What exactly happens since he has no more money? Does he pay what he can? I never got how these things get awarded when an individual only has so much wealth.
I thought the same thing :D
"oh no, boss! got a place I can hide away for a bit?"
Fucking yes! So glad those two got their just recompense from all the bullshit this ghoul put them through. Here's hoping Giuliani is left destitute and in shambles after this. Feels great these assholes are finally getting their due. Let the find out stage continue!
Considering that they were trying to virtualy end the lives of those two ladies for all practical purposes, the verdict which is "the civil equivalent of the death penalty" is completely fine with me. Giuliani can go get fucked. The only problem is I doubt he has the money to pay this so I'm not sure what happens next then.
Huh. I guess that makes sense. The amount of damages have to come from somewhere, and the cost of a hypothetical rehabilitation campaign seems fitting. And yeah, it was a massive misinformation campaign, reaching a shitload of people. And makes it even shittier for Giuliani, cause he was just one person in that entire charade, and he's now bearing the brunt of it. Good.
lol good get fucked ghoul.
So 0% chance again.
0.1% chance unfortunately. But may he can get his pal Trump to help him pay?
So 0% chance again.
Literally threw his life down the drain for trump, and the best part, trump doesn't give a single fuck.
All of these awful rich white dudes could have continued being awful rich white dudes but they just had to fuck around in the public spotlight. Serves them right.
party in the front, nothing in the back
it's like he couldnt decide on hitler youth, nationalist or troll so he did em all
He still owns property in NYC and near Marla-go those will now be forfeit, even if he doesn't have the liquid cash as judgement like this means his physical assets will revert to the victims. I Ms Freeman and Miss will look great coming out that upper east side condo.
Payment isn't optional, I'm willing to bet the judge will make it so it can't be discharged via bankruptcy and he does own properties he WILL lose now.
He should be in jail, but I'll take solace in the fact that Rudy will die a penniless loser who history will remember as a villain.
Haha, I got more money than Giuliani.
Patiently waiting for when packwatch.gif can be posted for him.
Patiently waiting for when packwatch.gif can be posted for him.
LOL, so they can just inherit all his property like his penthouse?! That's so rich. NYC would probably be a great place for them where they can finally feel safe.
I'd give my own money to keep a shirt on Rudy. No one should have to see that.
I keep reading Alex Jones got away with having to pay the fines by declaring bankruptcy?
Did he really? Last I heard about that case was specifically how that route was blocked by the judge tho... bit confused.
Did he really? Last I heard about that case was specifically how that route was blocked by the judge tho... bit confused.
He can do that, but all his assets will be liquidated to service debt so... He's quite fucked. And it could be that the judge doesn't let him discharge this debt through bankruptcy in which case he'll have to liquidate everything and still have to keep paying.
I would be more concerned about his appeal options than whether he can squirm out of payments. It's not really true that he can just not pay. But he will try to tie it up in court for as long as he can.
People have a lot of understandable questions about the debt. The first thing to know is that, like Alex Jones, Giulianni's judgment is for an intentional tort. Intentional torts are generally not dischargeable in bankruptcy (see subsection a.6).
What does this mean as a practical matter? The same as Alex Jones. He can't go into bankruptcy and wipe it away. He can still go into bankruptcy and get rid of his other debts. The creditors holding non-dischargeable debts can then either:
1. Tell him to shove it, wait for him to get out of bankruptcy (or in some cases that probably don't apply here, ask the court to exempt them from the automatic stay on collection actions) and record their judgment against everything of his they can find, in perpetuity, until they're satisfied; or
2. Do what the Alex Jones judgment creditors have done, which is come to the conclusion that a trustee holding the power to hand them money is worth taking pennies on the dollar rather than hounding him for the rest of his life.
Everyone goes with 2. Collecting judgments against people with means is insanely difficult, because it's a never-ending game of whack-a-mole with incomplete and often incorrect information, often across multiple unfamiliar jurisdictions. The trustee has the money now and can write them a check now. That's a huge motivator. The downside is that the trustee (and the bankruptcy judge, to be frank) view it as their job to both protect and fully administer the estate. The trustee is going to drive a hard bargain because they're responsible to make sure that the other creditors get a fair (usually pro rata) share of the available estate, and the judge wants the process to end, if feasible, with a discharge against everyone so they don't have to deal with any potential knock-on litigation.
So, expect this to play out more or less like Alex Jones's did, albeit with a slightly more broke debtor.
BUT! The fun part: Donald Trump is a debtor of Guilliani. So the trustee is empowered to initiate proceedings in the bankruptcy against Trump (among others) to collect for the benefit of the estate. Will the trustee do this? No. Would this cause a hilarious train wreck with the receiver in the New York State fraud case? Yes. Extremely yes.
What does this mean as a practical matter? The same as Alex Jones. He can't go into bankruptcy and wipe it away. He can still go into bankruptcy and get rid of his other debts. The creditors holding non-dischargeable debts can then either:
1. Tell him to shove it, wait for him to get out of bankruptcy (or in some cases that probably don't apply here, ask the court to exempt them from the automatic stay on collection actions) and record their judgment against everything of his they can find, in perpetuity, until they're satisfied; or
2. Do what the Alex Jones judgment creditors have done, which is come to the conclusion that a trustee holding the power to hand them money is worth taking pennies on the dollar rather than hounding him for the rest of his life.
Everyone goes with 2. Collecting judgments against people with means is insanely difficult, because it's a never-ending game of whack-a-mole with incomplete and often incorrect information, often across multiple unfamiliar jurisdictions. The trustee has the money now and can write them a check now. That's a huge motivator. The downside is that the trustee (and the bankruptcy judge, to be frank) view it as their job to both protect and fully administer the estate. The trustee is going to drive a hard bargain because they're responsible to make sure that the other creditors get a fair (usually pro rata) share of the available estate, and the judge wants the process to end, if feasible, with a discharge against everyone so they don't have to deal with any potential knock-on litigation.
So, expect this to play out more or less like Alex Jones's did, albeit with a slightly more broke debtor.
BUT! The fun part: Donald Trump is a debtor of Guilliani. So the trustee is empowered to initiate proceedings in the bankruptcy against Trump (among others) to collect for the benefit of the estate. Will the trustee do this? No. Would this cause a hilarious train wreck with the receiver in the New York State fraud case? Yes. Extremely yes.
I know he'll never more than a fraction of it, but as long as he's completely ruined, and Ruby Freeman and Shay Moss get something - by which I mean millions - then I am content.
Fuck this ghoul. And I still hope he ends up dying in prison.
Fuck this ghoul. And I still hope he ends up dying in prison.
It greatly depends on the state, many states have upper limits on punitive damages, whereas other states don't.
When I saw the headline of 150 million, I immediately thought of that Simpson's episode. Rudy is done even if the amount comes down in appeal. I hope this is a deterrent in future elections for bad actors like Rudy to be more hesitant to just follow blindly the will of a wannabe dictator and destroy people's lives.
