Says 1.5 years old library is not the same as a 5 years old one
"You totally meant Switch library is bad"
you are the special kind of people, arent ya?
Hey if you want to cherry pick market, I call to use Japan then.
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Nintendo stock down almost 7% after the E3 showcase (down another 5.27% per Tokyo Stock Exchange)
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"You totally meant Switch library is bad"
you are the special kind of people, arent ya?
Hey if you want to cherry pick market, I call to use Japan then.
They're referring to you saying "Switch been running close behind on literally nothing"
At some point we're going to have to agree whether the Switch has had a good or a poor lineup this year.
Lol yeah I know right. Imagine all this great games being announced and a demo got the dominance of the whole show. It was a surprise, really. haha
its the baffling part, as much as other E3 have been good (or bad), they have never had any significant influence in the stock of Nintendo, but this year due to a mix or Pokemon GO normalizing, Hot Takes, Snowball effect and investors being cliff jumping cows. Stocks tanked and so we had this thread were every single doom poster been working out their "logic" to try to validate their "opinions" that Switch E3 was a Disaster, that no one liked 20 Minutes Smash, that Nintendo should have show what they have in development for the next 25 years, etc etc etc.
and yes, there are still people that dont believe BOTW stole the show at E3 2016
nothing as in Hardware Driving Software, Kirby, Bayo, DK, all are great games that got a second wind but they are not the kind of games that makes you stand up and go buy a switch.
Gamestop PR basically negates the past 3 weeks of naysayer and doom posters about how "Bad E3 was"
Nintendo doesn't need nearly the strength in AAA schedule as their competitor's because the Switch hardware itself is more desirable and Nintendo's own software has longer lasting appeal.
This is why PS4 basically has the entire industry behind it, yet Switch still finished ahead launch aligned in 2017 and is projected to sell more this year. Even if it doesn't, it's still getting much more mileage based off the much fewer amount of big budget titles it has than PS4.
So Switch has to do less, to get more, which puts it in an extremely enviable position moving forward with a ton of opportunity for growth.
The question is do Nintendo Directs exist to serve Nintendo or is Nintendo serving the Directs?
You make sure first and foremost you have an exciting E3 show, then you worry about a Direct later on, you can dig into content that's further out into 2019 for that or make Directs more spotlight focused on imminent releases.
but thats what Nintendo did
No, it's related to the stock of a 100 years old company that isn't going anywhere soon being cheap. People are buying. Everything that isn't clearly condemned to fail bounces back because people buy when the price is low.
You can't remove the software from the hardware when it comes measuring desirability. Software sells hardware. This year PS4 has been the more desirable product. That's what the numbers say. You say that the Switch is doing more with less. That isn't the consumers problem, they won't get a reward for getting the most with the least.
I didn't pick the region, the original poster of the conversation did. Please quote where I disparage the Switches library I wait.
No I don't think it was a good show. Particularly in the context that this was the E3 in the all important "second year" of a system's life cycle. It's not just about what is imminent it's about displaying the software momentum the system should (hopefully) at that point be building. You want to paint a general over view picture of where the platform is going.
Nintendo completely missed the point on that.
In general they should just ease up, there are no points here for being stubborn.
There's no cookie that Nintendo gets for keeping games under wraps for as long as possible. When something is impacting your stock price and it's an easy fix, fix it. Simple as that.
If they want to learn from this, great. If they want to keep having stock fluctuations because they have a nonsensical secrecy fetish, that's on them.
Sony doesn't envy Switch. They don't even care neither does M.
The reaction to Smash and Pokemon seem incredibly strong so far. Mario Party also seems to be getting good reception. Amazon and Gamestop have seen a spike in Switch sales following E3.
And what would you say on the subject if Switch becomes the best selling platform this year based primarily on the hardware and Smash and Pokemon while PS4 has every big hitter under the sun?
The desirability of the hardware is factored into every purchase.
Yes no one liked a 20 Minutes Smash not even Smash fans because they would buy it anyway so they wanted them to show something else.
Yea it is an interesting sight to see hell I still remember the threads from the old site that spent hundreds of posts gushing about the stuff they saw from all the live streams the game had. game sold the Switch for just about every early adopter if not all of them.
