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Pooroomoo

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Oct 28, 2017
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Not seeing much praise for the storytelling, which automatically means I'm out. I can't get into JRPGs anymore unless I'm actually invested in the story & characters.

Jeuxvideo.com : Octopath Traveler is a game in which the narration is very important and it has one of the best writing I ever experienced in a JRPG, all eras confonded.
 

scitek

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Oct 27, 2017
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Not to seem pretentious but I think a lot of people are going to into this game expecting the wrong thing. Wasn't it heavily inspired by a creators D&D group? Its not really meant to be a heavily intertwined story. Everyone has their own personal venture to go on.

It seems to be more like a western RPG than a JRPG due to the mission/story structure.

The game's creators invoked FF6's name, so you can't be surprised when people expect something similar.
 

Disclaimer

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Oct 25, 2017
11,536
So from what I'm understanding each character's story is essentially in its own separate universe? So the events of one character's story are of no consequence to anyone else's and none of the characters will act as if they've met each other before even if they had in a different characters' story? That sounds pretty shitty to me tbh. I'd rather they just didn't meet up at all if it's going to be like that.

This is completely incorrect. Characters' stories have background connections that inform world-building. Characters talk to each other and bond outside of their personal storylines, and offer insights on each others' situations.
 

Firemind

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Oct 25, 2017
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Happy Console Gamer gave it a 8.5/10.

I respect Johnny a lot since he's a big JRPG fan. Apparently he did it the same order I was planning to do: Olberic, Tressa, Cyrus, Ophilia. lol

Seems like the best part is the battle system and the worst part the grinding aspect depending on the person's tolerance to it. He didn't touch on the repetitive quest design and linear dungeon structure, which doesn't surprise me since he's an oldschool JRPG fan. Personally, I would have liked dungeons to be more than grindy filler. It's not the game's fault though since it wasn't advertised to have spectacular dungeon design. Still, linear dungeons with branching paths that lead to chests is so last century. Get with the times!
 

Phonzo

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Oct 26, 2017
4,817
Actually I said the opposite. I played the entire thing, which is how I know that 31 of the 32 chapters follow the exact same pattern (go to town, watch cut-scenes, do some Path Actions, go to a dungeon, fight a boss, fin). People who haven't finished all eight stories don't really have a sense of just how repetitive the game is.
Hey Jason, off the record, if you were to put a number on this game. What would it be?
 

60fps

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Dec 18, 2017
3,492
So from what I'm understanding each character's story is essentially in its own separate universe? So the events of one character's story are of no consequence to anyone else's and none of the characters will act as if they've met each other before even if they had in a different characters' story? That sounds pretty shitty to me tbh. I'd rather they just didn't meet up at all if it's going to be like that.
Yeah.
Actually I said the opposite. I played the entire thing, which is how I know that 31 of the 32 chapters follow the exact same pattern (go to town, watch cut-scenes, do some Path Actions, go to a dungeon, fight a boss, fin). People who haven't finished all eight stories don't really have a sense of just how repetitive the game is.
Yeah absolutely. Thanks for the good review. You saved me some money for now!
 

OrdinaryPrime

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Oct 27, 2017
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With these scores, it looks like a solid ps+ title.

Damn, I thought it was going to go on Gamepass instead!

Withholding final judgement until I can play through it, but between this and his XC2 review I really have to question why Jason Schreier is reviewing JRPGs for Kotaku? I can appreciate an against-the-grain review, but he seems extremely down on both games when most others are not, and for reasons that seem to be summed up mostly by "it's a JRPG."

He loves jRPGs.
 

TYRANITARR

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Oct 28, 2017
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Withholding final judgement until I can play through it, but between this and his XC2 review I really have to question why Jason Schreier is reviewing JRPGs for Kotaku? I can appreciate an against-the-grain review, but he seems extremely down on both games when most others are not, and for reasons that seem to be summed up mostly by "it's a JRPG."

Yeah... his complaints do seem mostly like "its a JPRG". I mean do FFV or VI or VII dungeons really get complex? Don't they follow the same structure: Explore Town > Dunegon > Boss > Story Event > Repeat ?

That's pretty much how "old school" JRPGs worked. Can someone provide a counter example? I mean even the beloved Chrono Trigger can be summed up the same way.


I think being disappointed that the game doesnt have an overall BAD GUY, BAND TOGETHE, SAVE EVERYONE plot is a valid criticism of this game. If I played this without knowing that and thinking there would be one, I would be disappointed too.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hey Jason, off the record, if you were to put a number on this game. What would it be?

are you asking a reviewer whose publication did away with numbered scores on reviews because of the negative aspects associated with putting a numbered score on a review to put a numbered score on a review?

lol

just read his review, it's well written and goes in depth on the game in a way a number cannot

Right? I'm excited for midnight tonight

I wish I could do midnight, I'll be diving in tomorrow evening
 

Zelas

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Oct 25, 2017
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Storytelling presentation and pacing seems like it tripped up another jrpg. Who knew that such an important factor of the genre would be so difficult.
 

dharmapolice

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Oct 25, 2017
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After the credits rolled on Octopath Traveler, I took a 15-minute break before I sat back down, grabbed my controller, and went back to my save file to play more. This, in spite of the fact I'd played 53 hours on my journey to complete the path of Therion, the thief whose story I'd chosen at the beginning. The more I played, the more I loved it.

