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LQX

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Oct 25, 2017
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I have no issues with the prequels. They're the first ones I saw in theaters and they were enjoyable at the time. In fact it has always puzzled me why they're hated so much. Overall I like them, especially the overall story arc of young innocent Anakin Skywalker slowly changing into what we know to be Darth Vader.
 

takriel

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Oct 25, 2017
10,221
Only Episode II was bad. Episode I is okay and enjoyable even at times, whereas Episode III is a nice ending to Anakin's story.
 

BrickArts295

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Oct 26, 2017
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Apart from EP II, the prequels were fine. I look at them more positively now because it gave us the Clone Wars show which I think it was an amazing addition to the Saga and managed to redeem a few negatives from the prequels such as killing off Maul.

I also much prefer Anakin's overall arc because it gave us an insight at both the Emperor, the state of the Republic and the arogance of the Jedi. Most may find them boring but they because somewhat interesting alongside the Clone Wars and Novelizations of the prequels(which by the way are really freaking good and makes them almost a directors/extended cut of the film's).
 

Freakzilla

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Oct 31, 2017
5,710
I always loved the prequels minus the whole love story between anakin and padame. The effects, sounds, and combat were awesome. Plus the showed the death star and ended it so it set up Episode 3. What else matters?
 

gesicht

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Oct 25, 2017
282
The prequels were shit. Lucas is a terrible writer and he badly needed to be reined in by a good producer and a better editor. Still, whatever their problems, they had a singular and consistent vision and they kept the same "feel" (??) as the original three films. The new films are worse. Every director has their own vision and every one makes these awful fucking callbacks to the original films. Also, why are all the films so dark? Not tonally, (although Emo Darth Vader sucks) but like, the photography is dark and the colorisation is this teal and orange mess. Gah. All my hate.
 

chezzymann

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,042
The biggest problem with the prequels is that the first two (and some parts of 3) feel like a spy kids movie. Everything is off, the acting, the cinematography, all of it. I dont know how people can look past that and say they are good.
 

Fj0823

Legendary Duelist
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Oct 25, 2017
26,685
Costa Rica
I actually thought Episode 1 was ok. I like it when viewed through the lens of a campy children's movie, same way I look at something like Hook.

2 sucked. 3 isn't much better, its only entertainment value comes from actually having plot happen. You could cut 1 and 2 from the prequel trilogy and not miss much.

I feel like there's been a lot of retroactive prequel praise so fanboys can shove down our throats how bad they think the new movies are. Some of the critiques (that have popped up in this thread) don't even make sense - "at least the prequels were original!" Yes, the prequels where 90% of the action happens on Coruscant and Tatooine and they go for the most literal interpretation possible of the bits and pieces we get about the Clone Wars. As if the nostalgia pandering everyone blasts the new ones for wasn't there in the prequels:

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(can anyone give me one solid reason for why Jango/Boba Fett are in the prequels at all?)

But, you know, opinions.

None of those meant negating everything achieved in the OT just to go back to the status quo to tingle your nostalgia.

Yeah some prequel nostalgia references are dumb but nothing in them is like literally pushing a reset button on the entire universe in the name of nostalgia

Han Solo just leaving Leia fucking off-screen and regressing to a criminal who hurts the government he fought for is something much worse for the overall story than stuff like Jango Fett or losing a hand in the second movie
 

Monster Zero

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Nov 5, 2017
5,612
Southern California
Episode III is my favorite star wars film. Palpatine in Episode III is one of my favorite movie villains of all time. He stole the show and won at the end.
 
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wenis

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Oct 25, 2017
16,127
It doesn't bother me like it does you, but it does give me a good indication if I can trust a person for recommendations on media if they love the prequels. I don't hold Star Wars in any high level of esteem, but those were some truly extra shitty movies.
 

Deleted member 7051

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Oct 25, 2017
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Maybe this is the disconnect. I don't agree with this at all. Seeing Yoda flipping around with a lightsaber Is one of the worst things about the prequels.

But that's Star Wars. The lightsabers and the acrobatics and the mind control and the choking and the electrocuting people with the Force. The Jedi are and have always been space wizards.

Heck, Yoda is literally the old wizard that lives in a swamp that the farmboy goes to to learn how to defeat the Black Knight. The original trilogy is literally that fairy tale, just in space.

