"VOTE ON THIS BILL!"
"Forget these bills, elect more Republicans in November and look at it after"
"I never said to vote on that bill"
"PASS A BILL!"
GOP must get whiplash trying to find out what he wants from them.
I know I'm probably in the minority here but I think the "Abolish ICE" smells too similar to "Repeal Obamacare". Meaning, abolish ICE seems more emotional than practical and when Democrats get in power a big chunk of their base will be expecting them to get rid of ICE wholesale at first opportunity. But I'm getting the feeling Democrats have no real plan on how exactly to rid of ICE and what to replace it with. And more importantly, if Trump or a Republican president is still in power, how would this new agency be any different than ICE if the policy is still directed by the Executive Branch.
I think Progressives/Liberals have made a mistake by shifting the conversation to abolishing ICE instead of finding and reuniting the separated children. That should be job ONE. We're basically letting Osama Bin Laden escape through the Tora Bora mountains by giving Trump an escape hatch to change the subject. Especially when this new subject doesn't have a clear defined goal or solution. Too bad all the 2020 Democratic Presidential hopefuls aren't showing any real leadership and are more concerned with pleasing the mob.
The way ICE is run and organized is definitely a big problem. But getting Trump out of office and doing proper immigration reform would actually be a proper solution. Within the context of immigration reform, ICE could be reformed as well, but abolishing it doesn't magically fix our even given relief to our broken immigration system. It's totally fine for protesters on the streets to chant "Abolish ICE" because marches are meant to be emotional and a way to channel energy and frustration. But I expect better from our supposed leaders. They should be taking the pulse of the people and energy involved and then helping to educate them on viable options to enact real change, not just blindly feeding further into the emotions. It's how we got Trump in the first place because for over a decade Republicans decided to feed off and exploit the raw emotions of their base instead of showing real leadership.
Democrats aren't too far away...
Activist:[ "Abolish ICE!!" ... Today..... Dem Congressman: "...umm...YES! It's solely responsible for separating children from their parents! Destroy it!" *cue fundraising email*
Activist: "Abolish the Police" 6 months from now.... Dem Congressman: "....errr.....umm.... YES! Too many innocent are unfairly killed and incarcerated!" *cue fundraising email*
Activist: "Pack the Courts!" 12 months from now... Dem Congressman: "....uuuhh.....WHY NOT! It's the only way to stop the destruction of our Civil Rights!" *cue fundraising email*
If they were real leaders, they would say something like this:
Activist:[ "Abolish ICE!!" ... Today..... Dem Congressman: " We need to win the House & Senate this midterms, so we can actually conduct real oversight of those agencies. Then in 2020 vote out Trump and get real immigration reform that will address the problems with ICE."
Activist: "Abolish the Police" 6 months from now.... Dem Congressman: "But pressure on your state and local governments for real accountability with the police forces. Pay attention to local sheriff elections. "
Activist: "Pack the Courts!" 12 months from now... Dem Congressman: "That would be too distabilizing because the GOP will just pack the courts when they get in power. But help us win the Senate so we can stop Trump's nominations. And if we can get a healthy margin in the Senate by 2020, we can try to reform and modernize the Supreme Court nomination process. Perhaps term limits with two nominations per President and etc. "
If you noticed, the "leadership" responses all had longer responses that couldn't fit neatly into a slogan or fundraising email. But I just wish we leaders that are capable of fighting but also not falling into the trap of chasing slogans with no real solutions. It's one of the big reasons Republicans have been such a disaster governing the past year.
This is it. This is the worst tweet headline I've seen from WaPo.
Putting aside your *completely imaginary hypotheticals* I don't think anyone is suggesting that Democratic-led immigration reform begin and end with abolishing ICE. It doesn't distract from family separations at the border or the precious status of Dreamers. What it does do is, finally, put public pressure and exposure on agency that has largely operated outside of the public until now and utterly terrorized immigrant families across the country. Fixing ICE alone won't fix our immigration system, and no one is saying it would, but it would go a long way in ending our government's complete hostility toward immigrant families living in the US and end this pointless, power-trip policy of detaining and deporting every brown person that ICE can get their hands on.
