It seems like everyone here really hated Nintendo's E3 this year. I sure am glad I like Smash Brothers and Mario Party cause I really enjoyed the Direct. Seems like the general public is excited about the Switch lineup at least.
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GameStop has revealed that Nintendo Switch sales doubled in the week following E3.
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The point it that games sell hardware. Nice well marketed hardware sells hardware. Perceived winners of conferences don't sell hardware. That's just for shareholders. the press and hardcore enthusiasts.
In the lead up prediction threads, I said that all I really cared about this year was Smash, and anything else announced would be icing on the cake. Turns out I liked the icing, but DAMN was that cake satisfying even without it.
The overwhelming lion share that is base PS4 and Xbone S were indeed $250 which is unheard of trade in value and actually represented a $70 PROFIT to the customers on the One S (Target was selling them new for $199 + $20 Giftcard that week). I'm honestly stunned Gamestop didn't sell out of Switches the first day or two of the promotion. I bolted to the store with an old S the first day and fully expected to be turned away due to no stock. I returned the Switch on the spot for full value and bought an X.
well there you have it
the reality is they shadow dropped one of the biggest games going right now, detailed their new Pokemon game (a potential 10+ million seller) which is set to release in November, detailed their new Smash game (a potential, let's say, 7+ million seller with 10+ upside) which is set to release in December, and announced a new Mario Party game (potential multi-million seller) which is set to release in October
Not really... Who wins the month is literally meaningless. How much each one sold each month is meaningful.
You can figure out who won the month if you have the numbers, but at that point what is the actual meaning behind who won the month? There is none, you know how each of them sold, you know how each one is performing relative to its own forecast/expectations and history. There is absolutely no meaning to be gleaned from who sold more in any given month.
It is, most definitely, meaningless.
Yeah, that was the bulk of it undoubtedly. I think the tiers were:
$150: Xbox One
$250: PS4, Xbox One S
$300: PS4 Pro, Xbox One X
They were also doing $100 for Wii U, Vita and New 3DS XL iirc.
Smash is amazing, people are going to be playing it for half a decade. ResetEra is like this bizarro world that always contrasts with what I see offline. The idea that Switch was going to tank after an E3 with Smash Brothers, Mario Party, Pokemon and Fortnite is crazy to me. I think from a market perspective, Nintendo nailed it.
They're missing that one big Metroid Prime type game for the message board crowd...but that wont impact their sales much, if any in the long run.
Man, this is getting weird, the console on the top spot means it sold the most, that alone is not meaningless, it won't tell us much about the numbers sure but it is not meaningless for sure.
Basically, he's saying the order gives you little indication of whether or not something is doing well. PS4 could sell the most in a month where all 3 consoles do poorly, or it can sell the most in a month where all 3 do amazing. It's not a completely meaningless metric but it doesn't give you any indication on whether or not any of the platforms are doing well or not.
But what does it matter which console sold the most in any given month in a year? Sure, I'll give you yearly or even quarterly sales comparisons, but comparing individual months between platforms in wildly different places in their lifetimes (and wildly different ways of monetizing their install base) tells you literally nothing.
Well, I guess not literally nothing. It tells you who sold more, yeah. But "who sold more" in a single month is what I'm saying is meaningless. Again (more extraordinarily unreasonable hypotheticals), if Nintendo sold 800k Switches in June and Sony sold 795k PS4s, what exactly does "who sold more" say about those two? Or if Nintendo sells 300k Switches in November and Sony sells 150k PS4s? The comparison between the two is meaningless, the actual numbers are the only things that hold meaning.
When I saw the thread title I knew that a lot of people are going to have a hard time reconciling it with their personal opinions of Nintendo's E3 showing.
It all goes back to how this all started, saying it's meaningless if it's behind PS4 which I disagree with obviously.
Yes, saying it's behind PS4 is indeed meaningless. Saying it's behind PS4 by X or Y is much more meaningful, as it gives you a frame of reference to determine how the platform is doing overall.
Just saying it's behind PS4 is meaningless because that could just as easily mean it's 1 unit behind or 100,000 units behind. The numbers hold all of the meaning, not the ranking.
EDIT: I have a feeling we're just arguing semantics at this point, I'll drop it.
I guess a whole lot of people had inflated expectations then, including shareholders who have dropped the price of their stock a whole lot over the past two weeks.
