I mean I think it's a bit unfair to compare it to the first major superhero movie with a black lead in who knows how long and the latest freaking Avengers movie.
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Ant-Man and the Wasp |OT| It takes two to make a thing go right (Unmarked Spoilers)
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I mean I think it's a bit unfair to compare it to the first major superhero movie with a black lead in who knows how long and the latest freaking Avengers movie.
The more and more I think about it, I really do think we're going to get Avengers 4 happening in the future. They've got everything set up to deal with it pretty well.
Everyone's going to think Scott dissolved in the snap (probably just his family/coworkers, depending on who survived). Scott's going to find his way out of the quantum realm through one of the time vortexes he was warned about. He's totally set up to be the audience surrogate, as the Avengers will have to explain to him everything that's happened in the time since the snap.
I think it'll be a wise move, as they can jump right to the consequences of what happened without having to deal with the immediate aftermath of it.
Anyone else think this is the path they'll take?
Everyone's going to think Scott dissolved in the snap (probably just his family/coworkers, depending on who survived). Scott's going to find his way out of the quantum realm through one of the time vortexes he was warned about. He's totally set up to be the audience surrogate, as the Avengers will have to explain to him everything that's happened in the time since the snap.
I think it'll be a wise move, as they can jump right to the consequences of what happened without having to deal with the immediate aftermath of it.
Anyone else think this is the path they'll take?
With Ant-Man after credit ending......I think you are spot on.
Yes. And the leaked promo art confirms that too. It's supposed to be five years in the future.
That post credits scene was dirty. My theater gasped when it happened. Scott got fucked hard by that snap.
That de-aging effect gets better and better each time they use it.
Thinking more about the movie since last night, I think it had some failures as a standalone film, but as a part of the MCU, it's one of my favorites in a long time.
The plot was needlessly complex at times. Laurence Fishburne's character was almost entirely superfluous and they could have streamlined things by taking him out and having Ghost be on her own or in league with Goggans' crew. It felt like they put him in as an introduction to him being in later movies. (Is he maybe in Captain Marvel de-aged, working with Fury? Possibly helps out Scott in Avengers 4?)
I was worried at first when a few of the early jokes fell flat. But I think they really found the rhythm and it's honestly one of the funniest MCU movies, right up there with Ragnarok for me. The truth serum bit was fucking brilliant.
I liked that the movie felt tense and had interesting and fun action without having world-altering stakes. Having it be a more personal story for all the characters really worked, and it wasn't just two heroes having to take on endless waves of faceless aliens, monsters, or robots.
Evangeline Lilly was great in this. I hope she gets to stick around in the MCU after they fix The Snap. I like that they present her as a hyper-competent character who still has feelings, wants, and needs. She's not just the emotionless military badass type, but she's also not a damsel that needs to be saved.
I thought the effects in this were really good, too. There were times I couldn't tell if they were using practical effects for certain bits (even though I know they probably weren't).
Overall it's probably in my top 5 MCU movies. Much better than the first one. Although I still mourn the fact that we didn't get to see what Edgar Wright would have done with the franchise.
The plot was needlessly complex at times. Laurence Fishburne's character was almost entirely superfluous and they could have streamlined things by taking him out and having Ghost be on her own or in league with Goggans' crew. It felt like they put him in as an introduction to him being in later movies. (Is he maybe in Captain Marvel de-aged, working with Fury? Possibly helps out Scott in Avengers 4?)
I was worried at first when a few of the early jokes fell flat. But I think they really found the rhythm and it's honestly one of the funniest MCU movies, right up there with Ragnarok for me. The truth serum bit was fucking brilliant.
I liked that the movie felt tense and had interesting and fun action without having world-altering stakes. Having it be a more personal story for all the characters really worked, and it wasn't just two heroes having to take on endless waves of faceless aliens, monsters, or robots.
Evangeline Lilly was great in this. I hope she gets to stick around in the MCU after they fix The Snap. I like that they present her as a hyper-competent character who still has feelings, wants, and needs. She's not just the emotionless military badass type, but she's also not a damsel that needs to be saved.
I thought the effects in this were really good, too. There were times I couldn't tell if they were using practical effects for certain bits (even though I know they probably weren't).
Overall it's probably in my top 5 MCU movies. Much better than the first one. Although I still mourn the fact that we didn't get to see what Edgar Wright would have done with the franchise.
So, I'm not gonna get too hung up on timelines because a) we know Marvel kind of plays freely with this stuff and b) its just not that important, but what I'm wondering is:
- I assumed Scott being under house arrest was the explanation for his absence from IW. Yet it seems like the mid credits scene took place at least a week or two after the end of the film proper (he was out). How long of a span do we consider the events of Infinity War to take place over? A week?
Just trying to clarify - the main film takes place entirely before the initial attack on NY, but the mid credits scene begins well after IW events have begun. So Scott is likely aware to some extent of what happened in NY - I'm guessing after Civil War he just decides not to get involved?
- I assumed Scott being under house arrest was the explanation for his absence from IW. Yet it seems like the mid credits scene took place at least a week or two after the end of the film proper (he was out). How long of a span do we consider the events of Infinity War to take place over? A week?
Just trying to clarify - the main film takes place entirely before the initial attack on NY, but the mid credits scene begins well after IW events have begun. So Scott is likely aware to some extent of what happened in NY - I'm guessing after Civil War he just decides not to get involved?
Well said.
I got so anxious knowing the snap was coming but not knowing who'd go... really effective way of playing with and delivering on expectations.
To be fair, he still had probation to deal with even after his house arrest, and probation usually prohibits unapproved movement across state lines, etc. He was still in legal jeopardy.
Pretty sure IW happens over the course of ~2 days.
SHIELD seems to support this idea, though unlike AATW it doesn't show the snap.
