The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street (Mafia) |OT| Suspicion can destroy
- Thread starter Dr. Monkey
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I'm still walking to work but I managed to catch up during my walk. I see I have some suspicion on me (and only 1 vote huh) so I'll have to spend some time defending myself. I am disappointed and a little offended in the players that are suggesting I lied yesterday about IRL stuff. (saenima and CaptainNuevo mostly). I have a job, some of you know I have been extra busy these past weeks and I don't have the time some of you do. Don't crucify me for that reason.
Feel free to defenestrate me for behavior reasons, the "fishing" for Zeke's partner or my vote that I kept on Ynnek, but please don't do it for activity =/
Feel free to defenestrate me for behavior reasons, the "fishing" for Zeke's partner or my vote that I kept on Ynnek, but please don't do it for activity =/
Why are you biting your tongue?
What is it that you want to say?
Not liking how you are framing this. FEP arguing with me shouldn't get him town points.
1. I really don't mind getting in arguments, fep and others now this.
2. He could still be scum and just tried to use 1. Makes him look like he is doing something when he actually isn't.
Me and brazil did the same thing in kingdom hearts. He as scum nitpicked with me going back and forth day 1.
So arguing with me should be nai at best.
Only FEP is trying to make me vs him a thing again today.
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You saying it is likely scum in the neighbors. This is why I said you were waiting for a wagon to form on me yesterday b4 you voted me. You said the same thing yesterday and I wasn't going to reveal my partner, so that only leaves you voting me.
That I didn't misread anything...
But not going to argue about it.
Also this just eggs him on to create noise.
It's obvious that it would be his thoughts on me/ fep vs zeke
Vote: Ynnek7
I'd like to have a chat with you, Ynnek.
I feel like you've got some stray thoughts here and there on different players, but if you could, I want to see some more concrete reads on players here.
Maybe give me your top two Town and top two Scum picks so far? With a bit of reasoning attached?
It just helps me to get in to people's heads a bit, see where they're coming from, maybe they see something I don't, maybe they're actually Scum and are just faking things. Hard for me to get a read when they aren't coming forward on their own and sharing thoughts like that very often.
I'd like to have a chat with you, Ynnek.
I feel like you've got some stray thoughts here and there on different players, but if you could, I want to see some more concrete reads on players here.
Maybe give me your top two Town and top two Scum picks so far? With a bit of reasoning attached?
It just helps me to get in to people's heads a bit, see where they're coming from, maybe they see something I don't, maybe they're actually Scum and are just faking things. Hard for me to get a read when they aren't coming forward on their own and sharing thoughts like that very often.
Mostly null. He hasn't done much that has stuck out to me. He ghosted out for most of D1 but stayed somewhat active at EoD. Looking back today, he hasn't done a whole lot yet, so yeah, wouldn't put him in any town lean category.
What you're doing is trying to egg me on, dude. I've moved on but you just keep going with these potshots. Keep at it if you want, but I'm not biting
WhySoDevious
Why does it seem like you want fep vs zeke to be a thing?
You reread the start of today and that is the only thing you really commented on other than the neighbors thing.
You made a comment to FEP that could be seen as trying to add fuel to that fire.
Why not ask fep about his other reads that would probably help solve the game?
Why no comments about my post on VA?
How do you feel about VA's responses?
Why does it seem like you want fep vs zeke to be a thing?
You reread the start of today and that is the only thing you really commented on other than the neighbors thing.
You made a comment to FEP that could be seen as trying to add fuel to that fire.
Why not ask fep about his other reads that would probably help solve the game?
Why no comments about my post on VA?
How do you feel about VA's responses?
Weak vote on ynnek but otherwise not much. Some good stuff here and there but eh. Not lynch priority but wouldn't weep at the lynch
Nonexistent to bad. He came in here today with a plea to Zeke and FEP to look past their discussion which seemed a bit naive to me but maybe I'm a bit cynical today. After that he's had 4 more posts from what the tool tells me but honestly I don't remember what they're about. I would definitely appreciate if they posted more today.
I'll start replying to stuff now and then present my current reads.
I've yet to comment on va i think. Personality wise, i like him. Content wise, wishy washy is my feeling
Just got into work, so a full reads list will have to wait until tonight. My evening is clear, though (no Critical Role :-( ), so I shouldn't have any trouble getting one done.
I'm not trying to make it a thing as much as you and FEP have been doing.
That big post about you and FEP was just my impressions and thoughts about the situation. I was absent for most of yesterday when a lot of the discussion happened, so I just wanted to chime in.
But you were quick to jump on me for bringing it up.