And yea the posters playing up that this years E3 was a disaster are also interesting. At worst I would say the direct was a disappointment and I'm being serious when I say at worst. The direct was by and large solid for general audiences and had titles to get them excited. Like think about the direct hey showed off 20 minutes of the next Smash game along with revealing that Fortnite is coming out on the Switch the day of the direct. The only way investors could have liked it more is if a new Animal Crossing was announced for this year along with an impossible Mario and Zelda reveal lol.
"I"
and that is the magic word.
this is not about whether you like it or not, it about whether or not it made an impacts
For You: NO
For Investor: NO
For Consumer: YES
we can try to split hairs all the way till holidays but after Gamestop PR, anyone claiming Nintendo E3 didnt have an impact on the general market is just out right lying.
Hell, Smash have not dropped below Top 5 in Amazon since its reveal, and that was 3 weeks ago.
What else, that the Switch is the most desirable product this year. Again the Switch lacking the industry leading AAA games is an Nintendo problem not a consumer one. It falls on Nintendo to make its platform desirable for developers/publishers and consumer alike.
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What I think has happened is the crowd believed in late 2017 that Nintendo under Kimishima finally had their act together. That they had consolidated their software output into one platform and in very early 2018 Nintendo was going to come out with a Direct that revealed the makings of a showstopping 2018 lineup to take full advantage of this situation. Reality slowly set in over the first six months that that wasn't going to happen, and therefore, that Nintendo hadn't really changed at all. Q1 and Q2 of this year has shown that Nintendo in 2018 isn't materially different from their depths a few years ago. Particularly disappointing was 2018's Pokemon was believed to be a mainline title, instead we get a pseudo-remake/spin-off.
They kind of did that the first year though.
Big titles like Bayonetta 3, Metroid Prime 4 and Shin Megami Tensei V were all confirmed last year. If you've actually been following the news for the past year, you'd know that we can already paint a pretty informed picture of the Switch's 2019 and early 2020. In addition to those confirmed games, we know Pokemon gen 8 will be a big release next year (meaning that the franchise is committed to Switch for the foreseeable future) and Animal Crossing can't be too far because of Pocket Camp. Fire Emblem just got confirmed for 2019. Aonuma was talking about the possibility of a 2D Zelda on Switch last year before BotW even released. Pikmin 4 has been confirmed by Miyamoto. The 3D Mario and Zelda teams are likely working on their next big projects (which are probably smart asset-reusing sequels a la Galaxy 2 and MM). Retro could come next year too with the leaked Star Fox Grand Prix.
All of those are either confirmed or not big logic jumps at all. It's why it's so mind-boggling to me that people act like we're operating completely in the dark here. I agree that some released dates would be nice, but holy shit, with some reactions here you'd think we have another Wii U. Those games I mentioned above didn't just get canceled or something, the systems future has clearly been super bright since last year. I even predicted in 2017 that 2019 would be another GOAT year.
The logic is that Switch is the best selling sku in most of the months in the US but PS4 is the best-selling console because it has 3 different sku which counts more on products. Just like the 3DS or any handheld had, for example. Or Xbox One which has 3 different ones but don't sell more than Switch that has only one so far.
Which is a problem when it leads to an underwhelming Q1. People predicted this would happen when we found out about the lineup in H1 2018, that they're losing momentum by focusing mostly on ports. And here we are, it didn't only sell less than its nearest competitor, it sold less than it did in the same timespan last year. It's not like people expected the PS4's lineup to drive sales to this extent either, except for Monster Hunter World in Japan.
What consumer? it's one game that they showed 20 minutes of. Hollow Knight single handedly saved their E3 for me.
unless you let me borrow your crystal ball for the Lotto numbers, we wont know Q1 for the next 3 weeks
that same one Gamestop Claims doubled the sales of Switch hardware and put Smash as their most currently pre-ordered games.
Your logic is wrong. Having less SKU's doesn't stop your product from selling more, the PS4 has couple of SKU's (more than 3) so it sales are less concentrated. That all best selling SKU is saying. If you don't believe me I'm sure MatPiscatella can clarify.
