There's a reason why I almost always go for PC releases, and why I hope more and more games come out on PC.
It's a shame games like Nier and Demon's Souls are held hostage by how console generations are handled.
XB1 doesn't have X enchantments, that is what I'm saying. GTAV is holding off to next gen so they can release it once again.Yeah but can you imagine if the PS5 version was the same as the XB1 version running with a better resolution framerate on the next Xbox?
Playstation owners would need to buy the game for the 2nd (or even 3rd) time, whereas anyone who owns the XB1 version could just pop that disc into the new Xbox and play, for free, the version Playstation owners had to shell out 60 dollars for
yeah, I get ya. But initially at release that concept isn't going to matter as much. The knowledge that you can take all your digital purchases with you will.
BC is a pretty big deal. With GaaS and Live Service games publishers and devs want to support these games for years. A PS5 without BC would disrupt that. Also, as always with new consoles, there's not many games to play for the first year. A PS5 that could play the entire PS4 catalog would help alleviate that. And.. Sony has to do it because MS did it for Xbox. No BC won't blow over like it has in the past.I'm of the mind that BC for the previous console has a pretty small audience. BC starts becoming important for titles a couple generations back, because that's when nostalgia really starts kicking in. I'm far more interested in PS1/PS2 titles on the PS4 than I am for PS3. Same goes for the other systems. OG Xbox and GCN games get my attention, Wii/360 not so much.
Xbox One doesn't have a lot of games? Sounds wrong. And yes, the new console should primarily be for new games. But, having BC is an easy win from a pro consumer standpoint, especially when your next console is built on a similar architecture. There's really no excuse. It's not like Sony has never offered this functionality in the past.
I wouldn't care. I haven't played a PS3, Wii U, or 360 game since their successors came out.
I think they'd get criticized by publishers and devs since GaaS and Live Service games are the norm now. Imagine how bad Sony would look if people couldn't play games like Fortnite day 1 on PS5. Backward compatibility is a must have requirement on PS5. I'd be shocked and appalled if it didn't have it.
I'm fine with rebuying the remastered versions of all the remasters and exclusives I bought this gen.
BC is a pretty big deal. With GaaS and Live Service games publishers and devs want to support these games for years. A PS5 without BC would disrupt that. Also, as always with new consoles, there's not many games to play for the first year. A PS5 that could play the entire PS4 catalog would help alleviate that. And.. Sony has to do it because MS did it for Xbox. No BC won't blow over like it has in the past.
MS are going from Jags to Ryzen, just like Sony, they even had a more troublesome memory set up, and they've already said next-gen will have BC, so Ryzen is not an issue at all, MS have already said they're doing it.
There are lots of reasons why BC is worth Sony's time:
- MS will have it, so they want it too.
- It will allow them to use titles in PS Now to combat Game Pass.
- It's pro-consumer, and good PR.
- They still get their royalties from sales, and their 30% from digital delivery.
- It makes the transition early in the gen smoother from consumers.
- It saves putting effort in for porting much demanded titles.
- And the big one, GaaS. They get to launch with Fortnite, Overwatch, Minecraft, R6: Siege, GTAV, RDR2, etc.
That was the case before, but now its different.Nothing.
There are certain individuals who push this as some type of make or break issue for the PS5. And every time I see that sentiment posted here I chuckle a little. If anybody thinks that PS5 not having support for a last gen game will change, shift, or stifle the PS momentum, here in Europe, is severely mistaken.
That was the case before, but now its different.
MS is building a video gaming Netflix. Not only will it be BC with upscaled graphics and improved framerates, but you can get a lot of it for a low monthly fee even if you don't own the games.
It's like comparing Netflix to a system that tosses out every old movie from 2 years ago and no longer works. People moving to all digital purchases are going to be pissed if it doesn't carry over.
And Sony would have it if they were capable of emulating PS3 games on PS4.Microsoft has BC now, does Sony want it? Not that badly, I think.
We already know PSNow is getting download support. So they have.MS has gamepass now, they have not shown signs of responding (although I expect something eventually)
I think Sony are going through a bit of a rough spot in terms of consumer good will amongst the core audience right now, and every little helps. But sure, not a big deal.
But again, they can't, so? Not really sure what your point is.They would already get sales from it if they had some level of PS3 back compat.
Right, but XBO didn't launch with BC. It also had a terrible reveal. If they'd both launched identical spec'd machines at the same price, and one played lots of 360 games, and one played no PS3 games, that would hurt them. Not much, but it would. Same this time. Which you seem to agree with as you said the GaaS titles do matter. They're a subset of this point, so I don't know how you can agree with a subset of the library mattering, but not the full library.I don't think the transition thing is really a big deal for them all things considered, Sony and MS both sold out up front and Sony kept momentup up no problems despite no compatibility.
If it was worth it, we'd have seen it far more. No GoW Ascension, no InFamous, no Motorstorm, no Sly 4, no R&C, no Heavenly Sword, no Killzone, no Warhawk, no Starhawk.The porting effort was modest and the sales return was excellent in many cases - so I think "not wanting to put in the effort" is a bit of a non-starter justification
No one would buy multi-platform games for PS5. Not when the competition is offering total backwards compatibility between generations. Why buy something multi-platform on PS5, when I can buy it on the next Xbox and know I can play my previous games on the last generation and the games I'm buying on the next Xbox even on the next generation after that? It would certainly make it very easy for Microsoft to make a case that the best place to get multi-platform games is on Xbox. Now with digital becoming more and more important, it would be a horrible mistake for Sony.
Shallow thinking going on here.
