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cosmicblizzard

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But seriously, don't assault kids. I don't care what they said. If there isn't a reasonable reason to think they're a threat (and thus any action would be self-defense), then you're in the wrong for attacking. And yes, throwing soda on someone IS assault.

RedMercury said:
If there are any Jewish individuals here who would like to speak to this person's assertion it would be greatly appreciated.
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I'm Jewish and I think comparing the MAGA hat to the swastika is absurd. It absolutely does downplay it and until the Trump administration has the crimes against humanity under their belt that the third reich did, than I'd rather people not co-opt a symbol of unambiguous suffering against my people as a comparison. It's just insulting and I've seen it so often that I'm starting to think the Holocaust is just a checklist for some to win "woke" brownie points rather than anything resembling true support (not accusing you of that, just something I've noticed in general).
 

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Vibri said:
People can dislike and slate Trump for being an incompetent, racist jackass while still recognizing that the systomatic genocide of 6 million men, women and children in gas chambers is orders of magnitude worse.

It's dangerous to conflate these degrees of bad, which is why people are pushing back. Not because everyone who does so is a secret Nazi.
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Whats dangerous is not looking at the parallels between whats going on and the rise of the nazi party. They didn't start calling themselves the nazi party after the gas chambers. This is what people have been trying to show others. People like you just don't recognize it, or don't want to.
 
Bandage

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RogerK said:
I've seen people use this photo quite a bit but the context is completely off. The guy's a known YouTube prankster and did that at a Trump rally to troll. In the video the people at the rally actually did not take kindly to his *ahem* decor.
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We still had MAGA hat's chanting "blood and soil" before running a girl over, sooooooo
 
NightMarcher

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Skelepuzzle said:
You did not explain how his sensibilities were fragile. Do not make an assertion if you're just going to run when someone asks for an explanation.
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His sensibilities were fragile because simple ideas and words he found disgusting and offensive cracked and pushed him to the extent of physically assaulting someone.

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If you're saying nazi ideology is irrelevant to you then yes, you are okay with white supremacy to some degree.
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Not to any degree whatsoever.

His ideology is not irrelevant to my beliefs with respect to racism, only to the higher principle that no one has the right to get physical with someone just because they don't like and disagree with what they're saying. In principle I'll never agree with crossing the line from speech into physical confrontation, no matter what it is. The principle supersedes, and as such, what it does is relegated irrelevant.

I'd love to hear an explanation as to how viewing hate speech or certain ideologies as irrelevant in standing up for a higher principle is considered advocating them?
 
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prag16

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rjinaz said:
Whew got some air. Glad to know my deep breath is what just stopped Trump from being reelected! Close call.
Prag16 dropping the vale. Weird topic to do it in, but alright.
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I'm not a Trump fan. Far from it. But a lot of you are seriously losing your minds. Your right though, not sure why I bothered saying anything.
 
HardRojo

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The message on that shirt is so stupid that I can't believe someone actually, proudly, wears that shit.
"This guy calls me an idiot, that guy calls me stupid, that group calls me imbecile... this person calls me a citizen"
 

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prag16 said:
Some of you guys should really get some air. I'd say the warped perspectives seen here are the type of thing that will get Trump reelected. But luckily for real Democrats, the types of viewpoints which are majority (at least among the vocal) here are still niche on the grander scale and probably won't move the needle much.
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If real democrats refuse to call racism for what racism is I'm happy to not be a real democrat.
 
prag16

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Jpop said:
Real Democrats, LOL.

Your posts are a joke. You come in here making asinine remarks and refuse to actually respond to any of the responses you get.

Your follow ups are just as empty as your initial digs.



But the entire Republican party is allowed to demonize minorities, women, LGBTQ ect... Okay gotcha!
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As if THIS post has any substance. Okay guy.
 
Jpop

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SpaceRipperStingyEyes said:
I don't understand your logic. Awful people demonize so I should
too? I don't like that norm so I do the opposite. It's pretty simple.
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I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice
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"I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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Every single Trump supporter I've spoken to, who supported him then, and supports him now, hates someone or some group of people such that they're going to use Trump to take that hate as far as they can. Every single time I've engaged, they've shown their true colors. This thread is good bait, and a good lot of y'all are taking it right the fuck up. Keep at it, you deplorables, keep at it.
 

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prag16 said:
Some of you guys should really get some air. I'd say the warped perspectives seen here are the type of thing that will get Trump reelected. But luckily for real Democrats, the types of viewpoints which are majority (at least among the vocal) here are still niche on the grander scale and probably won't move the needle much.
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Are you going to explain how the perspective is warped? Are you denying that the GOP runs on that platform?
 
