I want next gen hardware to take risks. Not be the same. Do something unique.

I would like the next Xbox Controller to at least have gyro

And the point would be...?

Yeah they did it with the PS3, they're not making that mistake again. Nintendo is the only one who can really pull off something unique, and usually at the cost of raw power.

That would certainly make multiplatform games a bit of a pain.

It's time for Vectrex to make a come back!

I want new technology as well, a big jump, PS3-4 to me feel like same era.

I'm not sure they want the same situation that happened with the PS3.
More work for devs and less chance for BC.

It's def a no, I'm pretty sure. The more standard the hardware the better.

So u want one of the consoles to fail arbitrarily OK

The most you're getting is gpu and CPU customizations based on amd x86 get over it and be happy about it that it's not just off the shelf completely

There's always the different application of VR technology. It would be a bad idea for them to differ in terms of hardware as that had a poor effect on PS3 3rd party developers.

Ps3 did that and went really well lol not happening.

Highly specialized hardware almost killed the PS3 and it's good that the industry moved away from it. Games are too expensive to waste time learning unique systems like that with diminishing returns. It's just not worth it. Let the weird stuff come from things like VR.

PS3 is still biting Sony in the ass even today (being impossible to emulate on PS4). The age of exotic hardware is over.

I totally get OPs point of view, but we see the market still going strong into the "easy to develop for" philosophy.
No one wants to go and try to convince game companies to work on a new Sega Saturn when shared tools are more and more common.

I mean, even the Switch that tried something unique was called one of the easiest Nintendo console to develop for. Nintendo doesn't want to lose its indies, I don't think Sony wants that either. Xbox needs its Windows semi-compatibility.

I think that what we can expect is more thoughts in peripherals. But yeah, Microsoft is still licking its kinect wounds, so... who knows.

Like be a hybrid set-top/handheld console that can swap between the two?

I went whatever allows devs to get the most out of the systems as quickly as possible. I really don't think anything is added having to wait years to get the best out of a console just because it has some exotic architecture.

If it adds to fidelity without hindering development then I'm all for it. I want visual powerhouses next gen.

No, give me standard hardware.

I don't care what they do as long as they have a 60 FPS option.

No risks please... I rather for them to play to stay around strongly.

"I wanna see a console use shitty confusing coding because hey it's different"

Hate to break it to you but the fact that the Xbox One and PS4 are extremely similar is a good thing. It means that porting between them is extremely easy - why would you not want that?

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Highly specialized hardware almost killed the PS3 and it's good that the industry moved away from it. Games are too expensive to waste time learning unique systems like that and with diminishing returns. It's just not worth it. Let the weird stuff come from things like VR.

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Like be a hybrid set-top/handheld console that can swap between the two?

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How about we make it a dual screen clamshell that when docked must hook up to 2 tvs!

Next gen will be super safe from Sony and MS, probably will see PSVR die out also.

You can't take risks when developing a 200 million dollar game.

I'm with OP. Would love something bespoke but will settle for decent secret sauce.

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to give more reason for devs/publishers to create more exclusive content..or just plain make it more exciting. More of a wow factor.

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Why would you want more exclusive content

Yes the PS4 and Xbox One are boring but they're boring because there hardware is easy to work with

That means less chance for BC, so no.

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Wait, locking content to a console is a good thing now?

When did that happen? Beyond console war bullshit, of course.

I am with you OP but the problem is that most people don't want to pay for that. And something different would come with a premium in price.

Unless the market changes people just seem to want the most powerful thing for the least amount of money that you can shove in a box.

I don't see that changing next gen. If you want something different for the moment Nintendo is the only game in town.

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I want new technology as well, a big jump, PS3-4 to me feel like same era.

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I'm not getting a bunch of exclusives with bad frame rate and nothing but drab colors, so I dunno. The minute I saw Infamous Second Son, I felt like I was in a different era.

Sony has PSVR.
But making the base console hardware more complicated would still lead to new problems like devs having a harder time getting the best out of the hardware(worse running multiplats) and backwards compatibility becoming impossible again.

Ultimately, Sony shouldn't repeat the mistakes of the Ps3.

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Isnt this what Sony did the last years?

You can blame the developers/publishers for creating the same games for years and copying another because they rather make a standard game then a special one.
But this is not because the Hardware is the problem...

I just want to play fun games tbh

So less chance for backwards compatibility and the platform that sells less having shitty multiplatform titles because it's not worth the trouble of optimizing to their weird hardware?

Sounds lovely.

I mean, Xbox is a service now rather than a piece of hardware, whether you have an Xbox console, Surface, Windows 10 laptop/desktop and what have you.
There's also soon to be game streaming and the success of Game Pass, and being backwards compatible over what will then be 3 generations of Xbox.

Taking a 'risk' shouldn't be just making some fancy console, but the service provided also.

Like what? You make a thread like this and fail to list any changes you want. Innovation for the sake of innovation is not needed, practical or smart.

I don't want something to be unique for the sake of it. If they find a new idea that would love gaming forward then I agree. If not then I don't agree.

I already have a PC with its infinite scaling to the power levels I want and its infinite backwards compatibility with games I already own.

I have zero interest in a "console" thats literally just a manufacturer-crippled-by-design PC

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I mean, Xbox is a service now rather than a piece of hardware, whether you have an Xbox console, Surface, Windows 10 laptop/desktop and what have you.
There's also soon to be game streaming and the success of Game Pass, and being backwards compatible over what will then be 3 generations of Xbox.

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Yeah, I think if there's going to be any deviation between MS and Sony consoles, it'll be in software and services, rather than hardware. That works best for multiplatform developers too.

There are some sensible risks that could be taken HW wise. I bet that at least the next XBOX will have a mic array build in. Sony could also take a risk and build some Freesync TVs to launch with a PS5 that supports it.

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That's not how that works though. They already have Virtual Reality as their "wow factor" thing. Do you see many publishers and third party developers making bespoke VR experiences for all of their games? A small percentage, sure, but not that many.

The mere existence of a special feature does not mean it's more attractive for devs to make use of it. At the bottom line, it needs to mean a bigger profit too. And I don't see how a "physics co processor" would give Sony such a significant edge in that regard.

Nah, take risks with the games. Make the hardware powerful and easy to program for.

The last console that took a risk was the Switch, and though a success, look at how its impossible to talk about it here without a massive argument with people bashing anyone who dares play games on it.
The previous one was the XBOX One and look how that turned out, and the way people talked about it at first. Before that the Wii U. And the PS3.
You sure you wanna go there?

I want some sort of back paddles on the next controllers, get my 3rd/4th fingers to do something beside hold the controller.

Poor Wii U.

Completely forgotten even on a core videogame message board.

Fortunately there's a company for you: Nintendo.

OP, you're acting like all consoles are white label product, indistinguishable from one another. Ever console DOES have a wow-factor. PS4 has VR. Switch is a completely portable console. Xbox One has backward compatibility, and tried to make it work with Kinect and all that, but that obviously failed.

I now have a console where I can easily help someone out via SharePlay, share clips with friends and family, and do it instantly, not to mention Suspend/Resume which is one of the best, consumer-friendly features the console manufacturers have created, and developers have an easier time with the simpler architecture, but all this isn't good enough because the hardware isn't "unique" enough.

Trying to innovate when it's not necessary is how you end up with atrocities like the Panther 6 convertible. Just make as powerful as it can be, keep it simple for the programmers.