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Nintendo's strategies should not be dictated by their month-to-month stock price fluctuations. Letting short term randomness dictate long term strategy is what unsuccessful companies do.
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Nintendo stock down almost 7% after the E3 showcase (down another 5.27% per Tokyo Stock Exchange)
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Nintendo's strategies should not be dictated by their month-to-month stock price fluctuations. Letting short term randomness dictate long term strategy is what unsuccessful companies do.
I'm extremely biased towards nintendo, my favorite of the big 3 but God they are awful at these things. And 2016 nailing it? 2017? How???
And 2018 nailing it you have got to be kidding me. Next to EA that was the worst one this year. If you read the live thread the smash direct for E3 this year was not received well.
You seriously thinking they are killing it?;
Getting Switch owners and would-be owners excited about what's to come for the next 6 months is extremely relevant for them though. I know there's a solid list of indies releasing, but there are so many questions regarding VC, their online strategy, and more.. their E3 showing was baffling.
This is the one thing I'm boggled about.
It really should've happened by now.
Guess the real problem is not Nintendo's very own output but the sheer lack of both 3rd party support and any indication of a launch of a proper paid online subscription model.
Nintendo Switch games announced or shown over 1 year in advance:
Breath of the Wild: Announced at E3 2013, shown at E3 2014, finally released in March 2017
Super Mario Odyssey: Teased in October 2016 in the Switch preview video, released in October 2017.
Pokémon: First announced at E3 2017, Let's Go is coming out this year. The 2019 entires were already announced this May.
Fire Emblem: Announced at E3 2017, coming out in early 2019.
Yoshi: Shown at E3 2017, coming out in 2019.
Metroid Prime 4: Announced at E3 2017, coming out after 2018.
Bayonetta 3: Announced in December 2017, coming out ???.
So you don't think that big of a drop in 2 months is a big deal? That extra month made all the difference in the world?
2016 & 2017 nailed it when you look at the reactions to what they showed, look at how packed their E3 booth was and various other things. 2018, as was said, had the most discussed elements be from Nintendo's reveals.
Try actually considering E3 for what it is, a trade show, not an internet ego competition. Not everything has to cater exclusively to you.
When did I say that? I'm just saying your facts and logic was flawed.
We don't need to know as hardcore fans. We are the minority. People on the market, the actual consumers, will buy it when the market campaigns begin.
You just want them to do live presentations but that don't matter when it's part of E3 and the videos will be on their channel and the news reports of E3.
And of course, their live presentations are lame and their content is short in E3 to put a live conference too. This is also a consequence of Nintendo direct during the year where they need to hold content to do that.
The only argument I see against it is announcing a game like 18 months before release is when development has gone pretty rocky.
Like I can imagine that Nintendo wouldn't want to announce StarFox Racing right now if it's coming out October 2019 since Retro has been a dumpster fire the last 5 years and who knows when the game will actually release.
But like... I think Mario Maker 2 and Animal Crossing Switch probably have gone fine development wise so I don't see why they wouldn't announce "Animal Crossing Switch and Mario Maker 2 are coming [insert date in late 2019 or early 2020 here]" with a short trailer.
New news, new thr... oh I guess not huh.
Nintendo turned up to E3 and, despite trying to pretend they're not in competition with everyone else, soundly lost the trade show contest to their competitors. Not only did they not show enough new games to generate hype for the Switch's next year and beyond, but they also failed to even match what they themselves used to bring to the market in the past and thats whats probably spooked investors more than anything:
- No more Virtual Console. Despite having a well selling new hardware platform, Nintendo has completely failed to bring its back catalogue to it in any meaningful fashion. That's lost revenue right there, all while Neo Geo and Sega seem capable of leveraging their retro titles on the system.
- This also links in with their online service continuing to look undercooked and without detail. Nintendo isn't going to get away with "wait 'til Space World" on the business side of things, especially with a new CEO thats going to need to prove themselves.
- No 'New'. It's too soon for the portable only mini-Switch, but no N64 Mini, no Game Boy Mini, not much of anything. Just a lot of old in the form of "Here's Smash and Pokémon again!". No big new IP like Splatoon or ARMS, just... not much at all. Labo clearly wasn't the new hotness to take the world by storm, no matter how many "wait 'til Space Christmas World" arguments will be made for it.
