Crono > Sora > Terra > literally anyother MC in a Square game > Geno
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She's the most prominent character in Smash 4 that isn't a fighter (3 remixes for her main theme, Assist Trophy, "Ballot" Mii costume). I think that alone improves her chances a fair bit.
Of course she's not a lock. If she doesn't get in it's probably because with a limited roster it makes harder to justify adding another Wario Ware character.
I think so. But he never said he didn't want a Tekken character in specific, just that he prefers to focus on Nintendo characters for Smash and didn't want to add Namco characters just because they're the devs.
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Also don't forget that Disney and Nintendo did worked together in the past, and more likely to have a good relationship between both.
Who's saying Smash 4 or Ultimate aren't competitive games, especially in this thread? Doesn't mean they can't be better than they currently are.
Nice unnecessary stab at Melee fans, tho.
I beg to differ on Chrono not being requested as much as Geno and to be fair Terra was being considered as the FF representative before Cloud
I'm also aware of Geno's popularity and chances to make it into the game but there are still a lot of characters more deserving of the spot
Square Enix has such a big past with Nintendo that it would be weird for their 2 characters to be from Sony-Square Enix/Nomura era characters. Missing a representation for their classic RPGs/SNES era would be strange to me, that's why I think Geno (a fan favorite) or a Dragon Quest character are in the lead for that 2nd slot.
And Sakurai didn't say this about Terra. He actually said "the only choice was Cloud, we could go for Terra, but nah".
Deserving is a hard thing to say. He was in the first Mario RPG and is a fan favorite.
And Sakurai didn't say this about Terra. He actually said "the only choice was Cloud, we could go for Terra, but nah".
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No, Harada don't want to push his agenda to get Heihachi into Smash Bros. He want to respect the boundary with Sakurai.
Pretty much. There aren't as many people asking for Terra and Crono as there are Geno.
Sora's got no chance, but how many Square reps have been requested like Geno has?
Ah. I think that increases Heihachi's chances then.
What have they collabed on?
Terra still shows up on Dissidia games. DQ is still relevant as well.
Geno is not even the main character of his 20-year old game.
Smash 4 ended up having a pretty eclectic group of guest characters, so I really doubt the end goal is for each publisher to be represented with two characters. When has Sakurai ever handicapped himself like that? I wouldn't be surprised if Capcom gets a third character as DLC before Namco gets a second one.
He's up there with Shiek and Issac.
Makes sense.
The things I'd do for a Vagrant Story sequel.
What does "deserving" even mean?
Miis may still have their height and weight gimmick. Honestly if they take that out it's stupid.
They've kind of fallen off the map in terms of discussion here, but I still am hoping for an Arms rep (probz Spring Man though I'd love Twintelle!!) and maybe Shovel Knight as an nindie rep.
Do y'all see either of those as possible/likely?
Do y'all see either of those as possible/likely?
He 100% for sure doesn't think "everyone gets 2 characters".
tho I don't see Capcom getting any other character because it's pretty much RE and MonHun left for them with RE having realistic guns and company politics between Nintendo/Capcom being weird these days.
Geno would be an off-putting inclusion as a fighter to me, if for no other reason than because he would mostly exist to pander to a subset of a subset of crazy fanchildren
Acknowledgement of that via a Mii costume is one thing, but I don't want either the game or its fans to go down the road of Sakurai appeasing whatever lunacy the players demand
Acknowledgement of that via a Mii costume is one thing, but I don't want either the game or its fans to go down the road of Sakurai appeasing whatever lunacy the players demand
Discuss?
If Heihachi got in that's yet another blow to Playstation All Stars since he was in that game.
ARMS is a bit too new for the base roster, but given it's a successful new IP I think they'll be DLC. Probably Spring Man but there's always hope that Ribbon Girl, Min-min or Twintelle get picked instead.
As for Shovel Knight, I dunno if Nintendo wants to rep indie characters. Has there ever been a comment on that?
Oh yeah, Bowser was in that.
Well this is just rude.
Now we just need Crash Bandicoot to complete the quartet.
Konami: Simon Belmont definitely. Bomberman would be the next most likely, but he's an assist trophy.
