Crono > Sora > Terra > literally anyother MC in a Square game > Geno
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Crono > Sora > Terra > literally anyother MC in a Square game > Geno
You forgot to place Max above everyone else.Chrono > Sora > Terra > literally anyother MC in a Square game > Geno
Will Namco care what Harada says though?I've seen KOS-MOS floated around as a Namco rep but I still think Heihachi will be in, and hopefully as his old man self. Apparently Harada doesn't want it though.
She's the most prominent character in Smash 4 that isn't a fighter (3 remixes for her main theme, Assist Trophy, "Ballot" Mii costume). I think that alone improves her chances a fair bit.I'm really curious about Ashley's chances since few people in another channel said that some people really overrated Ashley's popularity so it does make me wonder if we are overestimating her chance now. What measure stick are we using for Ashley's popularity, considering WarioWare's sales aren't that high.
I think so. But he never said he didn't want a Tekken character in specific, just that he prefers to focus on Nintendo characters for Smash and didn't want to add Namco characters just because they're the devs.
There's the Disney thing with Sora, but then they had Ralph in Sonic All Stars Transformed, but then again it's probably due to the Sonic cameo.
I don't see how anyone can say Ultimate isn't a competitive game after watching that MKLeo vs Zero Finale Match.
I guess alot of people are still attached to broken glitches.
this is good but his name is CronoChrono > Sora > Terra > literally anyother MC in a Square game > Geno
I beg to differ on Chrono not being requested as much as Geno and to be fair Terra was being considered as the FF representative before CloudSome of you undersell Geno too much.
Terra and Chrono aren't requested as much as Geno, a character acknowledged by Sakurai. Their popularity/relevance too isn't much different from Geno's, that is even more popular with Smash/Nintendo fans.
He's not a lock, but just getting a Mii costume and the game appealing to fans makes him have better chances this time.
Deserving is a hard thing to say. He was in the first Mario RPG and is a fan favorite.I beg to differ on Chrono not being requested as much as Geno and to be fair Terra was being considered as the FF representative before Cloud
I'm also aware of Geno's popularity and chances to make it into the game but there are still a lot of characters more deserving of the spot
I've seen KOS-MOS floated around as a Namco rep but I still think Heihachi will be in, and hopefully as his old man self. Apparently Harada doesn't want it though
Obviously I'm not going to say to Sakurai, "We want Tekken characters, please put it in" — that's not the case, so people don't have to worry about that. The sole decision will probably be made in a way that if more people want Tekken characters in it then Sakurai might choose to do so, if not then so be it.
Some of you undersell Geno too much.
Terra and Chrono aren't requested as much as Geno, a character acknowledged by Sakurai. Their popularity/relevance too isn't much different from Geno's, that is even more popular with Smash/Nintendo fans.
He's not a lock, but just getting a Mii costume and the game appealing to fans makes him have better chances this time.
Chrono > Sora > Terra > literally anyother MC in a Square game > Geno
She's the most prominent character in Smash 4 that isn't a fighter (3 remixes for her main theme, Assist Trophy, "Ballot" Mii costume). I think that alone improves her chances a fair bit.
Of course she's not a lock. If she doesn't get in it's probably because with a limited roster it makes harder to justify adding another Wario Ware character.
I think so. But he never said he didn't want a Tekken character in specific, just that he prefers to focus on Nintendo characters for Smash and didn't want to add Namco characters just because they're the devs.
Also don't forget that Disney and Nintendo did worked together in the past, and more likely to have a good relationship between both.
Some of you undersell Geno too much.
Terra and Chrono aren't requested as much as Geno, a character acknowledged by Sakurai. Their popularity/relevance too isn't much different from Geno's, that is even more popular with Smash/Nintendo fans.
He's not a lock, but just getting a Mii costume and the game appealing to fans makes him have better chances this time.
No, Harada don't want to push his agenda to get Heihachi into Smash Bros. He want to respect the boundary with Sakurai.
I like how discussion of one Ashley immediately mutated into discussion of a completely different Ashley
I beg to differ on Chrono not being requested as much as Geno and to be fair Terra was being considered as the FF representative before Cloud
I'm also aware of Geno's popularity and chances to make it into the game but there are still a lot of characters more deserving of the spot
So looking at Ultimate's Miis there's some things that makes it pretty obvious Nintendo wants them in tournaments
1. They're allowed online now
2. It doesn't seem like height matters anymore. All Miis shown so far have been the same height/weight
3. No other characters, except Miis have customs, cementing that it's their primary gimmick and should be respected
I also wouldn't be surprised if you can literally just pick a Mii's moves from the CSS this time around. Like, just select a head, and pick between 1/2/3 for each move and be off to battle.
