Synder fans don't care about this part. You think Synder knows the rules of these characters ?
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Justice League: Joker and Batman Extended Clip Released + Includes We Live in a Society Line! #Syndercutredeemed
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Synder fans don't care about this part. You think Synder knows the rules of these characters ?
Forgive me if I assume that a director's cut that's four fucking hours is comprehensive, lmao.
At the very least it being the Joker scene makes sense since we know that was shot after-the-fact.
Speaking of this scene, does this version explain why Joker is there with them at all? Like, what was his purpose? He doesn't have powers so he couldn't be helpful in any way against Supes, Darkseid, or anyone else. Was he to be a sacrifice on the alter of Supes?
I'm sure there were several hours more cuts and takes that were also not used.
There were apparently about 5 hours of footage, which presumably wouldn't include multiple takes. It was never all going to be used, that not how any movies/tv shows work, even ones where the director has free reign to go hog wild.
Batman has killed alot. In comics and movies since forever. Yes, he has a no kill code but he will cross it if necessary. He's killed the joker like 3 times, at least.
can you really call the Knightapocalypse world a society tho, Joker
nah dog, Batman just puts them to sleep because they have to nap after they fight
nah dog, Batman just puts them to sleep because they have to nap after they fight
Different movie tones.
Tim Burton treats violence like in a old cartoon.
Snyder treats violence as the world's only higyene, sublimation of manlyhood, and the fiery crucible in which true heroes are forged, and whatever 13 years old think.
It's like in Freddy Got Fingered, where a kid goes into an airplane rotor, gets mauled, people are douzed in blood, but he says offscreen "I'm fine!".
As a non-DC fan and non-comic reader, I have seen the same Batman over, and over, and over again. It's okay to mix things up and do something a little different on occasion. Not everything has to follow nerd law to be good and entertaining.
This has nothing to do with mixing things up. This is about Batman'score character. The no kill rule makes for interesting moral dilemmas as seen in comics, movies and shows.
If you take that away, there's no point in a Batman.
Well we know of two right? This one and the cut Green Lantern scene.
Pete Holmes is the Batman we deserve. Lol. Love every one of those sketches.
But there is. Batman is more than a no kill rule lol and has killed people in the past. Just chill, relax, and just enjoy it. It's okay to do something different with a character that's been done to death already.
Batman has killed in most of his other movie appearances though, how is that a different take?
Doing the character right, now that's something that hasn't been done to death - let's give that a whirl.
Exactly!
I would also add that in the context of late 80s and early 90s action movie heroes, Burton's Batman movies were not seen as too violent.
Turning Batman into Punisher is plain boring anyway.
I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. This is just one of 4, soon to be 5, different live-action takes on Batman.
The no-kill rule has it's own set of baggage and issues that are damning as, if not more, killing someone. Something that has been pointed out hundreds of time already among comic fans.
There are many thing that, together, form the concept of Batman as a character. Changing one or 2 things does not make him cease to be Batman.
You can argue he has but it's never quite so well, part of his character, it's more shit happens in action scenes. Snyder makes it obvious he kills and is a killer, you can't really say that for the others, Batman Returns strong man aside but it's so tongue in cheek, can let it slide.
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Doing something different is not the same as taking away a fundamental element of that character. Otherwise that's missing the point of the character from the get go.
Not sure what you mean by "damning" and baggage from the no-kill rule. If you're talking about the whole "why doesn't Batman kill Joker" comic takes, the entire point is in the diametrically-opposing relationship between the two. Not everything has to be tied to realism, especially with fictional works. Especially as Batman stories show that Joker is constantly trying to break Batman down, while Batman has no choice but to be incorruptible. If you have a Batman that kills, then this relationship is nonexistent and the answer to the story is a simple bullet to the Joker's head. That's not compelling, and makes Batman no different to characters like the Punisher.
If anything, that's infinitely more ridiculous from a storytelling standpoint than a no-kill rule. The fact that you minimize the no-kill rule which has been core to Batman's characters for decades as "changing one/two things" is quite sad.
By that logic, why not change the Wayne deaths origin into one where Bruce becomes Batman simply because the Waynes fell into their accidental deaths. Clearly you will disagree because the origin is fundamental to the character.
outside of Kilmer and Clooney, no movie Batman adheres to the no kill rule with Keaton's still taking top honor as the most blood thirsty Batman.
Batman's "core" is very murdery. First appearance. Murder. First issue. Murder.
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Every Comic Book Where Batman Kills (In Chronological Order)
Originally, the dark knight had no misgivings about offing his enemies – as evidenced by some of his early missions in Detective Comics.
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Imagine having to bring up an example of Batman killing in comics from 100 years ago. It's almost like characters evolve form their initial debut or something (or in Batman's case, the morality group saying that they do no want Batman portrayed as a criminal)
Again, you're gonna have to specify which movie Batman you want to use as an example. Keaton's Batman tossed bombs at people, lit one guy on fire til he died, and a whole host of other things.
Bale Batman droned people from above and killed countless.
Kilmer and Clooney were the only on screen Batman's to adhere.
the most popular movie batmen more or less kill.
Pretty sure Batsy has a kill count every decade. This whole 'Batman must never kill' thing is probably more Animated Saturday morning cartoon version.
Batman's "core" is very murdery. First appearance. Murder. First issue. Murder.
.Every Comic Book Where Batman Kills (In Chronological Order)
Originally, the dark knight had no misgivings about offing his enemies – as evidenced by some of his early missions in Detective Comics.
Nah.
It's just been a rule for almost 80 years that started in the comics.