Shareholders don't care about sales?
But not a single one of those things was a surprise. Everyone already expected all of those things. Expecting more than that wasn't expecting too much. It was just expecting something beyond the minimum.
We're just running in circles by now I think., sure we can drop it.
I didn't buy one yet, but with the official announcement of Smash, I know the date by which I'll buy one.
oh I'm not saying that they met your expectations, I was just pointing out how certain conclusions based on expectations from certain segments of the gaming sphere don't necessarily take into account the market at large which is what this thread is about. sorry if that wasn't clear.
Okay, the NPD ranking is ALMOST completely meaningless. There is one meaning-thing that can be taken from it. Get a grip.
2*0 = 0
2*infinity= infinity
Math checks out doubling does nothing.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Also what thread relating to console isn't a disguised doom and gloom thread? (Not all of them are but a lot of them are).
Thank you for saying so briefly what I've been trying to say on this forum for weeks now.
We are not the majority. We are, if anything, a very small echochamber of the industry that does not represent any kind of mass-market trend. We went from "Switch will never stop" to "doom and gloom" in like a week, like we've learned nothing.
People gotta chill.
Nothing that happens on Era constitutes widespread. This is an enthusiast board in a market where there are tens of millions of users.
There are wildly popular consoles with attach rates of like 10 games over the whole lifetime and that's what era users buy in a year. Hell like 6 months.
Yes really. If you are refering to here and a few places on the internet as widespread E3 disappointment that will affect millions of users and their perception of the hardware I can't take you seriously.
Widespread has to actually tangibly mean widespread throughout the consumer base.
Why? What's the explanation behind two metrics that would intuitively seem to have some correlation (for self-obvious reasons), not to actually correlate at all? I am no more enlightened after your post than before.
How can you possibly have taken that from my post? I don't even...
Consumers buying products is what makes companies successful. Selling stock right before a sales spike doesn't seem like the mark of a very shrewd investor, especially when those units sold are going to translate into more software sales down the line.
Sure, there's a lot of potential reasons why shareholders might sell stock when a company is experiencing a sales boom (the most obvious being a failure to predict or react to that sales boom), but acting as if that's the default state of things, and therefore needs no specific reason or explanation, seems odd, to say the least.
The thing is that many people have been questioning Nintendo's ability to hit fy18 targets after E3 showing and probably this is why shares dropped. We only learnt about the gamestop sales incease now. If this ends up being a broader phenomenon also reflected in the NPD reports then shares value will probably go up again.
Widespread amongst people who watch E3. Giant Bomb called it a disaster. Arlo, a popular Nintendo YouTuber said it was not good. Other sites had negative takes.
Nintendo's own YouTube video for the E3 Direct has a 5-1 like to dislike ratio. You may think that's not that bad, but their previous Direct has a 22-1 like to dislike ratio, to give you some perspective.
Widespread isn't that and your own post of 5-1 confirms that even in the youtube it wasn't widespread.
Widespread was what happened with Star Wars Battlefront where everyone outside of internet and community knew about it. Consumers that don't look into those things saw it, people that only see those news when the marketing reaches them saw it. The population who buys games are bigger than what we have here, which is why many times there's so many disconnections between those sides.
Dude if you don't know how the stock market works then just don't post.
Out of all the famous Youtube stars...you choose Arlo...really? Arlo, the guy with the puppet and not even among the most famous of Nintendo reviewers...really.
I can see why. My little cousin bought one strictly for Fortnite handheld play. We've been playing some online matches with his brother and mine (both on Xbox One). It's been pretty magical.
The really cool part though? He picked up Breath of the Wild on a whim and played it for four three hours straight on his first session. He usually has a short attention span and hops from one mobile game to the next, so it was so cool to see him glued to a Zelda game for so long.
The really cool part though? He picked up Breath of the Wild on a whim and played it for four three hours straight on his first session. He usually has a short attention span and hops from one mobile game to the next, so it was so cool to see him glued to a Zelda game for so long.
Are youtubers really a good example to use here? If so, then we have to factor in the vast amount of popular youtubers that loved the Direct right?
These people seem pretty happy, many of them have well over 100k followers.
No no no, if they like it, then they are just shills stanning for a company. Only if they hate it are they the everyman. Trust me. This is how it works
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