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Playco Armboy

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Oct 28, 2017
3,406

All three of the DC Trinity are suspect as hell, jeez.

Can't think of the worst thing Downey, Evans, or Hemsworth have done. I think Downey's Republican?
 

Ocarina_117

Member
Oct 26, 2017
9,574
All three of the DC Trinity are suspect as hell, jeez.

Can't think of the worst thing Downey, Evans, or Hemsworth have done. I think Downey's Republican?
Gal is suspect?

I mean, Cavill said something fucking stupid. I can see what he was trying to say here. The issue of persistence when pursuing a relationship. But god damn the choice of wording.
 

LifeLine

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,779
Whatever happened with that Aziz Ansari story? I remember skimming through that blog and it seemed more a like bad sexual experience than a sexual assault.

Doesn't feel right lumping it together with this weird shit.
 
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rude

Member
Oct 25, 2017
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All three of the DC Trinity are suspect as hell, jeez.

Can't think of the worst thing Downey, Evans, or Hemsworth have done. I think Downey's Republican?
Hmmm...
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Captain America's casual sexism....
"Sandra Bullocks's more the one you settle down with, set up shop with, take home to your mother. But Salma's the one you yell, 'Action!' and just go to town on"
 

Ponn

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Oct 26, 2017
3,171
There's a quote in the article where he talks about "keeping the good aspect while removing the bad" rather than some "good old days" argument you're making. I don't agree with that he's saying for the most part but I can understand aspects of it. I'll agree there are problems with pursuing women like making them a prize to be won but it's not always in that context. There can be room for a persistent back and forth that ends with a number given or date that isn't based on pressuring someone or some conquer fantasy. That said there are absolutely indications when it's a hard no and she's completely uninterested and when it's more playful in the specific case of flirting. Obviously does not apply in a sexual context where no absolutely means no.

The problem is it's always a bad faith argument. When you start your argument with "going up to a woman at a club and being accused of rape" and following up with pining for the days where you can pursue a woman after they say no then exactly what are the "bad aspects" and "good aspects" being alluded to? Where are these "good aspects" being truly taken away at?

Still looking for them receipts of being accused of rape for approaching a woman at a bar. Surely if this is a widespread epidemic for men that is worth putting aside #metoo their are countless records to justify these fears? Surely.
 

Sibersk Esto

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Oct 25, 2017
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He has the ground work for a solid concept, but then goes off the rails and loses everyone.

"I'm worried of being in a relationship with a women because if things go bad and I'm accused of sexual assault, I'm seen as another predator in hollywood and if could negatively impact my career" I believe is what he wanted to say.

I don't think he meant to imply he's afraid he would rape someone. If that were the case he would probably need some deep therapy for some very deep seeded problems.
I think he's talking about the courting phase
 

Tabby

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,356
Please continue.

What are examples of actions that can be "taken the wrong way"?
Maybe when you use the wrong words because you're not that elloquent and all of a sudden you're a,

That good old fashioned predatory-prey relationship where the chase and not taking a no for an answer is half the fun. That's the vile and toxic tradition clowns like him want to keep alive probably. Fuuuck all that shit.

what he called a "vile and toxic tradition clown".

How do you feel about the me too movement?

It's good that people are coming out but among the many accusations, it's hard to tell who's genuine and who's not.
 

Deleted member 4461

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Oct 25, 2017
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Whatever happened with that Aziz Ansari story? I remember skimming through that blog and it seemed more a like bad sexual experience than a sexual assault.

Doesn't feel right lumping it together with this weird shit.

That is his point. He likely feels like it was a bad experience, but many people likened it to sexual assault (not my place to make a determination), and he's afraid of that outcome.
 

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Whatever happened with that Aziz Ansari story? I remember skimming through that blog and it seemed more a like bad sexual experience than a sexual assault.