He 100% for sure doesn't think "everyone gets 2 characters".Smash 4 ended up having a pretty eclectic group of guest characters, so I really doubt the end goal is for each publisher to be represented with two characters. When has Sakurai ever handicapped himself like that? I wouldn't be surprised if Capcom gets a third character as DLC before Namco gets a second one.
Spring Man: decent chance if we get DLCThey've kind of fallen off the map in terms of discussion here, but I still am hoping for an Arms rep (probz Spring Man though I'd love Twintelle!!) and maybe Shovel Knight as an nindie rep.
Do y'all see either of those as possible/likely?
They've kind of fallen off the map in terms of discussion here, but I still am hoping for an Arms rep (probz Spring Man though I'd love Twintelle!!) and maybe Shovel Knight as an nindie rep.
Do y'all see either of those as possible/likely?
Geno would be an off-putting inclusion as a fighter to me, if for no other reason than because he would mostly exist to pander to a subset of a subset of crazy fanchildren
Acknowledgement of that via a Mii costume is one thing, but I don't want either the game or its fans to go down the road of Sakurai appeasing whatever lunacy the players demand
If Heihachi got in that's yet another blow to Playstation All Stars since he was in that game.
Konami: Simon Belmont definitely. Bomberman would be the next most likely, but he's an assist trophy.
Honestly, I do think Crono has had as much fan support to get into Smash as Geno hasPretty much. There aren't as many people asking for Terra and Crono as there are Geno.
Sora's got no chance, but how many Square reps have been requested like Geno has?
Geno got a Ballot Mii Costume.Honestly, I do think Crono has had as much fan support to get into Smash as Geno has
RE could work with Rpg's and other heavy weapons like Snake.He 100% for sure doesn't think "everyone gets 2 characters".
tho I don't see Capcom getting any other character because it's pretty much RE and MonHun left for them with RE having realistic guns and company politics between Nintendo/Capcom being weird these days.
For whatever reason.
Who's saying Smash 4 or Ultimate aren't competitive games, especially in this thread? Doesn't mean they can't be better than they currently are.
Nice unnecessary stab at Melee fans, tho.
Being able to carry there own game, being relevant, not being just an optional party member from an old game that not many people played
Honestly, I do think Crono has had as much fan support to get into Smash as Geno has
Being able to carry there own game, being relevant, not being just an optional party member from an old game that not many people played
I still think Phoenix Wright could get in. He'd make for a fun moveset.He 100% for sure doesn't think "everyone gets 2 characters".
tho I don't see Capcom getting any other character because it's pretty much RE and MonHun left for them with RE having realistic guns and company politics between Nintendo/Capcom being weird these days.
Geno got a Ballot Mii Costume.
Really, Geno is one of the characters that is most brought up in these Smash discussions for every game. I think he's up there with Ridley and K. Rool in discussions.
I'm not judging, but it honestly does suck that geno takes all the mario rpg conversation and support when a character like fawful that is just as awesome and also relevant could get it.Because he's cool, because he has moveset potential, because SMRPG is super freaking awesome, because we never saw him again and we want him back.
Why are we judging characters for being wanted?
I mean I'm certainly not going to say no to Crono, I love Chrono Trigger, but I've never seen Crono be requested as much as Geno, though granted that may be due to the fact that prior to Cloud the idea of getting Square characters into the game was farfetched.
I feel like it's mostly inertia. There was a lot of nostalgia for Super Mario RPG at the time of Brawl's announcement.
He's likely not to show up in any games. They didn't even keep his cameo in the 3DS Super Star remake. His only presence other than the Mii outfit/reference in Super Star is from a game made 22 years ago.Because he's cool, because he has moveset potential, because SMRPG is super freaking awesome, because we never saw him again and we want him back.
Why are we judging characters for being wanted?
I mean I'm certainly not going to say no to Crono, I love Chrono Trigger, but I've never seen Crono be requested as much as Geno, though granted that may be due to the fact that prior to Cloud the idea of getting Square characters into the game was farfetched.
Not due to any merit though. Again, he was not a main character or anything.
He's kinda a meme, like Waluigi.
I'm not judging, but it honestly does suck that geno takes all the mario rpg conversation and support when a character like fawful that is just as awesome and also relevant could get it.
Pretty much. There aren't as many people asking for Terra and Crono as there are Geno.
Sora's got no chance, but how many Square reps have been requested like Geno has?
Well geno is stopping him. I haven't pushed or thought fawful could have a great chance because no one else ever talks about him, geno is always the first brought up for mario rpg characters.Besides the fact that he's from a beloved game like SMRPG that sold over 2 million copies and none other than the director of Smash himself has considered him.