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NightMarcher said:
His sensibilities were fragile because simple ideas and words he found disgusting and offensive cracked and pushed him to the extent of physically assaulting someone.
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He heard that his race should be exterminated by someone from a race who formerly enslaved him. Eliciting the response of throwing soda and taking his hate symbol away made him fragile?

I've been called a slur to my face by someone from a race who already did exterminate my people. When I hit him back without even thinking about it, was I fragile?
 
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Surely nobody can argue that 37% of German voters are racist? That's just absolutely ridiculous. This type of dangerous rhetoric and demonization of the working class by the left is only going to lead to Herr Hitler getting re-elected.
 
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cosmicblizzard said:
I'm Jewish and I think comparing the MAGA hat to the swastika is absurd. It absolutely does downplay it and until the Trump administration has the crimes against humanity under their belt that the third reich did, than I'd rather people not co-opt a symbol of unambiguous suffering against my people as a comparison. It's just insulting and I've seen it so often that I'm starting to think the Holocaust is just a checklist for some to win "woke" brownie points rather than anything resembling true support (not accusing you of that, just something I've noticed in general).
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Hey I appreciate your perspective, I don't expect everyone to agree, not even all Jewish people but I wouldn't want someone in here speaking for Jewish people and how they feel like that, you know? It doesn't change your mind that the people making the comparison are the same people who are doing the most to fight against the rise of fascism and white supremacy in the US? I don't see anyone here using it for brownie points or downplaying it, I see people taking it incredibly seriously and equating it to what could happen if we allow the path we're on to continue.
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I'd love to hear an explanation as to how viewing hate speech or certain ideologies as irrelevant in standing up for a higher principle is considered advocating them?
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I mean... by virtue of that is what you're doing? It's super obvious so I don't know how to explain it. If you think Nazism is irrelevant when we're in the midst of the biggest resurgence of Nazism ever that is complacency which is implicitly advocating it. It's not even like you're not wasting your breath on it, you are actively using energy to argue against those who are fighting against nazis, you're standing in the way, it's actually even worse than complacency.

Also as an aside what is your avatar?
 
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Xiaomi said:
Yeah, that's true. I teach middle- and high-schoolers and see this kind of IcePoseidon shit all the time; kids think it's humor that hurts no one because this is literally all the media they consume. What's worse is that I see this shit creeping into kids as young as first and second grade, too.
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I've seen a similar thing happen to one of my best friends of 15 years, started watching all these YouTube videos about SJW bs and now if a movie or video game features a girl prominently he shits all over it. I can't talk to him anymore :/
 
saenima

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You know what? I fucking hate nazis but at least there is no doubt of where they stand. They hate you and they tell you they hate you.

You craven 'moderates' are the worst shit. Grow a fucking spine already.
 
NightMarcher

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Skelepuzzle said:
He heard that his race should be exterminated by someone from a race who formerly enslaved him. Eliciting the response of throwing soda and taking his hate symbol away made him fragile?

I've been called a slur to my face by someone from a race who already did exterminate my people. When I hit him back without even thinking about it, was I fragile?
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Your sensibilities were, yes, and justifiably so. But to the extent that that granted you the right to cross the line from being verbally assaulted to getting physical with him? No. You had no right to do that, and nor does anyone else.
 
cosmicblizzard

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RedMercury said:
Hey I appreciate your perspective, I don't expect everyone to agree, not even all Jewish people but I wouldn't want someone in here speaking for Jewish people and how they feel like that, you know? It doesn't change your mind that the people making the comparison are the same people who are doing the most to fight against the rise of fascism and white supremacy in the US? I don't see anyone here using it for brownie points or downplaying it, I see people taking it incredibly seriously and equating it to what could happen if we allow the path we're on to continue.
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No it doesn't, because that's not the way I see it. Yes, there are a lot of people that are fighting the good fight while using such comparisons, even other Jews, and I greatly respect those people, but I see a lot more people that I'd call "performative" or not picking their battles at all and throwing the baby out with the bathwater every time something like this happens. When I see people start justifying assault in response to non-directly threatening speech and doxxing minors, it just makes me want to disengage entirely and wait out the storm on my own because clearly I've become the "moderate enemy" for taking the ACLU's stance on speech.
 
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NightMarcher said:
Your sensibilities were, yes, and justifiably so. But to the extent that that granted you the right to cross the line from being verbally assaulted to getting physical with him? No. You had no right to do that, and nor does anyone else.
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What even is this post? Soda being thrown is worst than racism. That's where we are at now. Not surprised. Saw the same thing in the Tammy thread. WATER?! NOOOOO!

Racism is bad, but come on liberals, not THAT bad!
 
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NightMarcher said:
Your sensibilities were, yes, and justifiably so. But to the extent that that granted you the right to cross the line from being verbally assaulted to getting physical with him? No. You had no right to do that, and nor does anyone else.
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There's a big line between having good old fashioned arguments and straight up demonizing someone for their race, gender, etc...