And re: leadership -- I'm not sure what country you're living, but voters don't respond to and are mobilized by multi-sentence civics lectures. They do respond best to emotional appeals because it's their lives on the line! That doesn't mean we should make bad-faith arguments to exploit their fears for electoral advantages, as Trump and the GOP do. But calling for abolishing ICE because of its horrid treatment of immigrants in the U.S. is not a bad-faith argument or fearmongering. It's calling a spade a spade - and frankly, it does take real leadership to do that instead of hedging your words on it.
This is it. This is the worst tweet headline I've seen from WaPo.
Thanks for the heads up. I suppose he could have slithered in under the gun. This tweet seems more like a criminals alibi than a communication to his constituents.
My read as well."Look at me!! Even though I went to a hostile country on our independence Day, I still made it home in order to post these completely pointless patriotic twitter posts!"
Alexandra Petri is usually pretty funny, but you strike out once in a while.The op ed itself is trying to be funny but is instead just really, really stupid.
This is it. This is the worst tweet headline I've seen from WaPo.
I realized last night that Trump's rotten kids, specifically Ivanka or Don Jr, will try to run for President.
How on earth will GOP front runners be able to stop them when they see Trump as their new God?
Remember, this guy pitched himself as a dealmaker who alone would fix all of the country's issues.
"VOTE ON THIS BILL!"
"Forget these bills, elect more Republicans in November and look at it after"
"I never said to vote on that bill"
"PASS A BILL!"
GOP must get whiplash trying to find out what he wants from them.
I've been wondering: besides being a check on Trump, what could a Democratic majority in the House and a slim majority in the Senate accomplish? Does the House and Senate both need a majority to impeach Scott Pruitt? I know they could pass a bill that limits his ability to impose tariffs, albeit maybe not enough to overturn a veto.
It seems like if Dems controlled both chambers they'd mostly just be stopping the GOP from passing bad legislation and confirming awful judges, but would unlikely have enough people to overturn a veto or find common ground with Trump after his constant attacks.
@thehill
Mayor of Sheffield, England bans Trump from entering city http://hill.cm/iXixVZ4
12:13 PM - Jul 5, 2018
Yeah, that falls under being a check Trump, which is important, but is there anything else they could manage?The subpoena power alone would be damning. Watching Cummings alone go to work would be amazing.
If "Abolish ICE" is a weak slogan, then make it stronger. If it only appeals to a niche minority, then broaden the appeal. Campaigns and policy positions aren't born with 100 percent approval ratings and universal appeal.Any time you find yourself saying "no one is saying," rest assured that some, if not many, are saying exactly that. These slogans are weak and only appeal to a niche minority that hears what they want while hurting you among the overall electorate.
Wastemen not allowed. I dare Trump to go.So is Trump gonna go there and dare them to do something for him entering the city?
"Your friend", huh?Hey guys, a friend of mine has a massive crush on Maya Wylie and is curious to know if that's disrespectful or not. My friend, that is.
I... I mean he, was watching a rerun of her simultaneously dismantling and saving Sam Nunberg during his meltdown and my god she's just magnificent.
There was a Vanity Fair article a few days ago that talked to a number of House Republican sources and staffers who said they won't touch immigration because they have no appetite for sticking their necks out for a President who is more liable to chop off their heads than the opposition. I don't know if it was posted here or not but it was a pretty good read of how utterly inept he is at pushing his own agenda.The problem with Trump (ok, one of the million fucking problems with Trump) is that he hasn't changed his mentality at all since Obama was president. He's just another heckler on Twitter, berating Congress and "the establishment" for not doing enough while at the same time offering no valuable alternatives of his own.
