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Ys net has heard the concerns regarding Epic Games Store exclusivity for Shenmue III and will assess the situation [Read Staff Post Before Posting]
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Hopefully at least backers get Steam keys at launch, not after the timed exclusivity, or a refund if they wish.
Deep Silver, however, in the coming years, are going to have a rough future on PC...
Deep Silver, however, in the coming years, are going to have a rough future on PC...
Should have done that before the deal lol.
Can't say I feel for kickstarters that don't respect their backers and recognize that is the first demographic they should try to make happy as best as they can.
Can't say I feel for kickstarters that don't respect their backers and recognize that is the first demographic they should try to make happy as best as they can.
they won't get steam keys at launch because there won't be a steam release at the launch of the game.
hopefully however, they get their money back, although it's so many people, i'm sure they'll be fine because of the publisher support.
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Oculus proved that you can say fuck you to your backers with few negative consequences
Unsure what they and deep silver expected? Especially after what happened with Metro, nothing should come as a surprise when EGS Exclusivity pops up. I figure it was just a case of "Let's get that money and ask for forgiveness later".
If they can offer refunds to those who want it and a give backers both a EGS key and Steam Key after the exclusivity, that'll go a long.
If they can offer refunds to those who want it and a give backers both a EGS key and Steam Key after the exclusivity, that'll go a long.
I don't think YS net expected it to go this bad. Deep Silver though should have been more aware since they literally just had the same issue with Metro.
Oh, Deep Silver knew. They just don't care because they got paid.
How could YS net not have expected it? It seems like such an easy thing to see. Exclusives on pc get a bad reaction and crowdfunded ones get an even worse one.
Wasn't much a comment about any potential consequences. I actually agree and have noted in the other thread that there likely won't be any consequences if they don't care(like they could easily just take the money and push through). But it seems this has been a pr disaster to an extent that they felt like they had to issue this statement so who knows.
Maybe that just sounds really stupid though. You lead your customers to believe they're going to receive a specific thing and then tell them they can't get it cause you got more money from someone else.
To me on paper that is just the absolute heigth of disrespect towards the people that funded you based on pure goodwill.
It might actually rank for me as worse than a kickstarter just going radio silent. At least that is born out of problems/cowardice to face your backers. But this is enriching yourself at the cost of your backers.
Could this be due to people in the EU having a legit case against them cause of bait-and-switch and refusing refunds?
I am not sure how the laws work with crowdfunding, but this was brought up by someone in the other thread and I wonder.
I am not sure how the laws work with crowdfunding, but this was brought up by someone in the other thread and I wonder.
Yeah, Phoenix Point exclusivity deal was announced like 3-4 month ago, you can hardly be more similar than that.
Still being ignorant to what going EGS exclusive actually mean to many of the backer makes you ridiculously blind to the market you work in, which is no good excuse.
Ys Net probably didn't expect anything.
Deep Silver probably knew this was going to happen, but didn't care.
I very much believe they, like everyone else, know the reaction, they just don't care or expected it to blow over (I mean even on here people have said how after a month no one will care about epic exclusives)
Thing is japanese devs in general are pretty ignorant about anything outside of Japan. Remember when Capcom hired that guy for Dantes theme , a simple google search could have stopped that.
Deep silver prolly pitched it as " oh yea these guys have fortnite , biggest game in the world ...blah blah"
I have no doubt that's true when it comes to Deep Silver.
YS net I don't know, I agree with Shadoken when it come to japanese devs often still being ignorant to many things, even more so when PC gaming is involved. But as I said, even if that's the case here, that's still no excluse.
And it'll happen again. Get that sweet paycheck from Sweeny for the first year of exclusivity, then rely on Steam a year later for long-term sales. Hilariously, they're still using the Steam platform to market their games and communicate with customers.
I would love for Valve to stop this shit. If Epic want to do this shit then they should ban the games from there until they release on Steam.
We need some pushback at Epic's bullshit.
