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Terraforce

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Yes?? Nintendo and zelda dominated the conversation and hype cycle during that year, so according to your rules, Nintendo "won" E3.
I always find this funny. One demo of a game announced years ago, and a single new announcement on 3DS that no one cares about (sadly) and people say they "won." Hard for me to ever take that sentiment seriously. 2017 sure, but 2016 the same year we got NEW reveals for RE7, God of War, Spiderman, Gravity Rush 2, and a date for TLG? BotW is one of my top five favorite games ever and none of the others would come close, but come on now lol.
 

MasterChumly

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That we only will know when this will launch. For us that can be true that they botched (not for me in the classic games) but for it to be a success for them is another thing we'll need to see and of course, their revenue will be less since it's 20$.
Nintendo hasn't put out any guidance to how many subscriptions they plan to sell. They could sell a million and it could be a "success" to them. It would be a complete fucking disaster for investors though. Considering how much money Sony and Microsoft make from online their expectations are higher than whatever this forum is trying to lowball. Yes some people are happy with NES games but it's certainly not going to light the world on fire and the stock price reflects that.

Edit: the untapped potential is huge and as of right now it doesn't seem like Nintendo will be able to tap that market on a large scale
 

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Nintendo hasn't put out any guidance to how many subscriptions they plan to sell. They could sell a million and it could be a "success" to them. It would be a complete fucking disaster for investors though. Considering how much money Sony and Microsoft make from online their expectations are higher than whatever this forum is trying to lowball. Yes some people are happy with NES games but it's certainly not going to light the world on fire and the stock price reflects that.

That's why I separated my vision and what it is for the market. Either way, it's too soon to talk about that for botched when it's not even released.

And I never said anything about their stock in relation to this or that. I don't know why the focus on it. I'm not making an argument about them making the stock higher or not.
 

Renna Hazel

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Online subscription has to be a part of it also. Online is an absolute massive cash cow for both Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo is in prime position to get that kind of money as well and somehow managed to botch it so far.
It's...not even available yet? How did they botch it? Millions of people will be on board once it actually releases.
 

Skittzo

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Honestly part of me thinks investors may be worried that the online service price is too low. $20 a year is not all that much revenue per person, and Nintendo could be monetizing their back catalog for much more than that if they offer the games a la carte.

It's great value for consumers but investors don't tend to concern themselves with how consumers feel about value.
 

MasterChumly

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That's why I separated my vision and what it is for the market. Either way, it's too soon to talk about that for botched when it's not even released.

And I never said anything about their stock in relation to this or that. I don't know why the focus on it. I'm not making an argument about them making the stock higher or not.
We're in a stock price thread which is why my post was specifically relating to their stock price and nothing else. My point is only that I don't believe investors are excited for their online service as currently revealed as being a huge cash cow like it is for other companies.
 

LifeLine

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Expecting a incoming Direct which is just a PowerPoint of title cards of games barely in develoment.
 

Terraforce

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They somehow managed to make something which costs $20 a year look like bad value for money.
Sure. But that don't mean anything for the actual results and people paying for it. It's crazy to call it like that when it's not even out and we don't know the numbers of it and how it do or does.
I'll be curious to see what the actual numbers look like for their online service. I know Playstation 4 has nearly 50% signed up with their service. I wonder if the cheap entry fee and retro games will be enough for Nintendo to get as many on board.
 

mugurumakensei

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Honestly part of me thinks investors may be worried that the online service price is too low. $20 a year is not all that much revenue per person, and Nintendo could be monetizing their back catalog for much more than that if they offer the games a la carte.

It's great value for consumers but investors don't tend to concern themselves with how consumers feel about value.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's a combination of price too low + potential for another delay.
 

MasterChumly

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Sure. But that don't mean anything for the actual results and people paying for it. It's crazy to call it like that when it's not even out and we don't know the numbers of it and how it do or does.
We're in a stock price thread. Investors trade based off how well they think products and services will do BEFORE they are released in addition to the obvious when products and services do better or worse than expectations.
 

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I'll be curious to see what the actual numbers look like for their online service. I know Playstation 4 has nearly 50% signed up with their service. I wonder if the cheap entry fee and retro games will be enough for Nintendo to get as many on board.

PS4 have this numbers after years since they began to offer a paid service. In the beginning it wasn't really like that, it got some time to reach this. It's doubtful that such a number will happen for Nintendo.
 

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It does in this case though, because I'm reading some interesting discussion about Nintendo's decisions and possible moves going forward, like them taking their time with mobile investments for example and not being completely aggressive in that market, but this "Do you guys also pay attention to these 2 other companies' stocks? Huh? Do you?" rhetoric just tries to write off any kind of commentary and discussion about the topic, it's not really a question asked in good faith and you know that.

Yeah and I think that's what's most important for the time being, Switch is a healthy console and its outlook is looking great, plus its second year in the market is just starting. With that said, I'm very curious about what Nintendo's actual plans for the handheld market are, but I guess we'll have to wait some more till we have more solid statements in that regard.
It was legit before you spinned it, sure
 

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We're in a stock price thread. Investors trade based off how well they think products and services will do BEFORE they are released in addition to the obvious when products and services do better or worse than expectations.