Folks have an odd perception of the Jedi, believing them to be these pacifist monks. The Jedi were peaceful but they were not pacifists. If anything they were too eager to battle, something Palpatine exploited and was one of the biggest contributors to the Jedi losing to the Sith before they even knew who the Sith were.
 

Eumi

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Nov 3, 2017
3,518
I'm gonna default to my standard response for these kinda threads:

Just let people enjoy things.
 

Kite

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Oct 25, 2017
670
If Twitter was around back in 99 y'all would be called racist alt-righters and toxic fans for disliking jarjar and driving the black actor who into depression and near suicide. A lot of progressives would pretend to like the prequel trilogy as a result and champion it on the news groups irc and chatrooms lol
 

Kyoufu

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Oct 26, 2017
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Revenge of the Sith <3 <3 <3

When Palpatine busts out the "Henceforth you shall be known as... Darth... Vader!" gives me chills every single time.
 

Deleted member 2109

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Oct 25, 2017
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I still remember how fucking hyped the theater audience was when Yoda fought Dooku. I was too but then the flipping started. I wish he had not even used a saber and just used force powers. Mighta been dope.

Anyway the prequels are pretty bad but at least they are full of interesting settings and creatures and junk.
 

8byte

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Oct 28, 2017
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Kansas
It bothers you that people enjoy something? That bothers me, strangely enough.
 

Galactor

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Nov 11, 2017
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There were not glimp of darkness in anakin in TPM (that darth vader shadow of the poster doesnt count) so even the title of the movie is misleading...

It was a dark subject matter for a trilogy (How a space hitler evolved from childhood to adult) but it was made and marketed for kids (to sell the toys). That ambivalence destroyed the narrative and the fan expectations.
 

Ushojax

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Oct 30, 2017
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The most painful thing about the prequels is that all the basic ingredients for a fantastic Vader origin story were there. Anakin being a freed slave from a backwater shithole is a perfect explanation for why someone would turn against the callous Jedi Order and Republic in a bid to impose order on the galaxy. Unfortunately Anakin's slave life involves racing cars, playing with his friends and living with his mum in a nice house. So that was fumbled.

Making the Anakin of TPM an angelic 8 year old was another catastrophic mistake because it meant we had to wait until the next movie before we could see any romantic interactions with Padme or friendly rivalry with Obi-Wan. I can only remember one line that Obi-Wan has to Anakin in the entire movie, at Qui-Gon's funeral. There wasn't time to waste an entire movie on Darth Vader as an 8 year old. It meant all the work had to be crammed into two films and it just didn't work. The relationship between the main trio was never believable.
 

Hex

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Oct 25, 2017
3,415
Is this one of those "I liked it before it was cool" things?
The prequels were horrible, I have tried to like them but the moment Jar Jar hits the screen in Menace, and as soon as you start paying attention to the dialogue it crumbles.
I was there in the trenches when TPM was released, I saw Empire and RotJ in their original runs, and Star Wars in a later showing. I camped outside for tickets to opening night for TPM.
We all wanted it to be good.
Hell you could even tell when you hit the toy isle and shelves were still totally full days - weeks- months after the films hit.
Everything was just so bleh.
The ships were bland, the characters were paper thin. And yes Darth Maul sucked. "Oh but dual light saber and flips!" He was lame. He had no personality and it took the Clone Wars and Rebels to make something out of him.
 

Zukuu

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Oct 30, 2017
6,809
The movies aren't good and no one is saying that, but that doesn't mean you can't like something obviously silly, goofy and bad.
I mean "The Room" is a thing you know. They just embrace the silliness and make fun of them.
 

NervousXtian

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Oct 27, 2017
2,503
Hated them when they came out.. and have tried watching them again lately but can't make it through them.

That said, my 13yr old thinks they are good.

So it's probably a generational thing.

I still love shit movies from when I was a kid.. so yeah.
 

Thatguy

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Oct 27, 2017
6,207
Seattle WA
Prequels needed a screenwriter and a producer that could check GL on his bad ideas. But at least they contributed to a larger story than themselves. ST feels like a war serial with no direction and no drama building from one film to the next, especially after 8. I miss it when SW actually had 6 movie story arcs with clear rise and fall of characters and tremendous payoffs.

At this point there is nothing Rey can do that feel dramatic. She starts a new Jedi order. We're expecting that. She kills Kylo after trying one last time to redeem him. We were expecting that. Kylo kills Rey. Surprising, but not satisfying. Rey converts Kylo. Not surprising, and they would be unstoppable which isn't dramatic.