I wasn't waiting for a train to form on you to change my vote to you,. I was reading you as town-ish.
But not today, man. Today you've been very scum-ish.
And I'll tell you my thoughts on VA when I've read his posts again. But funny that this is the second time that you're directing people to look at VA instead of you.
Yes, continue to play the victim.
*shrug*
I thought you weren't directly responding to me? Please continue to do so. Because w/e your problem is with me, it's obvious you haven't gotten over it. And that's not gonna help me solve.
*truffleshuffle*
Come on Fire i'm not calling you a liar. I was trying to be funny and apparently terrible at that :( i'm sorry for being an ass.
Nah, I don't mind answering you. Just not going to be baited into another fight.
Right?
Nothing fishy jumps out at me.
Most of his posts are on-topic, with substance, and he's been asking questions.
He voted for Ynnek and then sought a conversation with him about it later on.
I'm leaning town on him.
This method of replying to others' posts makes it very difficult for me to quote your reads. Anyway, accusing someone of lying about IRL is bad form and it smells like desperation to dig up something to me. I know this isn't so much a read or all that negative, but it really pisses me off when people suggest someone is lying about their IRL situation.
That is a fine thing to believe and it might as well be true, there could be scum in Z-Beat or Zeke, but I also feel like there's a general undercurrent of my vote not being well substantiated or justified that I've seen go around and I'd like to address that here. This is the post I based my vote on. I'd like to get some honest, friend-to-friend feedback from people on how my vote is unusually bad, specially on D1. The reason I stayed on Ynnek is because I scumread them the most out of every other player due to their weak reads. I don't know why sticking to my guns and not scrambling at EoD is a reason to be suspicious of me.
Here's 3 reasons I stopped this line of questioning:
1. I never intended to fish for their partner, what I wanted to determine was if the claim had been coordinated or if Zeke had gotten the jump on their partner.
2. You were on him already. I don't think adding even more noise to that conversation given how obstinate Zeke was in his position. And I think that was the right call, I ended up making up my mind about Ynnek, Zipped and others instead of tunneling blindly and continue blowing at the brick house.
3. I had no read to follow as a result of Zeke's stubbornness. I told you yesterday my intentions were different than yours, and I stand by that, I think you never really got what my intentions were.
I made 60+ posts last phase. This one has been active for 16 hours, 8 of which I slept through. Please read through them, count the ones that are not game related and go on about how I'm sneaky scum.
Can you clarify what you mean by "confused on time, or lost"? I'm not sure what you don't believe for a minute about me :P
Also, I'm not posting "to shut you up", that's a weird way to make my posts about you somehow. God knows I've missed your tunneling me for entire day phases, but I'm not a fan of this one :P
Reads next.
You got anything to add? You've been about for hours now dropping one-liners but the as for content
I've posted reads on literally everyone today...
Where are yours?
Did you just completely miss the huge post that FEPs made with his reads?
My bad. I got fucking annoyed at the conversation being back at fep/zeke for the millionth time and forgot that.
I don't particularly scum read any of the votes themselves. Just as i said, parking early is not a great look imo. Would expect at least one scum in those.
If i can respond to your actual vote on ynnek, it would be that you accuse him if being safe with answers and i can see your logic. But what do you think about him giving 5 reads instead of the requested 3?
My main scumreads right now are Ynnek and Saenima.
Ynnek because:
1. The post I already linked back to that maybe people didn't read?
2. Nothing they've done since has made me reevaluate my views.
Saenima because:
1. I already mentioned it yesterday but some of their posts are really weird "concern" posts without really committing. Here:
2. Their vote behavior. Their EoD is all over the place, voting in a way that makes it seem like other players were literally forcing his hand and typing out the votes for him instead of actually committing to a scumread:
3. This post given the way the votes ended:
In his own words:
Ynnek because:
1. The post I already linked back to that maybe people didn't read?
2. Nothing they've done since has made me reevaluate my views.
Saenima because:
1. I already mentioned it yesterday but some of their posts are really weird "concern" posts without really committing. Here:
Same energy. He comes in, suggests some concern, and then moves on. It feels like he's crossing items out of a checklist.
2. Their vote behavior. Their EoD is all over the place, voting in a way that makes it seem like other players were literally forcing his hand and typing out the votes for him instead of actually committing to a scumread:
Click on the quotes for context for those last two :P
3. This post given the way the votes ended:
In his own words:
1. I will breakdown how I saw your big post. And why I saw it as bait for fep vs me.
2. You were townreading me, but you told weems that you were "unsure" whether you would vote me or not. If you truly townread me, you shouldn't want to vote me
3. Make your case. I don't mind going back and forth. That should be obvious from last day phase.
4. I have never told ppl not to look at me. I told saen to worry more about my read on VA instead of what I thought of fanto in private chat. I told you to look at VA since you didn't mention it in your post, but mentioned me vs fep.
