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US PoliERA 2018 |OT6| An Unmitigated Disaster
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Stealing parts of America and then setting it on fire? Probably got mistaken for the Koch Brothers.
And remember, he's disassembled or redirected away resources from going after domestic terrorism
Right now the challenge is to get ~70% of people on board against it.
That ~27% is lost, but not enough on it's own to destroy everything. It's dependent on everyone else to not care and/or not vote.
Well that's just infuriating. Those assholes should've been.....
I actually dunno if I can finish that sentence here.
I actually dunno if I can finish that sentence here.
It doesn't take courage to hand Republicans a whole new lever of power to exploit with their Senate majorities. Do you think if Democrats packed SCOTUS with 2-3 new justices that would just be the end of it?
Isn't order over justice + pack mentality two of the basic ingredients for authoritarianism? I think we're past the point of "why don't the American people see this descent into fascism?" and have to accept that, for many Americans, an authoritarian governance is the desired end goal, even if they may not use that name for it.
Treated as domestic terrorist, tried, found guilty, and made to serve their sentence as a criminal should?
Republicans will just sit back and accept the new normal, of course.
Trump sending signals to right wing militias to be ready and he is on their side... we are so fucked when Trump gets impeached or loses.
I know in my heart he'll lose, but hopefully since it's a close Senate race, we'll get some good polling after the primary
I mean by all means let the military thin their numbers if it comes to that.
That's what I mean by American public. The left + enough of the center. And not just to vote against Trump like a normal midterm cycle, but to recognize the real threat to democracy and provide dems enough backing to actually put in longer term fixes (fix SCOTUS, gerrymandering, voter rights, DC/PR statehood, etc) without just giving power right back to the GOP where they'll continue to degrade democracy as they have been for many years now. The same back and forth election cycles we've had is not sustainable. It'll take more than winning 2018/2020 to correct course.
Is it tho?
The problem is they were still confirmed, to kick them off would have to be more done about the senators that confirmed them because that's the "check and balances" element (though it's hard to justify even that if its just a simple majority). Mueller, supposedly, has things about Russia and connections to some GOP reps but it's more hoops to jump through.
Yeah, this is where I've been at. I'm skeptical US recovers without basically collapsing in on itself first. I'm not a huge history buff so maybe there are examples I'm missing, but nations that flirt so closely with fascism seem to need something MAJOR to happen to them to reverse course (like losing a major war, collapsing like USSR -- and even then, it's not necessarily a permanent fix).
Oh it's the guys who got imprisoned before the occupation. I meant the guys who physically occupied the wildlife refuge in my first post.
There are more of us than there are of them.
That needs to be the creed of any Democratic voter. We only lose in national elections when we decide to sit out.
Obama lost Independents in 2012 and still won comfortably.
Even if we win 2018 and 2020 we need to be fucking relentless from day zero to shut these fuckers out in 2022 and 2024. "But we can't win in a midterm" Fuck that, in 2022 we're kicking Rubio (spineless fuck), Johnson (Russia fuck), Toomey, Blunt and Burr (standard grade GOP fuck) the fuck out of office and replacing McCain (probably dead fuck) and Grassley (old fuck) with Democrats, and in any other race that might be competitive by then and we're going to rewrite the fucking Constitution, baby.
FUCK
Yeah I don't know, because all the major examples that come to mind off hand - Germany, Italy, Soviet Union - flirted with fascism, then dove headfirst into fascism, and then got snapped out of fascism (for varying periods of time) after losing the war or suffering some horrible economic hardship or both.
On the one hand, I'm tempted to think that if the basic underlying conditions for fascism already exist, then the only real remedy is accelerationism: letting those conditions push more of the public, and consequently the country, into full fascism for a time, then break the fever through some terrible military or economic disaster. Not ideal! On the other hand, a more robust social safety net could alleviate some of the festering wounds in the parts of the country that are driving this trend and mollify the people who are fed up with the government's inability to solve their problems would otherwise turn to an autocracy for easy answers (unaware that the people they elected into power are the ones gumming up the works in the first place). Which is probably why stuff like Medicare for All plays well even in rural red counties.
Burr is retiring after this term, so we're already 1/7th of the way there!!
I like the thought of Senator Roy Cooper, who, if he wins the governorship in 2020, will be a lame duck in 2022.