The difference is that he has enough self-awareness to realize that as President he has some say in the proceedings, but all he's done to this end is squash agreements brokered between the House and Senate, Democrats and Republicans etc. These deals were often painstakingly forged after months and months and it only took one tweet from one very stupid man to blow them up. His endorsements of various plans or bills does little to help them and if anything is usually a death knell (look at the immigration vote what, last week?).
All Trump does is destroy. He destroys and then yells at everyone else for not cleaning up his mess fast enough.
The guy doesn't care about anything other than enriching himself and hurting brown people and gets his info about policy from Fox News. He doesn't have any thinking of his own to be able to contribute to policy making unless it enriches his family like with allowing ZTE to sell phones again after approving Ivanka's trademarks.The problem with Trump (ok, one of the million fucking problems with Trump) is that he hasn't changed his mentality at all since Obama was president. He's just another heckler on Twitter, berating Congress and "the establishment" for not doing enough while at the same time offering no valuable alternatives of his own.
The difference is that he has enough self-awareness to realize that as President he has some say in the proceedings, but all he's done to this end is squash agreements brokered between the House and Senate, Democrats and Republicans etc. These deals were often painstakingly forged after months and months and it only took one tweet from one very stupid man to blow them up. His endorsements of various plans or bills does little to help them and if anything is usually a death knell (look at the immigration vote what, last week?).
Well, feel free to engage in discussion, rather than one-off drive-by posts as your commenting history indicates. We have 50% fewer console warriors than your usual haunts in gaming-side
@washingtonpost
Sen. Jon Tester takes out newspaper ads welcoming Trump to Montana ahead of a hostile visit https://wapo.st/2zcJ1VZ
12:46 PM - Jul 5, 2018
I realized last night that Trump's rotten kids, specifically Ivanka or Don Jr, will try to run for President.
How on earth will GOP front runners be able to stop them when they see Trump as their new God?
Given how blatantly corrupt the family has been all these years I firmly expect they'll eventually face their legal comeuppance. They have Trump to save them right now, but if Democrats win 2020 then that is a four year period where the whole family is going to be under a microscope just waiting for them to slip up and I don't think they will have it in themselves to not do something stupid or illegal.I realized last night that Trump's rotten kids, specifically Ivanka or Don Jr, will try to run for President.
How on earth will GOP front runners be able to stop them when they see Trump as their new God?
Let the next Dem president bring charges on the entire family for crimes they perpetrated while 45 was in office should the Dems win in 2020? And actually put country before party and support those charges.
Yeah, so they'll probably never stop them...
Compared to Donald, Don Jr and Ivanka are both boring. Neither will say the outwardly racist shit he did to get elected. If they run, they won't win a single state in the primaries.
Compared to Donald, Don Jr and Ivanka are both boring. Neither will say the outwardly racist shit he did to get elected. If they run, they won't win a single state in the primaries.
@thedailybeast
Trump has officially announced former Fox executive Bill Shine as his new comms chief, but several lawsuits against the network allege Shine was Roger Ailes' chief protector through years of sexually harassing female staff https://thebea.st/2MREcUc
1:05 PM - Jul 5, 2018
He was one of those late addition cast members that may or may not reappear on the show randomly.
@CNN
Arizona US Senate candidate Kelli Ward's husband, who is a top campaign surrogate, has a history of promoting fringe conspiracy theories on social media, a CNN KFile review has found https://cnn.it/2zcaeYV
1:10 PM - Jul 5, 2018
@renato_mariotti
Carter Page is equating the sexual assault of students to the DNC's lawsuit against him. No, I'm not kidding.
Carter Page, Ph.D. @carterwpage
Definition of molest
"1: to annoy, disturb, or persecute especially with hostile intent or injurious effect"
Thanks @Jim_Jordan for bravely standing up against recent molestations that @PerkinsCoieLLP helped @DNC organize against Trump supporters like me.https://www.breitbart.com/big-gover...m-jordan-on-ohio-state-wrestling-team-scandal …
11:26 AM - Jul 5, 2018