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PS5 Speculation |OT12| - Aw hell, Transistor's running this again?
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Oh I see, I always thought those IP adresses were tied to machines where testing was done, which would not prevent a test on some *virtual model being done on them and the IP still showing on the data.
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That was my impression, given how it was labeled in the file. I don't know for certain.
Another implication is that all those test results that were found, including the >20k firescore were all model results.
It would also indicate Oberon B0 in the V dev-kit.
I am not sure I buy this.
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Months ago when we first heard about it. It's been damaged goods for a while IMO.
Hmmm...just speculating from the surface, but would it be possible for Oberon B0 to be a model revision of a virtual device?
It just seems odd for a revision of a virtual device to be a final chip in a console. I would think they would rename it. Maybe they did.
Possible but unlikely as we found IP addresses for three physical units named Oberon 1, 2, 3...
And what was in the silver tower dev kit? What was in the V dev kit? And tested in fire strike? Not sure about anything at this point,except that PS5 is going to be amazing.
Instead of speculating what the guy Randy is posting on twitter I never understand why nobody has the idea to challenge/ask those guys on twitter directly.
I asked (again) and guess what, he is speculating. It is not a claim, it is his theory. And such kind of theories are likely to be not accurate, just like the last one just in the recent days.
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Randy @Carthemanbra
Replying to @WrexTheNerd
This is just speculation, obviously, ...
I asked (again) and guess what, he is speculating. It is not a claim, it is his theory. And such kind of theories are likely to be not accurate, just like the last one just in the recent days.
To III-V BlacknGoldBlood wowbaggerBR
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Randy @Carthemanbra
Replying to @WrexTheNerd
This is just speculation, obviously, ...
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Why do IP addresses need to be associated to physical devices and not virtual machines?
Matt also said the development hasn't been smooth.
Still this situation isn't unusual for Halo so hopefully it comes together and makes launch, or if not gets the extra time it needs. Would love to see Halo make a comeback like GOW did.
Not required, but none of the c.models had the same treatment.
We understand it is speculation. I am not at my desk and am going by memory at the moment. A few of the inconsistencies he mentioned we had found in the past as well, and did not seriously consider as it did not Fit well with the thinking at the time.
A large part of this theory is tied to recent finding, that OberonA0 was associated with CPU-ID 8F40. However, I believe that Ariel_B0 is associated with 8F10 in GitHub, which works with our current understanding.
Now I am not in agreement with him yet, will need to look over my notes tomorrow. At this point I am thinking OberonA0 may have been c.model only.
people just want any information or scoop they can get. Even if its just from some goober on twitter.
i dont think its offensive? But anyway its just a light hearted term for a silly person. Im just saying i think people will take any "news" they can get with how quiet everyone is being. Even if its just from a random person online.
i dont think there's anything wrong with calling them goobers, but we can just agree to disagree. With everything thats going on now, i dont have the debate in me lol.
Doesn't that also pretty much extend to everyone on this very forum?
"Virtualized stepping" is most likely running synthesized logic on FPGA. This lets them to test out the soundness of their logic design without the huge cost of actually manufacturing silicon.
This is the general flow of silicon design. It doesn't matter whether the test is conducted on actual silicon or FPGA, we knew the high-level design is done, as we saw in the sheets that theoretical values and test patterns are all set. If the virtual stepping of Oberon A0 is indicative of anything, I'd say AMD is committed to the specifications!
Nice! Thanks for the reply and the info.
Is this something a lot of companies do? Seems like it would save time and money, but I don't know how accurate it would be.
It's the end of the World, and here I am, still thinking about mah flops. 🙃
A Wired article amidst the surrounding chaos would do me good. Definitely. But that won't happen, will it? 😔
A Wired article amidst the surrounding chaos would do me good. Definitely. But that won't happen, will it? 😔
Yes, this let them find bugs and design flaws early, which, regarding the size of their projects, is far less costly than making a new silicon to test for every revision. But it has its limitation, testing on real silicon is still absolutely necessary, as the manufacturing process will determine the electrical performance characteristics of the silicon, which in turn affects final performance (e.g. how conductive are the physical transistors → how high can frequency go).
The same in The Netherlands... Restaurants (at least the physical ones where people can sit down), nurseries, schools and all kinds of gathering places like gyms, sport clubs en stuff. Even libraries are shutting down. So yeah fun times..... and idiots are stocking up on stuff without it being needed and only bring problems with it. There is enough food and products..... for weeks and weeks on end.
I see.
So they can virtualize some stuff and check the results, and then make a physical iteration for testing, then virtualize some changes to that, and sort of get it closer and closer to the final product before finalizing it and signing off on it?
I think I'm becoming so starved for PS5 news that I'm starting to become more interested in a lot of the tech stuff within the hardware industry now.
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Don't know his source (github leak or another files), but also interesting.
It will never die... Even when Sony comes out and says it's a 14tf system ( :) ) people will still call it a <9.2tf system.... Look at the previous OT... It always comes down to <9.2tf hahah even before the "mighty github"..... Its just the way of life :D...
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Don't know his source (github leak or another files), but also interesting.
Hardware designing is really similar to software. Instead of laying out components on a blueprint by hand, you code in Hardware Description Language like Verilog or VHDL, then you "compile" (synthesize) your HDL code into some form of gate level description, which can then be burnt onto a FPGA for testing or put into other CAD softwares for, e.g. floor planning, all before a mask is made and sent to foundries like TSMC. Pure software simulation also exists, though they are obviously slower than FPGAs.
Many principles for software engineering therefore also apply to hardware design.
I feel like Sony has missed the best time for announcement, as COVID-19 goes rampant, but we really cannot blame them, it's unlucky for everyone.
Kind of makes sense that the Oberon steppings were virtual simply because there were way too many steppings for each of those to be different silicon.
Changes nothing as far as I can tell given B0 is a real chip afaik
also according to KugaiCalo sims don't mean it's not real.
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Haha, why not. With the inevitable delay to next year, they might reveal it Feb 2021.
I think we should all get our avatars back. It's not like we ever gave Transistor a year prediction.
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I am. Just that my twitter handle doesn't match my name here.
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