Busy day, will probably have computer access within a couple hours, so expect a readslist around then. Still don't like Kopite and Captain, didn't enjoy the flip flopping from Vincent but they're not my preferred target, watching FEP.
Going through posts this morning and wanted to address this first since it's apparently way worse than I intended. Bad wording on my part but I was attempting (and apparently failing) to make a joke about the fact someone said Baba is You is less mentally taxing than mafia, given its reputation for being a difficult game with a lot of out of the box thinking required. Looking now I can see how it can easily come across the other way, and I apologize for that but would like to clarify I didn't, and do not, disbelieve anyone's claims about having IRL priorities and commitments (lord knows I have enough). I think the fact I said I wanted to wait for you to have a chance to react and engage in the game should be prof that I'm not discounting you and recognize you have other things to say.
That whole post is actually kinda a mess in retrospect. Was dealing with a lot of stressful work issues with bugs yesterday and got kinda mad at the tone of weemadarthur's questioning which caused me to be more sarcastic and difficult than normal. I apologize.
Fireblend: Not reading scum. I found his line of questioning to Zeke yesterday perfectly reasonable, and don't see him as noping out the moment he got clapped back on. There was a decent amount of back-and-forth, and Fireblend's reasoning for caring so much about the neighbor angle matched my own:
Nothing seemed odd about Fireblend finally leaving it alone.
EzekelRage: we've posted a billion things about Zeke. Do I have to say more? Still town. If you're an alien though, fuck you and your mothership. And hats off to you.
flatearthpandas: My biggest indication for scum in my only other game was when I saw players being overly defensive/aggressive. Panda hit my list yesterday because of this very thing, but I can also understand the frustration. It's hard for me to tell what is aggravation on Panda's part at some of the responses he was getting, and what is aggravation at possibly having been picked out as scum.
weemadarthur: No solid read. Decent amount of inquisitive posts, not a lot of answers. Still pondering:
This follows my same reasoning. It's the same move I would make as town.
Nothing seemed odd about Fireblend finally leaving it alone.
EzekelRage: we've posted a billion things about Zeke. Do I have to say more? Still town. If you're an alien though, fuck you and your mothership. And hats off to you.
flatearthpandas: My biggest indication for scum in my only other game was when I saw players being overly defensive/aggressive. Panda hit my list yesterday because of this very thing, but I can also understand the frustration. It's hard for me to tell what is aggravation on Panda's part at some of the responses he was getting, and what is aggravation at possibly having been picked out as scum.
weemadarthur: No solid read. Decent amount of inquisitive posts, not a lot of answers. Still pondering:
If it helps, I didn't enjoy my flip-flopping either. But I've seen people called out for flip-flopping (me) and others called out for not flip-flopping. Someone make up their mind already! Unless I messed up my math, I'm just going to re-iterate that at the time of my vote, I had a choice between making a tie, or getting someone lynched. Things may have played out differently if I voted earlier on different people, but...that's true of everyone.
1. Implying that this will be an ongoing thing if neither of us are voted out today. At this point we had stopped directly talking to each other and fep was being asked questions about reads etc from others.
2. Says one of us has to be scum. Again we both (and others) realize the noise it created and for the most part left it alone.
3. We both have been going back and forth, but only fep gets town cred for tunneling me? Why do I get scumread for him wrongly focusing on me?
4. No evidence other than game designer wifom. Why wouldn't fanto be the scum? Why couldn't it just be two town?
Wsd is very subtle, but to me it's obvious they want the noise of fep vs rage and would like to see me lynched.
Fireblend
1. Typing out my thoughts to see what other people think of them is not 'suggesting concern'. It's playing the game. Some thoughts are more elaborate, with reads and deduction, some are spur of the moment things that pop into my head. You're looking at the latter.
2. You're gonna have to explain what is this important context you're seeing here because idk what your point is. You talk about my vote behaviour but two of these posts have nothing to do with it. I voted on zipped after these two posts, which are not even about zipped. You chose to ignore my reasoning when looking up my posts. Here:
The 'fuck me' post is my realization that we're killing town, after which comes bargaining btw:
3. Half of this i addressed on point 2, but can you tell me why is that post i directed at Devious even there? I don't follow. You don't seem to have a point or read with any of this, you're just throwing random posts at me.