Discuss?
Bandai Namco: The way I see it, there are three possible Bamco reps that we could get. Heihachi is popular, got a mii costume, and Sakurai spoke about wanting to add him (He would almost definitely use a younger version of him for Smash, not the older version). Lloyd Irving from Tales of Symphonia could get in. His game was the break out hit for the series in the West (and on the Gamecube). Also got a mii costume. KosMos could get in, she already appeared alongside Xenosaga alumni Telos in Xenoblade 2. She was also in Project X Zone 2, paired up with Fiora from Xenoblade 1. It would likely be one of those 3, and It's say their chances are comparable.
Square Enix: A big maybe on Geno.I feel like Crono from Chrono Trigger could be a surprise character. A Dragon Quest character (probably Loto/Erdrick) could also make it in. Sora would generate a ton of hype, but Disney would probably make that more trouble than it's worth.
Honestly, I do think Crono has had as much fan support to get into Smash as Geno has
Geno got a Ballot Mii Costume.
Really, Geno is one of the characters that is most brought up in these Smash discussions for every game. I think he's up there with Ridley and K. Rool in discussions.
RE could work with Rpg's and other heavy weapons like Snake.
Being able to carry there own game, being relevant, not being just an optional party member from an old game that not many people played
Because he's cool, because he has moveset potential, because SMRPG is super freaking awesome, because we never saw him again and we want him back.
Why are we judging characters for being wanted?
I mean I'm certainly not going to say no to Crono, I love Chrono Trigger, but I've never seen Crono be requested as much as Geno, though granted that may be due to the fact that prior to Cloud the idea of getting Square characters into the game was farfetched.
Well that sure as hell nixes Terra and Crono then.
I still think Phoenix Wright could get in. He'd make for a fun moveset.
Not due to any merit though. Again, he was not a main character or anything.
He's kinda a meme, like Waluigi.
I'm not judging, but it honestly does suck that geno takes all the mario rpg conversation and support when a character like fawful that is just as awesome and also relevant could get it.
I feel like it's mostly inertia. There was a lot of nostalgia for Super Mario RPG at the time of Brawl's announcement.
Now the only reason people talk about Geno is "he's popular" even though we have someone in this thread with a Geno avatar and the name Geno admitting he'd rather have another Square rep.
He's likely not to show up in any games. They didn't even keep his cameo in the 3DS Super Star remake. His only presence other than the Mii outfit/reference in Super Star is from a game made 22 years ago.
Besides the fact that he's from a beloved game like SMRPG that sold over 2 million copies and none other than the director of Smash himself has considered him.
No one is stopping anyone from wanting Fawful.
No way. The people "requesting Geno" are an extremely small number that only exist on forums like this. Crono and Terra are both way more well known by the gaming community at large. I think a very miniscule number of people who don't pay attention to Smash hype threads (and most people who buy and play Smash do not) even are aware of who Geno is.
And Sora absolutely does have a chance and is absolutely both more popular and "more requested" than Geno. The thing holding him back would be Disney if anything.
Geno simply does not have that much support outside of the Smash hype echo chamber. He's an obscure side character from a single game 20 years ago. Sakurai likes him, okay -- that's fine, and that knowledge alone is why he so persistently comes up. But let's not be delusional at how much he is actually requested outside of this loud minority.
Well geno is stopping him. I haven't pushed or thought fawful could have a great chance because no one else ever talks about him, geno is always the first brought up for mario rpg characters.
How many Nintendo dark counterparts are there?
Shadow Link
Dark Link (apparently different from Shadow Link)
Dark Pit
Dark Samus
Dark Meta Knight, Dark Kirby characters in general
Shadow Mewtwo
There is actually a lot lol.
…Which brings me to my Dark Horse pick, Dark Meta Knight.
Now, Echo fighters are way too restrictive. They have to share animations and moves. Dixie would lack her hair, which wouldn't work. Shadow wouldn't teleport, use chaos energy or Chaos Control and that would be really boring. And Dark Samus needs a new run animation, as well as Shadow. All of them are out.