- Third parties continue to clearly not really care, so that licensing money isn't going to be pouring back in again any time soon. I was honestly quite surprised at now GTA5 port or much of anything. They got Fortnite at the very least, but perhaps a little too late considering mobile and everything else did beforehand.
Going forward Nintendo need to create a software division that does what M2 has done with retro titles, and really just secure their back catalog as playable on their systems. How absurd is it that Mario Galaxy is out on the Shield in China, but not on the Switch? Pretty absurd.
Nintendo turned up to E3 and, despite trying to pretend they're not in competition with everyone else, soundly lost the trade show contest to their competitors. Not only did they not show enough new games to generate hype for the Switch's next year and beyond, but they also failed to even match what they themselves used to bring to the market in the past and thats whats probably spooked investors more than anything:
- No more Virtual Console. Despite having a well selling new hardware platform, Nintendo has completely failed to bring its back catalogue to it in any meaningful fashion. That's lost revenue right there, all while Neo Geo and Sega seem capable of leveraging their retro titles on the system.
- This also links in with their online service continuing to look undercooked and without detail. Nintendo isn't going to get away with "wait 'til Space World" on the business side of things, especially with a new CEO thats going to need to prove themselves.
- No 'New'. It's too soon for the portable only mini-Switch, but no N64 Mini, no Game Boy Mini, not much of anything. Just a lot of old in the form of "Here's Smash and Pokémon again!". No big new IP like Splatoon or ARMS, just... not much at all. Labo clearly wasn't the new hotness to take the world by storm, no matter how many "wait 'til Space Christmas World" arguments will be made for it.
- Third parties continue to clearly not really care, so that licensing money isn't going to be pouring back in again any time soon. I was honestly quite surprised at now GTA5 port or much of anything. They got Fortnite at the very least, but perhaps a little too late considering mobile and everything else did beforehand.
Going forward Nintendo need to create a software division that does what M2 has done with retro titles, and really just secure their back catalog as playable on their systems. How absurd is it that Mario Galaxy is out on the Shield in China, but not on the Switch? Pretty absurd.
Exactly, so why didn't they talk about their online service launching in 3 months and instead spend 30 minutes going over minute details of a game launching in 6 months? Why not talk about system UX updates? And even passing references to titles for the next year?
Nintendo doesn't treat the trade show like a trade show and it's worrying investors full stop.
There was a new thread but mods decided to merge mine into this because uh "reasons"™
I clarified the drops and you jumped all over me for it. It's really telling that your so desperately trying to cling on to this
The whole "it's just hardcore gamers that care about a platform's future and it's no big deal" is being proven wrong by their stock price sinking the way it has.
Investors don't like flying in the dark either.
At some point it just gets silly. You're not hurting anyone by adding say Ridge Racer and an Animal Crossing announcement to your E3 presser. MS and Sony are not going to copy you because you take a few minutes to explain your online network that's supposed to launch in 3 freaking months time. You don't need to have such a relationship with your own fan base and investors that feels like it's an adversarial one where you're purposefully trying to prevent them from getting excited ever.
The fact that you think that a thread on a forum or the internet is proof of something when the market is bigger and we can't prove either side of it is a joke.
Investors and arm chair analysts in here are as clueleas as ever. Yes Switch isn't doing gangbusters, but its doing solid for a year 2 console. And its gonna hit a YTD equal or above 20M. A 2018 console doing that much is a miracle, lets be real. I feel like investors expected the Switch to be like a mobile phone, 30M YTD with annual iterations and god knows how many whale fishing schemes loaded into Ninty's mobile eneavours. And people need to realize yes its not the gaming fanboy wet dream phantasma we all wanted this year, but Smash ie gearing up to be the next Melee, no car Mario Party is creating a buzz, and Pokemon Go inspired Pokemon(this is till causing multiple aneurysms in my nerve system) is going to dominate the charts. No one is saying it outloud, but it seems like the actual industry is legit shook with Holiday Ninty.