If I went up to a PoC spouting racist bullshit I'd better be ready to take one in the kisser as should all of these assholes. They absolutely deserve it
 
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Oh man the MLK qoute sweet. As if what happend benefitted minorities at all. A grown man throwing shit at a kid is bad optics. It will not make anything better for your ideology. And as a preemptive parry yeah so is the current administrations treatment of immigrant kids. The rights bad actions doesn't suddenly negate the lefts. An adult being fired for attacking (that's how it will be headlined) a MAGA kid isn't a positive in any aspect especially for leftists.
 
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NightMarcher said:
Your sensibilities were, yes, and justifiably so. But to the extent that that granted you the right to cross the line from being verbally assaulted to getting physical with him? No. You had no right to do that, and nor does anyone else.
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Dearest minority: everything is fine for me, so lay down and take it.

Hate speech is violence and will inevitably meet the retaliation of violence. Downplay it all you want. I am happy that you made it known where you stand and stopped fucking around.
 
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SpaceRipperStingyEyes said:
Oh man the MLK qoute sweet. As if what happend benefitted minorities at all. A grown man throwing shit at a kid is bad optics. It will not make anything better for your ideology. And as a preemptive parry yeah so is the current administrations treatment of immigrant kids. The rights bad actions doesn't suddenly negate the lefts. An adult being fired for attacking (that's how it will be headlined) a MAGA kid isn't a positive in any aspect especially for leftists.
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Has this been posted? Apparently the guy was arrested.
http://www.ktsa.com/san-antonio-tee...-from-him-soda-tossed-in-face-at-whataburger/
San Antonio police announced Thursday night the arrest of 30-year-old Kino Jimenez.

Police said they issued an arrest warrant for Jimenez on a theft charge.

KENS 5 is also walking back its report of its anonymous witness, adding this disclaimer to their story:

"An earlier version of this story included quotes from the alleged witness. Those have been removed from this copy due to concerns about the legitimacy of the statements."

The San Antonio Express News reports the teens say they had only been in the restaurant for five minutes for a "2 AM snack" when the attack happened. One of the teens says the video is only the second half of the attack.
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And all these it's just a hat posts are such bullshit. It directly tells anyone who is PoC that they are basically a PoS.
 
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cosmicblizzard said:
But seriously, don't assault kids. I don't care what they said. If there isn't a reasonable reason to think they're a threat (and thus any action would be self-defense), then you're in the wrong for attacking. And yes, throwing soda on someone IS assault.



I'm Jewish and I think comparing the MAGA hat to the swastika is absurd. It absolutely does downplay it and until the Trump administration has the crimes against humanity under their belt that the third reich did, than I'd rather people not co-opt a symbol of unambiguous suffering against my people as a comparison. It's just insulting and I've seen it so often that I'm starting to think the Holocaust is just a checklist for some to win "woke" brownie points rather than anything resembling true support (not accusing you of that, just something I've noticed in general).
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It's a a hate symbol. Americans don't need to co-opt anything for the MAGA hat to be an overt hate symbol along with the blue line. And we don't have to wait for any crimes against humanity because America never stopped being America.

As if everyone's else suffering is ambiguous, you just don't care.

"Make America great again" means something very specific. It's not ambiguous at all
 
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cosmicblizzard said:
No it doesn't, because that's not the way I see it. Yes, there are a lot of people that are fighting the good fight while using such comparisons, even other Jews, but I see a lot more people that I'd call "performative" or not picking their battles at all and throwing the baby out with the bathwater every time something like this happens. When I see people start justifying assault in response to non-directly threatening speech and doxxing minors, it just makes me want to disengage entirely and wait out the storm on my own because clearly I've become the "moderate enemy" for taking the ACLU's stance on speech.
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The government is placing families with children in fucking concentration camps. The Supreme court is about to be turned into a far-right puppet. when is the right time to get angry? When are we allowed to fight back according to you? When everyone else gets marched into camps it will already be too late.
 

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Hermione was the real bad guy for inciting violence against malafoy for simply using his right to speech. I also hate Indiana Jones because while I might disagree with nazism, punching Nazis is never good for optics.
 
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Ersatzkopf said:
I don't have a problem with people punching an adult neonazi but assaulting a teenager because of a hat seems counterproductive.
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These are the same people, regardless of age, who have no problem kidnapping and torturing infants. This wasn't a fucking 4 year old locked in a cage. He knew what he was doing.
 
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RogerK said:
I've seen people use this photo quite a bit but the context is completely off. The guy's a known YouTube prankster and did that at a Trump rally to troll. In the video the people at the rally actually did not take kindly to his *ahem* decor.
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Thank you for taking the time to put the proper context of this photo.
 

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