Now Dark Meta Knight? You could literally copy paste Meta Knight move set. Just give him Triple Deluxe Mirror Powers Final Smash and you are done. If they are extra lazy, they could also do about as many changes as Dark Pit. And the kicker, Sakurai worked on Amazing Mirror in some capacity. I have no doubt that Dark Meta Knight has secretly way better chances than Dixie, Shadow or Dark Samus as an Echo Fighter.
He is not really worthy, but he is really easy to implement. Echo Fighters are way too restrictive. If they have to share same weight, that would mean Metal Mario would never be Echo. Think about that.
Shadow Link
Dark Link (apparently different from Shadow Link)
Dark Pit
Dark Samus
Dark Meta Knight, Dark Kirby characters in general
Shadow Mewtwo
There is actually a lot lol.
…Which brings me to my Dark Horse pick, Dark Meta Knight.
Now, Echo fighters are way too restrictive. They have to share animations and moves. Dixie would lack her hair, which wouldn't work. Shadow wouldn't teleport, use chaos energy or Chaos Control and that would be really boring. And Dark Samus needs a new run animation, as well as Shadow. All of them are out.
Now Dark Meta Knight? You could literally copy paste Meta Knight move set. Just give him Triple Deluxe Mirror Powers Final Smash and you are done. If they are extra lazy, they could also do about as many changes as Dark Pit. And the kicker, Sakurai worked on Amazing Mirror in some capacity. I have no doubt that Dark Meta Knight has secretly way better chances than Dixie, Shadow or Dark Samus as an Echo Fighter.
He is not really worthy, but he is really easy to implement. Echo Fighters are way too restrictive. If they have to share same weight, that would mean Metal Mario would never be Echo. Think about that.
He's one of these characters that is actually requested both in Japan and the west.
People used to say the same for Ridley to be honest.
I think we underestimate the number of Smash diehards. Also, many characters are more popular than Geno, but fans for these characters barely care if they're in Smash Bros or not.
Being held back by Disney seems like a pretty big deal.
A more popular request is not stopping you from wanting another character.
Dark samus is extremely likely. Sakurai made ganondorf, remember that.
Some of the posts I saw after Miis were announced was something a lot more deep rooted than just disliking custom characters. And the same thing before Smash Ultimate announced them. And in threads before the Switch came out asking if Miis should be used on the Switch.
People HATE Miis. Despise them. Wish that Nintendo would nuke them from existence and never mention them again. The very sight of them strikes hatred to their very cores. And those same people look for any possible excuse to ban them because their hatred of cartoon avatar people really does go that deep. It's basically all of the pent up anger from Nintendo's casual focus during the Wii days exploding into hatred of the characters that best represent that era.
I just can't get over how much better Frigate looks in Ultimate. The background details alone make it feel almost like an entirely new stage.
Yeah, Pit/Dark Pit's improvements are mostly subtle, but make a big difference. Dark Pit actually looking like he does in Uprising is nice for the character, though.
Yeah, Pit/Dark Pit's improvements are mostly subtle, but make a big difference. Dark Pit actually looking like he does in Uprising is nice for the character, though.
I don't think there is some mandate that every company gets 2 characters either. It might end up that way, but one very easily could get 3 or more while another sticks with 1 or something. Capcom definitely has the strongest library of IP/options for more characters. I could very easily see a RE person (probably Leon?... who is goofier than Snake, who fits into this game just fine) or Monster Hunter or Zero or a Ken echo or even Phoenix Wright. All of them seem within the realm of possibility to me. And that's a lot of options.
Namco is basically Heihachi or Nightmare or Kos-Mos. Not really many other realistic options there.
Konami is clearly Simon.
Square has numerous options, basically any protagonist from a FF or some prominent antagonists like Sephiroth or Kefka even, also Crono and Sora and Lara Croft (who is perhaps the most iconic).
And then of course there is also the possibility of new third party companies like Ubisoft.
Dark Samus is likeliest, sure. But if Dark Samus would be in as echo, it wouldn't run by floating. That's for sure.
And I'm looking at modern clone standards. Melee clones were somewhat creative. SSB4 clones were kinda lazy, not many differences except for Doc.
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