunch I cook), but it's obvious who and what these people are. It's not like they're posing as homeless.
My view may be tainted, because there is this program where you get loads of food about to expire for free, so I'm not worried about anyone starving or anything.
The people doing this in places where people are probably poorer than they are are absolutely assholes though, and it doesn't matter if they are ignorant or just don't care.
Edit: and its absolutely an overwhelmingly white thing
Now, you won't get a cent from me (though I wouldn't mind bringing you some of whatever lunch I cook), but it's obvious who and what these people are. It's not like they're posing as homeless.
My view may be tainted, because there is this program where you get loads of food about to expire for free, so I'm not worried about anyone starving or anything.
The people doing this in places where people are probably poorer than they are are absolutely assholes though, and it doesn't matter if they are ignorant or just don't care.
Edit: and its absolutely an overwhelmingly white thing
Poverty tourism without the risks or negative connotations going back home with them.
People want the experience of being poor without actually being poor.
There's ways to be an ethical tourist and give $ to the local economy, and this is like the exact opposite.
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The fragility on display across mere 2 pages is just baffling.
White privilege might be a big factor in the demographic of these beg-packers since I'd imagine minorities would feel significantly less safe engaging in such a practice, but I still don't see why the video feels it's necessary to explicitly direct it at "white" ones (I'd imagine women would also feel less safe.. why isn't it specifically directed at white male beg-packers?). Even if literally every single beg-packer was white, it would still be sufficient to just call them out as "beg-packers" rather than "white beg-packers"... they'll know who they are. And if they aren't all white, well then you're not addressing everybody who needs to be addressed. The problem is the beg-packing, not being white while doing so.
As for the practice of beg-packing... It's kinda scummy, especially if they could afford to travel normally and/or engaging in this practice in poorer regions. But I'm not 100% against it if they can't afford to travel and are doing it in relatively wealthy areas.
As for the practice of beg-packing... It's kinda scummy, especially if they could afford to travel normally and/or engaging in this practice in poorer regions. But I'm not 100% against it if they can't afford to travel and are doing it in relatively wealthy areas.
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Haven't we had a topic about this before? Possibly on the old site. But yes, I find the notion of it bizarre.
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These shitty go to images and one off replies hoping to shut down discussion and paint people as "privileged snowflakes" in one go can fuck off.
Thread title is practically begging for someone to wonder why its being so specific, yet what you DO have like clockwork is people who seem to be begging for someone to say something as an excuse for the dismissive/woke hashtag shame train to start rolling.
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They all have thier parents credit card stashed away somewhere on thier person. Don't believe the poverty angle.
"go to image" is pulled from the video, way to expose your own ass with a post LMAO
I see Trustifarians have gone international.
This is like a sad rendition of Europe's Third Sons being anointed and then sent off to the darkest hearts of the uncivilized world to bring the joy of White Capitalist Jesus to the masses, while exploiting the people whose land they're squatting on
This is like a sad rendition of Europe's Third Sons being anointed and then sent off to the darkest hearts of the uncivilized world to bring the joy of White Capitalist Jesus to the masses, while exploiting the people whose land they're squatting on
I saw a few in Osaka when I last visited. Set up on a random sidewalk. They had Polaroid pictures of their travels for sale for ¥2000 each and also had a hat sitting there with a "please donate towards our dream trip!" sign. They tried to say something to me in French and I just rolled my eyes and kept walking.
No need to wonder if you watch the video. Maybe the people who would wonder "why white people?" could even read an article or two to inform themselves of the issue.
It's specifically about white people because white people seem do this thing more frequently. Lots of Europeans and Americans it seems.
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That's why I avoid those places. I'd be tempted to spit on these fools if I saw them. They're an embarrassment, like most farang here.
I know some people who traveled for a year without money, but they stayed in Europe and did it as some kind of anarchist project, they actually continued the no-money-thing for a few years back home and have been involved in all sorts of alternative political projects. I can respect that (even though you could still say they didn't contribute to the economy of countries they visited)
But begging in countries where you're a lot richer than most of the population just to fund your travels is really shitty
But begging in countries where you're a lot richer than most of the population just to fund your travels is really shitty
"I need money for my trip, please help"
*random pedestrian gives you a lambo*
Just a side note:
What's with some cultures and this absolutely baffling practice of using a different language term to describe foreigners when conversing in English?
It doesn't add anything, does it?
The only purpose I can think of is to increase the othering in a statement, which seems like a bad thing
white people are secret genies, if you give them enough money good things will come to you
Or something like that
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Dude, what does #notallwhitepeople have to do with what the guy was asking?
The Amazing race.
We should have Taki ask them all stupid questions that take 10 seconds to look up.
We should have Taki ask them all stupid questions that take 10 seconds to look up.
Ugh, this is such a gaijin thing to say.
But srs, everyone I met in Thailand over Christmas referred to the Europeans and Aussies as Farang, including many of the Europeans and Aussies themselves. It was weird. Never heard it said in a manner where I thought they were being impolite though.
These people pop up in Antigua, Guatemala, right alongside actual indigenous people selling their goods as a livelihood.
The worst.
The worst.
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This post is 100% correct. The implication of singling out white beg-packers is that you think it's OK if non-white people do it.
As far as English as a second language goes, the Dutch are about as close to native-English as it gets, and not at all representative of the typical level of English understood by the average non-native speaker.
I know why the video is titled specifically that way. Clicks
There are plenty of Europeans and Americans that are not/do not look white. How are those factored into this/accounted for?
Its aimed at the perceived most privileged for greater effect, which is whatever, but doesnt excuse the dumb conversation stopping hashtags that start flying here at the drop of a hat.
I don't have any qualms with the allegation, I'm just curious. Is this something only white people do? Is this something that is only problematic when it's done by white people? If you name your video "Dear white beg-packers" you're implying non-white beg-packers either don't exist or are fine, which again, may be but... context?
Would a rich black kid from Atlanta beg-packing be received differently? Is he more or less of an asshole? Is the problem that people looking at him in those poor countries wouldn't feel the same as they do when they see a white guy doing it (for obvious historical reasons)?
I do know a couple of (white) beg-packers and yes, they're your stereotypical european white leftist who leave thinking they can go do "so much good" by visiting countries and learning cultures and spreading messages... white saviour complex and all that. If the phenomenon is actually rooted in priviledge (it may as well be, as I feel a big part of it is the idea you'll be safe with no money traveling across countries where people starve and sleep in the cold), then it may very well be a "white people" thing. But the question remains.
Not all white people are beg-packers? I damn hope so.
I think what they were asking is "are all beg-packers white people?" or "is this only a problem when white people do it?". Again, the answer to both questions could very well be yes, but why shut down the discussion? I feel like the point of them being white is important to the lady who made the video, so we should probably discuss it.
Hah, the dictionary even adds "derogatory" to the definition for that word, so I guess it's a good example.
Yes it is. Otherwise they'd just say "beg-packers" and their point would still stand.