I know opinions will likely shift dramatically if a Dem president proposes SCOTUS term limits but a healthy bipartisan majority of voters did once like the idea. Specifically 66% of Dems, 74% of Repubs supported a 10-year term limit in a 2015 poll: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-poll-idUSKCN0PU09820150720
Packing the court is one typical move authoritarian leaders in other countries do to exert their influence over the judicial branch. Even with the Dem's best intentions and Garland as a good reason for revenge, voters are not going to like these kinds of blatant attempts to mess with the court's independence. Unless folks are prepared to accept a one-term Dem president, either by impeachment or electoral defeat, I just don't see this as a feasible option. Not to mention that Republicans would definitely pack the court themselves to "restore the balance of power" the second they're back in the White House, making all of this kind of pointless frankly. The better, more robust SCOTUS fix are term limits, but I agree, it's certainly more difficult.
I'm not sure Soviet Union - > Russia is a great example of what we'd want as a result.
He's flat out admitted to barging in on naked teenage girls at his beauty pageants.
Two words: Nothing burger (c) conservative Trump supporter
This is a very serious issue that needs to be investigated... but it won't be investigated properly because Republicans hold most of the power and sabotage any investigation. It sucks that Trump is such a monster. Didn't he settle a claim that he molested an underage girl days before inauguration? Hope this gets more attention and the victims get the justice they deserve.
Attempting to split votes? They must be worried about the House seat there.
Someone just told me they think the pardon was a signal to the "2nd amendment people" to stand up for Trump should he be charged/taken away/whatever.
No.
Did you even see that last week's rallies for gun ownership where they couldn't even get dozens of people? Like, that .gif mocking small rallies with the guy going "there are dozens of us, dozens" doesn't even apply because they couldn't even get that many. Meanwhile the Parkland students are still rallying thousands of people to their events. And their first big one had hundreds of thousands.
Conservatives are largely old. They are cowardly. And they are near universally lazy. And the few that are willing to actually try and start shit get outnumbered by literally 1000 to 1 whenever they poke their heads out.
What would be the greater insult to a previous judge's legacy, replacing Marshall with Thomas, or possibly replacing Ginsburg with Barrett?
How do I reply with something only members can see like on the old forum?
It got lost in the SCOTUS stuff yesterday but worth noting:
And the final-final report will be released in September: https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1016451663442464769
And the final-final report will be released in September: https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1016451663442464769
Since Nevada polling is unreliable, of course it has to be about money, rather than fashioning more reliable sources/methods.
Something different...wheels went up this morning, no big Mueller/Russia news dropped right after, unlike the other times.
So percent chance red state Dems hold and 1 GOP senator holds the phone on Kavanaugh?
Less than 5%, 1%, less than a percent?
Less than 5%, 1%, less than a percent?
Republicans can do it right now if they get rid of the filibuster. Do you trust that whatever is holding them back from doing it now is going to keep holding them back from it forever? As we watch the party further slide to authoritarianism I can tell you I sure as hell don't want to put my faith in that.
Would they retaliate? Most likely. It's certainly a political risk no matter who does it, even for Republicans. I don't think the public at large is going to tolerate the parties adding justices each time they're in power so there would be some sort of compromise eventually. At the moment I'm a bit more concerned with making sure this country doesn't drive off a Judicial cliff for generations to come and if Trump gets one more pick on the SC then that's almost guaranteed. If Mueller comes out with a damning report on Trump and recommends charges how do you think the public (not the cultist base) is going to feel about a criminal President filling a stolen seat and getting 1 or 2 additional lifetime appointments? I'd say a lot of them would feel those Justices are tainted for life.
It would absolutely be contentious to add more justices, I'm fully aware of that and would accept the consequences. If it were up to me I would have Democrats go all out with big sweeping legislation and fixes to our government if we can get a strong trifecta in 2021. Compromising our positions to appeal to the middle isn't a great strategy when Republicans will just reverse what we do regardless, as we saw with Obama. If we're gonna get kicked out anyways, might as well go big before we go home.
At the same time we have to remember that the number of justices has not been set in stone since our founding and that we have had more than the 9 we do now. Someone made the point yesterday I think that a good argument for adding more is that our country has grown a lot since we've had it at 9 and it's better if we have more voices on the court to account for this growth. The addition of term limits would be a smart compromise when trying to make the case for adding 2, imo.
oh. yes.
late september release for the senate. then OCT for special counsel barrage.
all this shit is in play in an attempt to thwart furhter russian and others, meddling in the states election, at peak time.
they will point out the people they are assisting, and who the meddling is hurting, show how they are doing it, when and where they have done it.
this october will no doubt be an endless shit show leading to the november elections
We have to change the system somehow. This shit will happen again with more competent people taking advantage.
Oh this summit is gonna be a beauty.
God, this guy is a colossal fucking idiot! NATO DOES NOT OWE YOU MONEY!!!! That's not how it fucking works!
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