The general consumer, hence Switch sales doubling and preorders of Smash and Pokémon going crazy.
You're entitled to your opinion and view of the lineup but don't act like your view is the only view
You can borrow Nintendo's. They expect Q1 to be weaker than last year.
Yeah, my bad. You're right. SKU also is bundle. I made a mistake in my thinking.
I don't think you know what the word disparage means.
disparage
dɪˈsparɪdʒ/
verb
- regard or represent as being of little worth.
Again, I find it completely amusing that 99% of the people using this to sneer at Nintendo are doing this assuming that their own niche desires not being shown is absolutely the reason why the stock is dropping compared to the more probable reason of the lack of mobile news. But hey, Nintendo is always 3 seconds from death.
Last year it was.
April: Mario Kart 8 DX
May: Nothing. Minecraft was the big title
June: Arms
April: Labo
May: Tropical Freeze and Hyrule Warriors DE
June: Sushi Striker and Mario Tennis
Comparing those periods, it really isn't that much different with only MK8DX being a really component of seller even if a port. But even without comparing them, Switch was still riding on the launch period of the console so I find it completely normal that it's not on the same level.
So why not show an extra title or two to stack up your presentation a bit? Details for 2018 in general have been sparse and I think investors just got sick of it.
They need to freaking relax with the damn micro-managing of information as if every thing is some top secret thing that can't shown to anyone more than 6 months out.
Show a little Bayo 3. Announce an Animal Crossing. If you got GTAV or even Fallout 3 or some other third party game that you're sitting on, show that. Maybe nudge a developer or two to announce something. It doesn't take much really. Provide more detail on your online service, specifically about those retro games.
This is not the Wii/DS era where Nintendo can just ride some casual fitness/brain fad for months on end and have investors placated that way. They need to be able to demonstrate and communicate better with a more traditional style platform like the Switch and that's going to mean sharing information more often.
They are going to have to make an adjustment here or suffer wild dips in their stock price and market cap more often.
You don't really think that they're not showing Bayonetta 3 because there's nothing to show so far? Or that they're not in an advanced state to announce Animal Crossing (even more when it's Producer is doing Splatoon 2). You're so fixated in the subject of secrecy and what not that you don't think about what is happening internally with the development of those games, if they're canceled, delayed, if they actually exist or their situation at all.
If you're curious about Bayonetta 3, go ask Kamiya on twitter. He's probably tell you why it wasn't show (he's going to rudely respond you that because it's not ready)
Doubled the sales of Switch hardware after that awful showing clearly means that was going to happen regardless. again 20 minutes of Smash but what if you don't care about Smash?
I doubt very much they showed anywhere close to everything they could have at that E3. Probably not even 40% of it.
They have been micro-managing all info for the Switch from the get go, even third party games to ridiculous lengths. We didn't know about DOOM until like 3 months prior to launch.
They can keep doing this if they want, but they get basically nothing from it (there's no prize you get for being secretive) and they can suffer the stock dips that come with keeping everyone in the dark constantly about your platform.
At some point investors just get tired of that of that and want to invest in something else. If Nintendo is smart they will look at this and say "OK, maybe we have taken this 'lets not talk about anything but imminent releases' thing a bit too far, and we can make some common sense adjustments, a 20% dip in our stock for no real good reason isn't a great thing.". We'll see I suppose.
I doubt that anything will change in their plans because of what happens with their stock with what happened in the past but yeah, we'll see in the 2019 if they'll continue to do that or not.
As to the uncharacteristic drops that ABIC brought up, I don't think it's privileged knowledge that led to selling off. Honestly I can't really fathom what that would be. There are a few things that would depress the value. Obviously investors took a gamble on Labo that's not paying off. They're probably going to have some difficulty reaching 20M. Maybe the job postings from Metroid Prime 4 and Ridge Racer directors wasn't because the games were nearly done, but canceled. Maybe mobile Mario Kart is having some troubles. All of these would impact the stock value. None would create a sustained crash I don't think however.