1. Typing out my thoughts to see what other people think of them is not 'suggesting concern'. It's playing the game. Some thoughts are more elaborate, with reads and deduction, some are spur of the moment things that pop into my head. You're looking at the latter.
2. You're gonna have to explain what is this important context you're seeing here because idk what your point is. You talk about my vote behaviour but two of these posts have nothing to do with it. I voted on zipped after these two posts, which are not even about zipped. You chose to ignore my reasoning when looking up my posts. Here:
The 'fuck me' post is my realization that we're killing town, after which comes bargaining btw:
3. Half of this i addressed on point 2, but can you tell me why is that post i directed at Devious even there? I don't follow. You don't seem to have a point or read with any of this, you're just throwing random posts at me.
I kinda like VA.
And I don't like your assessment of VA as much as I don't like the giant wall of text that you had ready to go on D2.
I think VA asked a good question: why not talk to your neighbor first about claiming your roles? Why not coordinate that? Town should want to work together.
This is VA's second game (though I'm not sure if he's played it elsewhere on another forum) and he's a far better newbie than I was in the GTA game.
I said back then that you looked "town-ish". And I still think that town/scum for neighbors is a possibility, so when I said was unsure if I would vote for you. I was taking into consideration that you could be the scum part of the neighbors.
And I don't like your assessment of VA as much as I don't like the giant wall of text that you had ready to go on D2.
I think VA asked a good question: why not talk to your neighbor first about claiming your roles? Why not coordinate that? Town should want to work together.
This is VA's second game (though I'm not sure if he's played it elsewhere on another forum) and he's a far better newbie than I was in the GTA game.
Kinell, talk about hyprocritical. Nonexistent to bad? What exactly have you accomplished this phase then other than talking about people being unsportinglike.
I gave my top scum reads and placed down a vote. Maybe you missed them just above?
Dude, I already explained it when you first quoted this post... that post was me chiming in on the situation after not posting for most of the start of D2.
I had no intention of making it a thing as much as you have made it.
1) Best of luck z-beat, hope you're ok.
2) So some folk (Saenima) asked me about my thoughts towards Zeke and Fantomas. I did want a bit more info on them to judge things, and I got an initial answer to it, and it's morning now so I'm awake.
That's... really surprising to hear given that Zeke is by far the most active player in the thread. The way I see it, neither of them are openly suspicious of the other, despite the claimed high amount of activity in their private threads. That makes me inclined to think they're likely shared-alignment for the time being, else I'd be shocked if they were both able to see twice as much content and as in this thread and not find something amiss yet.
Now as to their true alignment... it's either Operation Hydro Cannon redux, and an incredibly ballsy play by Scum to claim to both be neighbors, or the truth.
One thing I'm wary of is that they're both relatively active in their private chat, yet a lot of people have noticed Fantomas was following zeke's votes yesterday. Like... 3 or 4 people it seems caught on that. If both are so active, why isn't it the other way? That does seem a little forced to time like that.
2) So some folk (Saenima) asked me about my thoughts towards Zeke and Fantomas. I did want a bit more info on them to judge things, and I got an initial answer to it, and it's morning now so I'm awake.
That's... really surprising to hear given that Zeke is by far the most active player in the thread. The way I see it, neither of them are openly suspicious of the other, despite the claimed high amount of activity in their private threads. That makes me inclined to think they're likely shared-alignment for the time being, else I'd be shocked if they were both able to see twice as much content and as in this thread and not find something amiss yet.
Now as to their true alignment... it's either Operation Hydro Cannon redux, and an incredibly ballsy play by Scum to claim to both be neighbors, or the truth.
One thing I'm wary of is that they're both relatively active in their private chat, yet a lot of people have noticed Fantomas was following zeke's votes yesterday. Like... 3 or 4 people it seems caught on that. If both are so active, why isn't it the other way? That does seem a little forced to time like that.
I'm not ignoring this btw, nor the other reads i mean to do. I got impeded by being annoyed and now with Fire. I'll try to do this this afternoon.
You posted that before your reads. Anyway I think I'm the only poster who put up a full list on D1 that seems to have been ignored, but I'll address my scum reads shortly
I'm saying there seem to be too many of the first. You don't follow through on any of these.
What I'm saying is you're either very easily manipulated, or pretending to be very easily manipulated so you can later say "I didn't really mean those votes, I was swayed by the suggestion that we had been voting for town all along/others seemed to be onto something!" Again, it looks like you're not committing, more like following people.
Where's that realization?
This reads to me like you were bracing for Zipped's town flip, by preemptively saying how we could have done worse than lynching inactive town. How else should I interpret it? Am I reading a different post?