No one is stopping anyone from wanting Fawful.
He's one of these characters that is actually requested both in Japan and the west.I feel like it's mostly inertia. There was a lot of nostalgia for Super Mario RPG at the time of Brawl's announcement.
Now the only reason people talk about Geno is "he's popular" even though we have someone in this thread with a Geno avatar and the name Geno admitting he'd rather have another Square rep.
People used to say the same for Ridley to be honest.No way. The people "requesting Geno" are an extremely small number that only exist on forums like this. Crono and Terra are both way more well known by the gaming community at large. I think a very miniscule number of people who don't pay attention to Smash hype threads (and most people who buy and play Smash do not) even are aware of who Geno is.
And Sora absolutely does have a chance and is absolutely both more popular and "more requested" than Geno. The thing holding him back would be Disney if anything.
Geno simply does not have that much support outside of the Smash hype echo chamber. He's an obscure side character from a single game 20 years ago. Sakurai likes him, okay -- that's fine, and that knowledge alone is why he so persistently comes up. But let's not be delusional at how much he is actually requested outside of this loud minority.
No way. The people "requesting Geno" are an extremely small number that only exist on forums like this. Crono and Terra are both way more well known by the gaming community at large. I think a very miniscule number of people who don't pay attention to Smash hype threads (and most people who buy and play Smash do not) even are aware of who Geno is.
And Sora absolutely does have a chance and is absolutely both more popular and "more requested" than Geno. The thing holding him back would be Disney if anything.
Geno simply does not have that much support outside of the Smash hype echo chamber. He's an obscure side character from a single game 20 years ago. Sakurai likes him, okay -- that's fine, and that knowledge alone is why he so persistently comes up. But let's not be delusional at how much he is actually requested outside of this loud minority.
Well geno is stopping him. I haven't pushed or thought fawful could have a great chance because no one else ever talks about him, geno is always the first brought up for mario rpg characters.
Dark samus is extremely likely. Sakurai made ganondorf, remember that.How many Nintendo dark counterparts are there?
Shadow Link
Dark Link (apparently different from Shadow Link)
Dark Pit
Dark Samus
Dark Meta Knight, Dark Kirby characters in general
Shadow Mewtwo
There is actually a lot lol.
…Which brings me to my Dark Horse pick, Dark Meta Knight.
Now, Echo fighters are way too restrictive. They have to share animations and moves. Dixie would lack her hair, which wouldn't work. Shadow wouldn't teleport, use chaos energy or Chaos Control and that would be really boring. And Dark Samus needs a new run animation, as well as Shadow. All of them are out.
Now Dark Meta Knight? You could literally copy paste Meta Knight move set. Just give him Triple Deluxe Mirror Powers Final Smash and you are done. If they are extra lazy, they could also do about as many changes as Dark Pit. And the kicker, Sakurai worked on Amazing Mirror in some capacity. I have no doubt that Dark Meta Knight has secretly way better chances than Dixie, Shadow or Dark Samus as an Echo Fighter.
He is not really worthy, but he is really easy to implement. Echo Fighters are way too restrictive. If they have to share same weight, that would mean Metal Mario would never be Echo. Think about that.
Some of the posts I saw after Miis were announced was something a lot more deep rooted than just disliking custom characters. And the same thing before Smash Ultimate announced them. And in threads before the Switch came out asking if Miis should be used on the Switch.I think you're kind of overreacting, I think the primary reason no one made the effort to keep them in competitive was because they required extra effort to set up. The competitive community treated them like create a characters (which are flat banned in basically any competitive fighter) because that's how the game treats them, there's no basic Mii in the base game. They have to be hand created.
I one-hundred percent expect that if there are basic Miis preloaded in the base game they'll be allowed in competitive.
I went through all characters last night and I'm thrilled to see some changes Dark Pit got like his face is better now, and the details were much better now.
I don't think there is some mandate that every company gets 2 characters either. It might end up that way, but one very easily could get 3 or more while another sticks with 1 or something. Capcom definitely has the strongest library of IP/options for more characters. I could very easily see a RE person (probably Leon?... who is goofier than Snake, who fits into this game just fine) or Monster Hunter or Zero or a Ken echo or even Phoenix Wright. All of them seem within the realm of possibility to me. And that's a lot of options.He 100% for sure doesn't think "everyone gets 2 characters".
tho I don't see Capcom getting any other character because it's pretty much RE and MonHun left for them with RE having realistic guns and company politics between Nintendo/Capcom being weird these days.
Dark Samus is likeliest, sure. But if Dark Samus would be in as echo, it wouldn't run by floating. That's for sure.Dark samus is extremely likely. Sakurai made ganondorf, remember that.