Doesn't feel right lumping it together with this weird shit.
wouldn't recommend mouthing off when you admit to only "skimming through the blog"
 

Buzzman

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,549
Maybe when you use the wrong words because you're not that elloquent and all of a sudden you're a,

what he called a "vile and toxic tradition clown".
Hate it when I'm using the wrong words and start accidentally defending sexual harassment.
 

Kaako

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Oct 25, 2017
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Maybe when you use the wrong words because you're not that elloquent and all of a sudden you're a,



what he called a "vile and toxic tradition clown".



It's good that people are coming out but among the many accusations, it's hard to tell who's genuine and who's not.
Keep digging further. You're all over the damn place.
 

Coyote Starrk

The Fallen
Oct 30, 2017
53,193
Captain America's casual sexism....


Wait how is that sexism? The names aside how is saying there are different types of people sexism? Some people are more suited for the family life and others aren't. Now I have no idea if his examples are accurate I know nothing of either actress outside their movies, but I don't see how that could be construed as sexist. You could use the same exact language and use 2 different male celebrities and it would have the same meaning.
 

Buzzman

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's good that people are coming out but among the many accusations, it's hard to tell who's genuine and who's not.
ON WHAT BASIS?. If there's a spike in reported homicides/robberies/theft/ do you also go "WELL GEE I DON'T KNOW GUYS, SOME OF THESE MIGHT BE FAKE WHO KNOWS."

I'm not defending sexual harassment though.
/facepalm.
No but he is. That's why he's being called a clown.
 

fertygo

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't even think these Cavill's comment is just simply his answer to "Why you don't have a GF" question anymore.. He turned it to expressing to what he dislike in current climate, the debate about what's "consent".

Needless to say this opinion of his is fucking garbage.
 

DrBo42

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
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The problem is it's always a bad faith argument. When you start your argument with "going up to a woman at a club and being accused of rape" and following up with pining for the days where you can pursue a woman after they say no then exactly what are the "bad aspects" and "good aspects" being alluded to? Where are these "good aspects" being truly taken away at?

Still looking for them receipts of being accused of rape for approaching a woman at a bar. Surely if this is a widespread epidemic for men that is worth putting aside #metoo their are countless records to justify these fears? Surely.
I agree with you about the false rape accusation bit, it's an irrational fear that has no data to support it.

I'm assuming the "good aspects" would be a playful chase/back and forth while the "bad aspects" would be continuing to try and get a yes etc after she says no, making her feel uncomfortable etc. I'm saying there's room for some innocent persistence before a line is crossed in a flirting context. Maybe he believes there isn't room for that at all now.
 

Surfinn

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Oct 25, 2017
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Maybe when you use the wrong words because you're not that elloquent and all of a sudden you're a,



what he called a "vile and toxic tradition clown".



It's good that people are coming out but among the many accusations, it's hard to tell who's genuine and who's not.
What do you think is more important/concerning.. The waves of women stepping forward and sharing their stories of abuse or the very few instances when someone is falsely accused?
 

broncobuster

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Oct 26, 2017
8,139
Whatever happened with that Aziz Ansari story? I remember skimming through that blog and it seemed more a like bad sexual experience than a sexual assault.

Doesn't feel right lumping it together with this weird shit.

In what sense? I think he's still working. Unless it's a case like Kevin Spacey, a lot of actors called out earlier this year and the end of last are still working. Maybe keeping a little quiet.

It's another reason why Henry's apprehension is pretty unfounded.
 
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Maybe when you use the wrong words because you're not that elloquent and all of a sudden you're a,
Do you mean like if you went up to a girl and went "hey, want to get coffee" and she goes, "WHAT, NO YOU RAPIST!"

because that's not really happening at all and normally goes "hey you want to get a coffee?" "Oh, um no thanks"

Now if you continue to ask over and over, following, imposing yourself after a clear "no", well...
 

Phire Phox

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Oct 27, 2017
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User Banned (Permanent): Disingenuous, misogynist argument, history of dismissing concerns on racism and sexism.
Don't really blame him. We're damn near at the point where looking at a woman is considered sexual harassment/assault.