We're in a stock thread but not everything discussed here are related to stock. Including the word botched which don't mean anything until the actual results..
 
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Honestly part of me thinks investors may be worried that the online service price is too low. $20 a year is not all that much revenue per person, and Nintendo could be monetizing their back catalog for much more than that if they offer the games a la carte.

It's great value for consumers but investors don't tend to concern themselves with how consumers feel about value.

"Great value for consumers" only if Nintendo actually releases a decent amount of games on the service.

We'll see...
 

KratosEnergyDrink

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They somehow managed to make something which costs $20 a year look like bad value for money.

Perhaps "somehow" for some era reader that never gonna use it because they are switchless anyway.

The common sense in the gamer mainstream (if they even think about it, most will not think about it and just pay the money) is that is inexpensive respectively good value.
 

Skittzo

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"Great value for consumers" only if Nintendo actually releases a decent amount of games on the service.

We'll see...

NES games may not be all that well regarded here but I know several people who are beyond hyped to have a bunch of NES games with online play for the first time, and I think that will wind up being a fairly common sentiment in the mass market. You're of course right that the value long term will depend on how often they add games and which are added, but the upfront value is already pretty nice considering those 20 games would've gone for $100 on the Wii.
 

Renna Hazel

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They somehow managed to make something which costs $20 a year look like bad value for money.
I disagree that it looks like bad value compared to Sony and MS where they charge 60 for online play. We all have our personal opinions but lets see how the market actually responds before we declare Nintendo's online service a failure.
 
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Honestly part of me thinks investors may be worried that the online service price is too low. $20 a year is not all that much revenue per person, and Nintendo could be monetizing their back catalog for much more than that if they offer the games a la carte.

It's great value for consumers but investors don't tend to concern themselves with how consumers feel about value.

20$ for Netflix nes games, 30$ per year with the SNES, 40$ with n64, 50$ with GameCube and 60$ with Wii. I'd joyfully pay the 60$.
 

LJKO

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Really makes me laugh because the entire Pokemon series is super hand holding to the point of boredom, specially Sun and Moon. All the cutscenes explaining for the 20th time how to capture a Pokemon and a cutscene every. single. corner.

I had an hard time not falling asleep while playing.
I couldn't even get threw the 1st island trials or because everytime I try to train my Pokemon I completely knock out lol. The last time I've played a Pokemon from beginning to completion was Gen 4. But anyways im Pokemon hungry and hopefully Let's Go doesn't knock me out ^_^

It's not a spin-off. Gamefreak already said that it's a mainline title in the reveal. It's only a different type of title than what normally is out.
Sorry, I meant to say people calling it a spinoff because it's like Pokemon Go
 

Mysterio79

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Unsurprisingly, stock is moving up again today.

Probably has something to so with the market realizing they jumped a ledge together for no reason like Lemmings when Switch slaughtered in today's mediacreate.

Most people arguing in these threads who understand how this stuff works likely realize it's much a do about nothing with Switch's holiday lineup and Mario Kart Phone on the horizon. It's monopoly money, and monopoly discussion. Nintendo shows no signs of movement because they know this has zero future implications to their bottom line. If you suss through all the bullshit, they are healthier than have been in long time and are going to kill it.

Bad headlines yesterday, are "nintendo surging rebound" headlines in the future. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Cup O' Tea?

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The value of the Switch's online service is purely subjective. For me it's not good value for money because all I'm getting out of the deal is being able to keep playing Splatoon 2. I will likely spend about 5 or 10 minutes playing NES games before that gets old and I have nothing but pity for people who actually believe Nintendo will add games to the platform in a timely manner.
 

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Unsurprisingly, stock is moving up again today.

Probably has something to so with the market realizing they jumped a ledge together for no reason like Lemmings when Switch slaughtered in today's mediacreate.

Most people arguing in these threads who understand how this stuff works likely realize it's much a do about nothing with Switch's holiday lineup and Mario Kart Phone on the horizon. It's monopoly money, and monopoly discussion. Nintendo shows no signs of movement because they know this has zero future implications to their bottom line.

Bad headlines yesterday, are "nintendo surging rebound" headlines in the future. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, saw just now. It's probably related to Gamestop PR about Smash and Pokémon.

And also people buying the stock while it's going down, of course.
 

billysea

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You know a company is the current hotness when its stock fluctuate this much this easily. Because the whole world is watching it and betting on it.
 

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I couldn't even get threw the 1st island trials or because everytime I try to train my Pokemon I completely knock out lol. The last time I've played a Pokemon from beginning to completion was Gen 4. But anyways im Pokemon hungry and hopefully Let's Go doesn't knock me out ^_^

Who knows, maybe they really go back to the roots and make it like the old times, when I didn't need a guy to point out what and where the Pokecenter is in each town
 

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It was legit before you spinned it, sure
It wasn't and you completely know it, but I won't keep pressing because you won't acknowledge it and no one wins anything from this exchange, plus it gets boring.