Investors aren't casual consumers and part of the mass market. They're investors of companies.
Nintendo sweeped game of the show effortlessly in 2016 and 2017. I'd hardly call that a lack of presence.
Is there anything else we need to know about the online service?
-It has cloud saves
-It costs $20/year (less if you share with family and friends)
-It will have free NES games
-It uses the garbage app
I think that's pretty much it?
The tournaments are live events because they have to be. They can't do a Nintendo Direct style tournament without people knowing the results beforehand and such.
The Direct format is fine, and Switch is selling really well despite Nintendo not doing a press conference at E3 (which no one really cares about in the grand scheme of things). The games they put out matter a lot more than whether or not they revealed them on a stage at E3 or during a Direct at E3.
You cannot compare movie production to game production, they are completely different disciplines. Movie production in terms of manpower is extremely frontloaded compared to game production, so advance knowledge of movies is completely common and almost impossible to withold information about.
The panic in this thread is hilarious when compared with the moronic comments Nintendo's shareholders express in literally any recent shareholder meeting - nobody should take seriously the sentiments of a market that has no practical knowledge of the company, never mind the field, they are investing in.
This is all fine and good, but Nintendo is a publicly-owned corporation. If the stock prices are dropping this much, that is a cause for concern for those putting money into the company, regardless of how gamers feel. I was fine with Nintendo's E3 and am looking forward to the rest of this year's offerings. That doesn't have any effect on the company's financial standing, though.
You can do both and the system needs some serious updates. And not going over their online service launching in 3 months was so incredibly stupid.
And I don't blame them for starting to cool on Nintendo. How the hell can you have confidence in a company when you feel like you are constantly in the dark about their lead product? I'd take my money elsewhere too.
People, gamers and investors alike want to be excited about your product, it's incredibly silly that Nintendo seems to take steps to actively block that from happening. At what point are you shooting yourself in your own foot as a company.
Once in a while you need to foster excitement in your products and especially for a platform based business where you're trying to get people to buy into a platform, you need to get them excited about the future of that platform.
http://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=6396.0
Here is a chart of trailer views which is a more objective way of measuring interest.
I am hoping the recent announcement that they have not revealed their full lineup for 2018 is gonna fix this trash 2018 for them
Hopefully by next Direct we get some new stuff announced to help this 2018 lineup
Nintendo treat it exactly like a trade show. They hold closed doors briefings for media and business partners. They have places to try upcoming products. That's what a trade show is, not live presentations.
Look at how E3 was. The pomp and circumstance of the "live presentations" with endless canned cheering and buzzwords is not a trade show. That has been capitalised upon as the Internet progressed because they knew fanboys on Internet forums like this lap it up. It has nothing to do with press or business.
Also, UX updates etc. are irrelevant to a trade show where they show their upcoming products and belong in Directs etc.
Come on, you're just clamouring for reasons to be negative now.
Jesus christ. All E3 is to you is a pissing contest isn't it?
Ok, I'm done.
The trailer is 25 minutes long.
AC Odyssey and Doom have been on commercials a lot.
This specific thing is fine.