I got kind of annoyed with how frequently "Scott's malfunctioning suit" became a plot point. He seems kind of useless without one of the Pyms around to help him, whereas at the end of the first film it felt like he was ready to operate pretty autonomously.
I don't see how he's going to be helpful in the battle against Thanos without Henry or Hope to lend their expertise. It sucks that Wasp will basically be MIA for that entire affair.
I don't see how he's going to be helpful in the battle against Thanos without Henry or Hope to lend their expertise. It sucks that Wasp will basically be MIA for that entire affair.
I'm assuming after the events of the film they fixed his suit. I doubt they would send him into the quantum realm with a malfunctioning suit.
But if they fixed his suit, then he isn't stuck in the Quantum Realm. Since with a working suit he is able to get out of the Quantum Realm just like he did at the end of the first Ant-Man.
Maybe his suit is still not reliable and thus he need family Pym out there to bring him out from the Quantum Realm with their equipment.
They still are doing a poor job intermingling AoS with the MCU though. They still call it the "Fall of Shield" and not mention that Shield returned to the limelight last season.
But she WAS saved at one point and helped numerous times. ;)
She was good. Rather than being a minor support character she was a proper teammate that mattered. It's good that they weren't biased towards either character.
Someone at my theater yelled "OH COME ON!" when the snap happened. Everyone was shocked, probably one of the best Marvel post credits scenes in terms of shock.
To be fair, Shield was effectively dead after Season 4 and then becoming really back to prominence at the end of Season 5.
Since the timeline is... Ant-Man and the Wasp > Maw and Cull attack New York > Last episodes of S5 of Shield > Snap = Post-Credit Scene of AATW.
Weirdly, my biggest complaint about the movie was how it started. I usually am playing on my phone during previews/advertisements (lowest brightness and night mode to not distract too much), and apart from the weird abrupt start to the movie, my theater also decided to not show the usual "turn off your phones" and the long coke mini-movies they usually show. I thought I was watching the trailer for a new horror movie for the first minute or 2 of the movie!
Otherwise, I generally enjoyed the film. My showtime was listed as 6PM, and I was out of the theater at around 8PM- something I don't think has ever happened with a Marvel movie in the past.
Otherwise, I generally enjoyed the film. My showtime was listed as 6PM, and I was out of the theater at around 8PM- something I don't think has ever happened with a Marvel movie in the past.
That actually happened to my theater as well. It played one of those student film things and then literally seconds after that was done the movie just began. Got almost whiplash from how quick it happened.
Damn, my boy Ant Man got fucked hard by the snap.
A guy in my theater literally pulled a "No, God please No, NOOOOOOOO" like Michael Scott.
Overall the movie was good and enjoyable to me. Ghost was a good villain with a good reason too. Marvel has stepped up in the villain department because Ghost was not wrong lol.
I need to watch the movie a couple more times for clarity.
A guy in my theater literally pulled a "No, God please No, NOOOOOOOO" like Michael Scott.
Overall the movie was good and enjoyable to me. Ghost was a good villain with a good reason too. Marvel has stepped up in the villain department because Ghost was not wrong lol.
I need to watch the movie a couple more times for clarity.
Same. It through me for a loop that the movie just opened with no fan fare.
It's not so much they're doing a poor job of it as it is that they don't care and have no intention of ever folding Agents of SHIELD into the movies. As far as the movies are concerned, Coulson is dead and SHIELD is gone.
That's more the fault of the theater than the movie itself though. There was a clear start here at my cinema and we knew exactly that it had started and that it was that flashback to Hank and Janet's mission.
Btw, I think my favorite scene and shot in the film was at the start right after the Marvel logo. When Scott is sneaking through some dark place and we all think he's doing another heist, and then he flashes the flashlight on Cassie's and it turns out to just be an innocent play at home lol. That was both so cute and so funny.
AoS is still filming at the same time as usual. It starts at the end of the month. I'm not sure if that will overlap with FOTB. The AoS episodes will just be held for summer.
My hope is that they end up choosing to premiere it a few weeks before Infinity War. Four or five episodes where they react to the "snap" and we see more of its impact on the world and then the rest of the 13-episode season after A4, where everything is "fixed."
I would love to see Woo show up though. It would make complete sense.
Personally I just wanted IW2 to acknowledge that a fucking massive alien ship landed in Chicago during the events of Infinity War. :/
Which is funny cuz Coulson died for realsies at the end of last season. It'd be nice if along with Captain Marvel they give him a throwaway cameo in Avengers 4 as both a thanks to Clark Gregg for his hard work and to show to fans that AoS is more canon then once thought.
the old suit has something that got removed from later suit isn't it. it's why they had to hunt the old suit in the school because it had something that can help track quantum radiation or something to track the lab.
Pym mention he removed it from the new suit for safety reason I think. so maybe, the new suit can no longer enter/leave quantum realm on their own but need the quantum tunnel to do that. which is why Pym is really stuck there this time
That's what I'm saying.
This so much. I've always liked the actor even in his tv shows.
I have no clue what you are on about. It's doing the same numbers Guardians of the Galaxy 1 did. Was America not excited for Guardians?
Box office numbers is how we track excitement. We can't measure feelings. If a movie is putting butts in the seats then it's doing well.
Would be nice.
Probably minor in the grand scheme of half of the crazy shit happening in the world these days, however, especially when half the population disappears.
There should've been an after-credits scene of them watching basketball together or something.
Did it bother anyone that Walter Goggins' character didn't seem to have a base of operations? He's supposed to be this wealthy bigwig but he's running around with his crew like a couple of lowlife gangsters? Suck a half baked character.
Also he kept referring to "important investors". I thought that was hinting towards something, did I miss something?
Also he kept referring to "important investors". I thought that was hinting towards something, did I miss something?