I think the best shot at making ST into an epic feel like 1-6 is playing up the war manufacturer story introduced in 8. That's the real villain of SW. If they keep it centered on Rey and Kylo only then I just can't imagine a story that's interesting.
 
Nov 2, 2017
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Birmingham, AL
I really enjoy the prequels. Even Attack of the Clones, as bad as the movie is, the Obi-Wan side quest is too damn good.

Revenge of the Sith is one of my favorite Star Wars films.
 

Crossing Eden

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Oct 26, 2017
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there's been a lot of retroactive prequel praise so fanboys can shove down our throats how bad they think the new movies are. Some of the critiques (that have popped up in this thread) don't even make sense - "at least the prequels were original!"
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I'm almost 100% convinced that the people who praise them don't actually sit down and watch them. Because the moment to moment scenes are so terrible, the actors are arguably at the lowest point of their careers in terms of quality, there's so little emotional investment in the scenes like TPM, the one people argue is the "good one" concludes on a battle with no emotional stakes or passion whatsoever. It's just there.
 
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Crossing Eden

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Oct 26, 2017
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I mean.....he was a Jedi. How did you imagine him fighting as a kid? Did you expect him to magically transform and grow long ass legs and arms to fight?
Because this:


is antithetical to this and not because George intended the Jedi to be ignorant, but because the writing was bad and he thought people wanted to see lightsaber yoda:


Not to mention, not matter how you slice it, this looks fucking terrible:
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ContraWars

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Oct 25, 2017
1,517
Canada
Star Wars is dead to a lot of people now.

The prequels were bad, but they had new ideas and music. TFA was recycled without any memorable music, TLJ was recycled in a few spots, and turned into an over the top, poorly executed, long, shitty movie that went nowhere and deflated all TFA momentum or character development.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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They're flawed, but at least they broke new ground. They gave us classic moments such as:

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And classic, memorable, three dimensional characters such as:

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And of course, this stupid asshole:

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Yeah, screw it. I'll take rehashes every year until the end of time if that means no more of this shit.
 

Tomasoares

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Oct 28, 2017
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A fuck ton of vehicle designs vs some Paint jobs disagree with you

Like that would make any difference. The prequels use as much nostalgia as the ST (if not more), but it is just like much worse. The jango/bob fett thing, the clone wars, c-3po created by darth vader, death star plans and lots of others things that were referenced in the OT and then Lucas put in the prequels in a terrible way. If ROTJ did a terribly job narrowing the universe, the prequels were able to fuck things even further lol

I'm glad Lucas didn't fuck adding Han solo in ROTS lol
 

Brickhunt

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Feb 4, 2018
1,001
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Okay, here is my two cents about this whole thing. I was 8 years old when the OT came. I did watch SW with my dad before, but I was too young to fully grasp the themes of the OT. I had little concept of bad directing or bad writing. All I remember is identifying with Anakin, enjoying the magnificent musical score and vibrating with the Lightsaber and the magnificent Duel of Fates. I also remember not liking, but neither disliking Jar Jar. In fact, I found interesting how he made it to representative in the Senate.

I had very little memories of AotC, but seeing Yoda fight for the first time and being an absolute unstoppable beast was one of my hypest cinematic moments in memory. By the time RotS came, I was older and improved sense of criticism, but that didn't stop me from enjoying the movie. I remember being disappointed with General Grievous (I did watch Gendy Cartoon before), but I loved almost all other action in the movie, specially the Yoda Vs Sidious and the Obi-Wan vs Anakin duels. I was tense when Anakin became Vader. It is probably my most watched childhood movie alongside Return of the King.

Yes, upon rewatching as I got older, I saw the flaws in the movies I loved. There is bad acting, directing and writing. But I also saw awesome choreography in the lightsaber duels and space battles, I saw a interesting lore and worldbuilding that made me read as much SW material as possible. The prequels delivered action and intensity that I wasn't getting from no other movie franchise. Even with the blatant flaws, I can still watch and enjoy the prequels while acknowledging the flaws.

Seriously, what was there in my childhood that could deliver what the prequels delivered? Harry Potter was awesome, but didn't have action comparable to Star Wars. Lord of Rings delivered action and were far better movies, no wonder they are among the my favorites movies of all time, but it also didn't deliver the fast paced duels of the prequels.