1. NES Classic and SNES Classic are selling like gangbusters, so let's do absolutely nothing to bring our famous Virtual Console service to Switch and instead release a selection of NES games with unnecessary online features that nobody asked for
2. Some of our most anticipated games aren't going to make a 2018 date, so let's not bother to show a single frame of footage, even though at least one of those highly-anticipated games (MP4) is being developed by a new, untested studio and was announced a year ago
3. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is our biggest draw this year. Let's devote two-thirds of our showing to incredibly minor details about specific gameplay elements clearly intended to appeal to a competitive audience during what is supposed to be a casual E3 presentation
4. Animal Crossing is one of our biggest casual draws to Nintendo platforms. Let's just flip the bird to anyone asking why this popular series has been MIA for six years and counting
5. We've been offering free online services for the last fourteen years. Let's start charging people money for our famously terrible service while offering absolutely no value proposition other than "Because we know you Smash-loving suckers will pay for it"
6. Zelda and Mario Odyssey were our two big draws in 2017. Let's go total radio silence on any plans for future games, DLC, or continued support
2. Some of our most anticipated games aren't going to make a 2018 date, so let's not bother to show a single frame of footage, even though at least one of those highly-anticipated games (MP4) is being developed by a new, untested studio and was announced a year ago
3. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is our biggest draw this year. Let's devote two-thirds of our showing to incredibly minor details about specific gameplay elements clearly intended to appeal to a competitive audience during what is supposed to be a casual E3 presentation
4. Animal Crossing is one of our biggest casual draws to Nintendo platforms. Let's just flip the bird to anyone asking why this popular series has been MIA for six years and counting
5. We've been offering free online services for the last fourteen years. Let's start charging people money for our famously terrible service while offering absolutely no value proposition other than "Because we know you Smash-loving suckers will pay for it"
6. Zelda and Mario Odyssey were our two big draws in 2017. Let's go total radio silence on any plans for future games, DLC, or continued support
Dude, what? The trade shows are to show off your games but also to show what new things are coming and how you are improving things so that consumers are interested in the product, investors are interested in investing and developers are interested in developing on it. Showing how you're fixing the flaws and adding new services is a huge part of a trade show...
And Pokemon Let's Go ranked at 36th.
Both these games will still do insane numbers this holiday season, as well as push a ton of hardware.
Sure, and I'm not talking about investors, I'm talking about people on the actual market, not us and not investors.
It is? Because if so, then Pokémon Let's Go will be much bigger than I thought with it's initial trailer..
We literally have proof from two of the biggest retailers for video games in this country(Best Buy and GameStop) that Smash Bros Ultimate has huge interest and have a gigantic launch.
Jeez man
Also you really think fucking Devil May Cry will have more interest and sales then friken Super Smash Bros if we go by view count?
the smash trailer was 25 minutes long lol.
Ridley was the most tweeted about thing of the entire E3.
Fucking RIDLEY.
Smash will be fine.
And as a company what can Nintendo do in the short term, realistically? Announcing more games isn't going to raise share prices and keep them their, nor is announcing a cure for cancer. Shareholders bought in with unrealistic expectations and are now selling, its cut and dry. Nintendo has plans for the Switch, they are following them to a tee, and so far its working. Their message was clear, their path was clear, and the sales are paying off for that in many ways. If shares are dropping so much even with all that happening, then shareholders need to stop having such high demands from a company who is clearly satisfied with their results. Running the company's consumer confidence and brand quality into the ground meeting those demands is a much horrible outcome than having a couple of rough months in the stock market because capitalism is broken as fuck thanks to the mobile boom.
Anyway
It would have been nice if Nintendo showed the first half of 2019 games at e3.
Or maybe they did and Fire Emblem is it :trollface:
Uncertainty is bad for investing and the lineup this year was ehhh for Nintendo.
Announcing games does increase stock prices?
It would have been nice if Nintendo showed the first half of 2019 games at e3.
Or maybe they did and Fire Emblem is it :trollface:
Uncertainty is bad for investing and the lineup this year was ehhh for Nintendo.
Announcing games does increase stock prices?
You don't need to watch all 25 minutes to register as a view though.
You're right, casual consumer #82 really cares that in this new UI update, the top right icon now also has a menu option to allow you to put
Pokémon Let's Go was just the 50 minute Treehouse segment. When you look at its actual trailer it's currently at 12,853,642 views on the English channel and 2,170,087 views on the Japanese channel
They won in company mindshare and social presence. That's far more important than what some 50 people on a thread think. They had literal mobs of people running to play BOTW. They have been doing great at E3, despite your best attempts. And as for why they prefer tournaments over live shows, it's because their games have never been that good for fake live demonstrations. Tournaments and the laid back treehouses are far better and showing their games in coparison to the more cinematic games on Sony and Microsoft.
Maybe people are finally getting tired of Smash. They could fresh up some things by adding a storymode, but no... just the same old Smash
Folder support, save backups, etc would definitely have been good things to announce if they are actually coming
Smash Bros and Ridley were the two most tweeted things on Twitter. Ridley...If that doesn't spell something I don't know what does.
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