1) Internet complaining and not showing up for preorders defeated the Dracoinian Xbone Plans
2) MS is all in as Xbox as a platform with BC, Sony loses a huge bullet point and feature set
3) It extremely technically feasible, it's still an X86 platform, you're doing more work to disable BC than adding it.
4) GAAS run the industry. Most big titles just might have new iterations for Next Gen, but the ones that don't, you're gonna force devs to release an entire new build instead of just allowing the OG game to play?
5) Soft point, it shits all over the Sony Ecosystem. Majority of PSN users are buying digital games and now you're telling them their purchases don't carry to new hardware? That's dead money. That doesn't help you at all, drives away customers.
Sony would be complete fucking idiots to drop BC
It will definitely convert a lot of people who'll be pissed all those digital purchases won't be carried over and suddenly all their PS4 games are stuck to a last gen system.
I think they wouldn't like it. A lot of people use older console as trade in credit towards the new console. Or they put the old console in a closet somewhere because they only have space for 1 in the entertainment center. If publishers don't have games ready day 1 then they'd lose some customers that they may never get back. I don't think publishers would want to scramble to have their games ready at launch.Regarding GaaS, I think publishers would love nothing more than to re-sell you a PS5 version of a game you already own and I'm sure most people who buy a PS5 would prefer to have a PS5 version rather than continue to play a PS4 game via BC.
Because a lot of these mid to late gen moves don't manifest in the market until the next system when people are upended from the ecosystem they've invested in. Everyone will take a hard look when they ask people to spend another $400-500.I can't believe you guys don't see the state of the market right now with sony not offering any type of gamepass. I don't understand how you can't see the gamepass is a non factor. Gamepass today, next year, and years later will not push console sales. If it did, XBOX would have built some momentum from the feature. But here, and across Europe, the OG cassette walkman has more momentum than the xbox console.
Yep, let's make it more trendy and put a hastag on it #remastershaming :) But seriously it's really stupid to complain about remaster when 1. you don't have to buy it, 2. most of the time it doesn't affect any publisher's output (they give it to dedicated studios like Bluehole etc), 3. you don't have to buy it.
I can't believe you guys don't see the state of the market right now with sony not offering any type of gamepass. I don't understand how you can't see the gamepass is a non factor. Gamepass today, next year, and years later will not push console sales. If it did, XBOX would have built some momentum from the feature. But here, and across Europe, the OG cassette walkman has more momentum than the xbox console.
Because a lot of these mid to late gen moves don't manifest in the market until the next system when people are upended from the ecosystem they've invested in. Everyone will take a hard look when they ask people to spend another $400-500.
I can't believe you guys don't see the state of the market right now with sony not offering any type of gamepass. I don't understand how you can't see the gamepass is a non factor. Gamepass today, next year, and years later will not push console sales. If it did, XBOX would have built some momentum from the feature. But here, and across Europe, the OG cassette walkman has more momentum than the xbox console.
Shallow thinking going on here.
1) Internet complaining and not showing up for preorders defeated the Dracoinian Xbone Plans
2) MS is all in as Xbox as a platform with BC, Sony loses a huge bullet point and feature set
3) It extremely technically feasible, it's still an X86 platform, you're doing more work to disable BC than adding it.
4) GAAS run the industry. Most big titles just might have new iterations for Next Gen, but the ones that don't, you're gonna force devs to release an entire new build instead of just allowing the OG game to play?
5) Soft point, it shits all over the Sony Ecosystem. Majority of PSN users are buying digital games and now you're telling them their purchases don't carry to new hardware? That's dead money. That doesn't help you at all, drives away customers.
Sony would be complete fucking idiots to drop BC
Much more likely is the fact that I can barely keep up with new games. There's always something that wants my attention, and if I didn't play something when it came out, I'm probably not interested in it now. Only my very favorites get revisited, and usually those ones get remastered.Maybe the reason you haven't played those games is because it's too much of a hassle to use the old system?
If they were right on your dashboard, you'd be more likely to, since you'd just see them as another game on your PS4, rather than an "old game."
I'm not sure I fully get this argument about it "converting" people. Its not like their digital purchases would convert to the other console either. If this was my main concern moving forward...I'd get a PC.
We'll see about next gen but the annoying thing in the current gen was the amount of excitement over remaster when compared to the relative silence on BC. Maybe after launch it was not feasible to implement or something but who knows how willing they will be to implement BC when this past gen has shown them how willing people are to re-purchase titles.Yep, let's make it more trendy and put a hastag on it #remastershaming :) But seriously it's really stupid to complain about remaster when 1. you don't have to buy it, 2. most of the time it doesn't affect any publisher's output (they give it to dedicated studios like Bluehole etc), 3. you don't have to buy it.
I didn't say anything about gamepass?
I agree tho, gamepass doesn't matter, it's just a nice service, tiny bullet point
Buy a game i already own? O highy doubt that.Regarding GaaS, I think publishers would love nothing more than to re-sell you a PS5 version of a game you already own and I'm sure most people who buy a PS5 would prefer to have a PS5 version rather than continue to play a PS4 game via BC.
Because a remaster is a lot different when it's an OPTION. You can buy Gears remastered yeah, but you can also just play the gears you already own. You can buy MCC remastered, but you can still put in a Halo disc and play it as well. Also, these remasters you're mentioning are VERY SIGNIFICANT upgrades. Most 'remasters' that other games have gotten are barely some token resolution upgrades. Significant remasters (Like SOTC) will always exist, BC or not.Isn't it mostly third parties doing the remasters? Xbox has remasters too like the MCC, gears ultimate edition. It's also getting dmc remastered, tales of vesperia remastered, so not sure why ppl are saying it's only Sony. ?