Rather I think it's the opposite. Institutional investors don't have any knowledge of what is going to happen. Then Nintendo shows up with a lineup at the most important event for reveals that somehow has even fewer games than we knew about, and the big investors just finally got sick of it and are pulling out.
That, or they're simply looking at the precedent, saw the stock during the Wii soar and crash and are now just figuring, okay Switch peaked, stock is going to crash, get out while you can.
I hope it isn't the latter, then I should really worry about cutting my losses on what hitherto had seemed like a golden goose investment.
Rather I think it's the opposite. Institutional investors don't have any knowledge of what is going to happen. Then Nintendo shows up with a lineup at the most important event for reveals that somehow has even fewer games than we knew about, and the big investors just finally got sick of it and are pulling out.
That, or they're simply looking at the precedent, saw the stock during the Wii soar and crash and are now just figuring, okay Switch peaked, stock is going to crash, get out while you can.
I hope it isn't the latter, then I should really worry about cutting my losses on what hitherto had seemed like a golden goose investment.
Haha I love this. Hey smash was the game most talked about during e3. Oh it must be because people complaining about the game.
Hey, Switch sales doubled after e3. That was gonna always happen regardless.
Nintendo, no matter what, they never win.
I think even for Nintendo this is something that's now being talked about in their business meetings. There's just no way to keep ignoring it.
Nintendo does give fair leeway for "creative fetishes" and "we're Nintendo, we do things our way" type of attitude, but there is also a limit to that. Nintendo isn't the Wily Wonka factory it's painted as, it's also a very vanilla Japanese business corporation.
If things are impacting the stock price like this, it's going to get the attention of the suits sooner than later
Or it means a lot of people like Smash.
I can't tell if you're serious or not...
Sure, it's possible. But like we said, we'll see in the future.
Also, about third party that you mentioned before, I think you're ignoring the fact that there's other companies in this as well and just like in many other cases, they'll announce it in other events during the year. Not everything that comes to switch is part of direct or Nintendo.
Watch both PS5 and XBnext come out with portable devices you can play on/stream to. Mark my words.
You guys are talking about Nintendo here, the same Nintendo that didnt give a fuck about investors and consumers begging them to show the NX, even when the stock was at one of the lowest point in their history, and that was during two years. They are going to change nothing. They will always ride the wave for better or worse.
A few things may have complicated that. First Mr. Iwata's sudden passing I think threw the company into a transition and mourning period, understandably and there may have been aspects of the system that still were undergoing change at that point.
Secondly, that low stock price didn't last long because Pokemon Go caused their stock to skyrocket that same summer. So that probably bought them some time as well.
I'm actually not sure of that second part, it seems to me like just about every third party project (major one anyway) is handled through a Nintendo Direct or E3 event, Nintendo micro-manages everything, it's to an extreme point that's beyond even past hardware cycles for Nintendo.
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In all the podcasts I have listened to Smash is mostly brought up as a title Nintendo spend way to much time on. That kinda was the sentiment on twitter as well. After 10 minutes the reception became more like "Is this a Smash direct?". Personally I love Smash so it didn't bothered me at first but I can see why there where so many people complaining. The treehouse this year also created some negative buzz on social media because it was mostly Smash Bros.
I really hope there is a Direct soon, I like having things to look forward to and right now there isn't that much on the horizon besides Smash and Octopath (The Let's go game I do not care about)
Yeah no. The NX begging started when Kimishima took the helm. that was in sptember 2015, Pokemon Go didnt happened until july 2016, and aven then it only just increased the stock during one week, after that, the wise investors realised that Go wasnt an internally developed title and the stock plummeted once again.
Of course there was people that complained, Im not deniying that, but its ridiculuos to think that it was a majority, if not we need to check all the games at E3 to see if the mentions of the game are negative or positive.
Not really. For example, Dragon Quest Builders 2 was announced in Famitsu, many games are announced for Switch about every week, Bandai Namco announced this week that Namco Museum Arcade Pac is coming, Take Two announced Carnival Festival, Warriors Orochi 4 was announced by Koei Tecmo in a japanese event and so many other ocasions. Of course Nintendo reunites with companies to take some announcements here and there in directs but most of it comes outside of them
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