I mean, probably because they're a Japanese development team who've been busy making a game. I wouldn't expect them to have been following internet reactions to the Epic Game Store and using it to make in-house decisions about how best to publish their game, that's like literally the job of the publisher.
I am aware of Japanese devs generally being a tad ignorant of PC stuff, but I do not think like the gap is as big as it used to be and knowing that third-party exclusivity deals don't go over well does not require intimate knowledge of the current pc landscape.
Also, I doubt they would make such a decision without zero research into it. I cant believe a deal like this is signed without any research and even a google search will show them what they were in for
If assessing the situation doesn't involve offering refunds, they've not listened to anyone's concerns at all. If Epic can pay for the exclusive, they don't need my money anymore, so they can give it back.
But frankly I think they're just gonna try their hardest to not part with any cash. I've changed my pledge to PS4 and I'll be selling it to try and recoup my money and deny them a new sale.
They should find a way to stop it, because right now Epic and the developers/publishers who sign these exclusives are getting free marketing off of Valve's dime.
But frankly I think they're just gonna try their hardest to not part with any cash. I've changed my pledge to PS4 and I'll be selling it to try and recoup my money and deny them a new sale.
Valve need to do something about this. Developers are peacocking themselves on Steam until Epic, using Sergey's tools, get metrics on the most anticipated games on the platform, before offering the exclusivity.
They should find a way to stop it, because right now Epic and the developers/publishers who sign these exclusives are getting free marketing off of Valve's dime.
lol Thats kinda why I brought up Capcom. A giant AAA publisher that makes most of its money from the West , couldnt be bothered to do a simple google search on the vocalist of their game.
Not really excusing them , but shit like this has happened before.
Once the time esclusivity is over, will people be paying full price on Steam and other storefronts for a year old game, or should we expect a big price drop?
Depending on how big that Epic money was , I am guessing they are going to give refunds. Giving backers Steam keys kinda beats the point of the Epic deal in the first place. Dont think Epic would allow them to do that.
I witnessed the whole capcom thing, I just personally still believe that a company will do a bit of research before they sign a deal concerning the distribution of their first product.
Depends.
If the game sells well then I would expect full price. If the game sells badly it will either be full price to maximize the profits or low price to try and milk profits.
The answer is we don't know yet.
I've had that question in my head since Metro came out. Quite curious to see where we are with this whole situation in a year time.
I personally think they took the Epic deal because they know the game probably isn't going to review well or sell well to people who haven't backed the game already and they wanted the security blanket.
I think you're right though, regardless of their reasoning, it really is an anti-consumer move no matter how you look at it and I hope they fix the mess they have made.
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I can't wait for them to back down slightly from the shitty thing they're doing to a slightly less shitty thing, and for the oncoming arguments of "well, they budged a little bit, therefore you're not allowed to complain at all anymore".
It's such a simple tactic and it works every time.
It's such a simple tactic and it works every time.
There's very little to "assess." Either give backers who want it a full refund, or offer Steam keys to those who want it. Doing one or the other is the least thing they can do to make this right. Preferably, they'll give backers the option to either get a refund, get a Steam key, or stick with getting it on the Epic store.
What do you want, a pound of flesh? They've done their damage and been raked over the coals. Let's see what they do.
I would like companies to stop taking exclusivity deals.
But no yeah, pound of flesh, sure, whatever.
He's just pointing out that he never said they didn't ever want to do it again.
The fact he's pointing it out so nonchalantly is weird, though. Like, he really doesn't give a fuck how mad his tactics make people because he has a messiah complex. He genuinely thinks he's improving the future for his fellow developers/publishers, and gamers as a whole with his moneyhatting garbage.
"This is why we cant have nice things." This honestly so god damn annoying.
"we are listening" is such an outplayed bullshit PR Line that it is not funny anymore.
They just either want to ride it out or make little gestures so that the critics can tear apart themselves with the "this is enough for me" crowd and the "is that all?" crowd.
They just either want to ride it out or make little gestures so that the critics can tear apart themselves with the "this is enough for me" crowd and the "is that all?" crowd.
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