Legitimate flaws aside, I think much hatred the prequels got come from older fans, or contemporaneity fans who didn't experience the movies like me, and that didn't like how certain things were presented. The awesome and fearsome Darth Vader of the OT was, at one point, a puny kid and later bratty teenager! The legendary Jedi heard in the OT were a flawed organization that had much of their fall come from their arrogance and incompetence; the peaceful sage-like Yoda was like fast moving light saber tornado! Those were things that I didn't mind that I saw people complaining non-stop!

The ST are better directed movies, with overall better writing and cinematography. But it lacks the things that I loved from the prequels: intense lightsaber duels, space battles and world building. I admit, I am disappointed of Luke turned out in the ST. I was hoping the would get a AotC Yoda-like moment with him and Snoke, but I got subversion and I got see it being praised by many fans. Well, that's life, and what is done is done. Johnson delivered a vision that many fans were clamoring for and I wasn't, but that's fine. I still enjoying the ST and liked the TLJ too.

I'm glad that the prequels are finally getting some sort of the acknowledging by the fanbase after almost an entire decade of bombardment. I won't ever attack any movie, actor or director like those movies, the actors and George Lucas got. And fuck everyone who is harassing ST/Lucasarts. There is a clearly difference between criticism of them (which I have plenty, just like people had plenty for the Prequels) and bullshit attacking.
 

Gatti-man

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Jan 31, 2018
2,359
Watching the prequels again they are so so bad. And I love Star Wars. I love the memes and the jokes but the movies themselves are mostly trash.
 

Yukiko™

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Oct 25, 2017
563
Revenge of the Sith is the only good prequel in that it's the best unintentional comedy ever made.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I've liked the prequels since I watched 'em. Okay, Attack of the Clones is garbage, but TPM is actually entertaining, and RotS has been among my favorites since I finished watching the series the first time as a kid. They're hugely flawed movies, but I enjoy them, and respect what Lucas was going for, even if he didn't quite nail it.


Okay, first off, this statement is categorically incorrect (among two of the most prominent characters in the movies include a black guy and a woman), and secondly, not everyone who dislikes TLJ is a fucking bigot.


Yes, of course, impossible to like the prequels unless you're an idiot.

"Too much"

The point was that Star Wars movies until Episode VII have been really white and male
 

denx

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Oct 27, 2017
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The only mainline Star Wars that I would say is truly bad is AOTC. TPM and ROTS are entertaining and I can watch them front to back and enjoy my time with them.
 

Creepy Woody

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Nov 11, 2017
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Now the galaxy belongs to ME.


I loved the prequels.

To me the sense of adventure is unrivaled. The fact the extra content of that era (clone wars, kotor, comics, games etc..) was so cool also greatly helped me have a positive mind about them, despite some dumb stuff.

I even enjoy attack of the clones. I wasn't too familiar with the OT (I mean I was, but I was very young so I just cared about Luke) so I had no expectations for Anakin and I got his story, I liked it.

I enjoyed The Force Awakens a lot but was a bit sad for Han. Thought Rogue One was the blandest movie I've ever seen. And The Last Jedi had everything to be so good (bar a few problematic Luke stuff) and wasted all of it in the last 15 minutes for no reason and it kinda killed my interest in the franchise currently. Waiting for disney to throw me a bone. (That bone is called Anakin Skywalker >_>) Doesn't help games have been shit tier too and I've had no plan to play any of them.

Exactly how I feel on almost all fronts.

In my mind the expansion of and adventure through the Star Wars universe is huge in the prequels and it's great. George is really good at that stuff and this is where the prequels shine. He just isn't that good of a director, which also shows in the films.

I miss the Lucas Arts games. Such a shame what happened to them and now having EA run the corporate show on the series.
 

SkyMasterson

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Oct 28, 2017
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The biggest problem with the prequels is that the first two (and some parts of 3) feel like a spy kids movie. Everything is off, the acting, the cinematography, all of it. I dont know how people can look past that and say they are good.
Yea, I enjoy the movies, but they aren't good. They have some great scenes, but it went against what the Original Trilogy was. Which were fun action/adventure/melodrama movies.

Though at the same time, I appreciate that Lucas went pretty far with the political intrigue for what essentially is a kids movie and is about selling toys.

We never needed all the stuff that was mentioned briefly in the OT to be spelled out for us with three movies. This is further proven, with the further changes to the Special Editions(ie. Having Vader yell "NOOOO", even though the audience got it before).