Whataboutism is a real, and silly way of avoiding an uncomfortable topic though, I'll leave it at that.
 

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It wasn't and you completely know it, but I won't keep pressing because you won't acknowledge it and no one wins anything from this exchange, plus it gets boring.

Whataboutism is a real, and silly way of avoiding an uncomfortable topic though, I'll leave it at that.
I dont blame you for leaving it alone. Its unprovable thats why i pointed out.
 

Xx 720

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One thing about their online - fortnight let's u plug a mic into the jack and chat, this needs to be a system wide standard feature. I wish the pro controller/joy cons had a jack put oh well.
 

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Na I'm fine with it.

If Gen 8 wasn't known, then I'd be up in arms.

I just have concern the oversimplifications will carry over

Honestly, if it wasn't for the removal of wild battles and the consequences to balance and the backend system, I'd be all for it. Wild battles with GO style catch? That's fine. Just GO style capture? Hell no.

This brought up a thought. Pokemon's been around so long and is big enough now, I don't think they're gonna simplify every future Pokemon to Go style, but it's certainly big and wide enough that we actually can have (and need) both 'hardcore' and 'casual' Pokemon titles.
 

MrTired

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It's an exaggeration to call 2018 a bust when the Switch is selling very well and will do much better in the Fall. Even if the console don't reach it's expectations, it'll still sell very well. Hell, Switch for most of the months on NPD is ahead of Xbox One and PS4 is only in front of it because they have more than one SKU when Switch has only one so far
Your going to have to explain the logic of your statement. Here I thought it was due the PS4 being the more desirable product. It having the more comprehensive library and it a constant flow of software releases.
 

Rand a. Thor

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This brought up a thought. Pokemon's been around so long and is big enough now, I don't think they're gonna simplify every future Pokemon to Go style, but it's certainly big and wide enough that we actually can have (and need) both 'hardcore' and 'casual' Pokemon titles.
Gamefreak said as much. They used the word if when regarding sales to continue the Lets Go Series, but they know damn well its going to sell like gangbusters. Right now its a matter of when they will be full on in two series mode and how they are going to balance it without lowering the hardcore sales to single digit million territory.
 

Pablo Mesa

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It having the more comprehensive library and it a constant flow of software releases.
nah, it was just price cut in November and Riding the GoW wave this past 4 months while Switch been running close behind on literally nothing

"comparing a 5 years library to less than 2 years one"
top Cake.

but hey unless GoW and MH took Sony out of base, by the end of the year Switch would be the best selling console this year (Switch Forecast 20M ,PS4 Forecast 16M)
 

Cantaim

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Man, imagine if Nintendo had put in a nano SIM slot, and partnered with maybe TMobile or someone to get it where online MP with their service was truly mobile. Make it where game downloads are WiFi only unless you buy premium coverage, but make the 4g/LTE access free for online when subbed to Nintendo.
Would be a really cool deal if that had happened. Though I wonder how expensive they would have made the sub if this happened. Probably would be at least 60 at best haha.

I don't think Nintendo has any more plans about the online service. It will have cloud saves and free NES games... That's about it.
Sorry I meant "online service plans" as in games that can make people pay for the subscription day 1. Nintendo already has some big online games that will help get people to pay for the service. But it would be nice to see at least one big Nintendo game on the thing day 1 that is not a bunch of Nes games that have online elements that can get people to adopt the sub in mass.

Honestly, I don't think it will impact Pokemon Let's Go sales. The core Pokemon fans (those who bought a 3DS for Pokemon and every Pokemon game on it, include Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon) could buy a console and a 60$ game to play Pokemon. But people who play only Pokemon Go will never pay 360$ for a Pokemon game.
My hope with the synergy is that the families that still play Pokémon Go weekly/daily will see the game and pick up a Switch with the game so that they can continue to further their enjoyment of the Go brand with their kids/spouse.



I haven't read the thread since I last posted and oh boy did this site go ham and post a lot in this thread since I have been gone!
 

MrTired

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nah, it was just price cut in November and Riding the GoW wave this past 4 months while Switch been running close behind on literally nothing

"comparing a 5 years library to less than 2 years one"
top Cake.

but hey unless GoW and MH took Sony out of base, by the end of the year Switch would be the best selling console this year (Switch Forecast 20M ,PS4 Forecast 16M)
We were talking about this year but I humour you. It was $199 for Black Friday. I didn't know $299 was a pricecut silly me. You admit yourself Switches software line up hasn't been great. That isn't Sony problem. These are bestselling games this year in the US.

Year to Date
  1. Far Cry 5
  2. God of War 2018
  3. Monster Hunter: World
  4. Call of Duty: WWII
  5. Dragon Ball: Fighterz
  6. Grand Theft Auto V
  7. NBA 2K18
  8. MLB 18: The Show
  9. Mario Kart 8*
  10. Playerunknown's Battlegrounds^
Only two of those games are not available on the PS4. I'm comparing libraries because that exact what consumer are doing regardless of when said console was released. Finally forecast are a prediction based on information, however that doesn't mean they'll come to pass.
 
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