- From IGN

I mean, this is essentially what I hope for in a JRPG
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Better than expected so far I predicted 77 - 79 but it seems the battle system, music and the charm from the demo are still just as good throughout. Definitely gonna pick this up when I get paid at the end of the month!
 

No Depth

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Oct 27, 2017
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Was so looking forward to this, and while the strengths seem solid, the flaws that many of these reviews point out have me willing to hold off for a price cut or to play the many other great jRPGs I have on my backlog. The rush I felt to make time to play this day 1 since announcement just died off over the last couple weeks as fears became reality.
 

DukeBlue

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Nov 6, 2017
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Imagine thinking that an 84 on Metacritic is bargain bin tier. I feel like some of the people in this thread have no interest in OT and are only here to downplay it's reviews
 

Disclaimer

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Oct 25, 2017
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A bit disappointed by this, the characters are all incredibly unique so seeing them interact properly for the main story's sake with a single villain/goal after their stories end would've been great. Still, sounds like a good game overall.

We don't know what awaits in the postgame, which is where the Bravely team deftly hid a large portion of story. There's an entire region to explore with dungeons and climactic final boss music after you complete the game, which Jason Schreier says he didn't experience.
 

OléGunner

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Oct 25, 2017
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Very good reviews. Enjoyed the demo, even if I could tell it could be flawed in a few aspects especially in terms of repetitiveness.
It seems meeting most of the 8 characters plays out in nearly identical ways as Jason says above?

I'm not in a JRPG grinding mood anyway so will pick this up later in the year at a discount.
 

ThisIsMyDogKyle

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Oct 25, 2017
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Some of you people are overdramatic as hell lol. Like, when did an 84 stop being a really good score and when did reviews with a positive tone just apparently stop mattering?
 

Absoludacrous

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Oct 26, 2017
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Imagine thinking that an 84 on Metacritic is bargain bin tier. I feel like some of the people in this thread have no interest in OT and are only here to downplay it's reviews

84 kind of falls in that sweet spot where you can choose to pay attention to the glowing reviews or the negative reviews and take away exactly what you want from it
 

ChemicalWorld

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Dec 6, 2017
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As someone that hasn't been interested in JRPGs for some time I'm ignoring Jason's review. The game is hitting all the right nostalgia buttons for the early period of JRPGs I used to enjoy and the lack of an over reaching story arc doesn't phase me in the slightest. I need to hurry up and finish God of War so I can get stuck in!
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah... his complaints do seem mostly like "its a JPRG". I mean do FFV or VI or VII dungeons really get complex? Don't they follow the same structure: Explore Town > Dunegon > Boss > Story Event > Repeat ?

That's pretty much how "old school" JRPGs worked. Can someone provide a counter example? I mean even the beloved Chrono Trigger can be summed up the same way.

Probably the explicit breakdown of this game into chapters makes the structure more obvious to people who would have overlooked it in a game without those explicit markers. Also it sounds like the developers did not intend a person to actually go through all 8 stories in a single playthrough but instead focus on a couple, so they may not have put measures into place to ensure that people who did want to play all 8 in one go had an optimal experience.
 

OuterLimits

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Nov 2, 2017
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Why only the Kotaku review? Many others have stated liking those parts, such as Jeuxvideo and IGN. Why should people's decision be based off of Kotaku?

Some people use whichever review is most critical. For the most part the game is scoring very well, yet we have quite a few tossing words like "mediocre" and acting like most reviews are bad .
 

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Servbot24

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Why do they need to converge? I am perfectly okay with each character having their own story. In fact I prefer it.

Getting string Saga Frontier vibes from this. Not a bad thing
It's just not appealing to me. I've never cared for games with multiple character options. I like having 'my guy', or at least my party.
 

nycgamer4ever

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Oct 30, 2017
861
Yes because one negative review so far means it's bad.

No it doesn't mean that but the test in that review confirms several things that are huge deal killers for me and a lot of people. I'm sure i will still find enjoyment in the game but for $60 Stories not connecting, structural issues, grindy and repetitive are no nos for me. Glad I didn't pre-order. Will definitely pick it up on sale later on though. Will be getting Ys instead.
 

Phonzo

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Oct 26, 2017
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just read his review, it's well written and goes in depth on the game in a way a number cannot

Dont need to. I know his thoughts on the game, and i'm getting it regardless based on what i liked about the demo. it was just out of pure curiosity. I never thought he would actually give an answer anyways.
 

MelliiDragon

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't think the dungeons being similar is that big of a surprise considering we also had previews saying that the dungeons are short and therefore resource a management isn't a big issue. So I do think it's true that the dungeons are repetitive in nature and designing elaborate and unique dungeons was not a priority for this game, even when compared to other JRPGs.

Reading some of Reviews the game seems desined alot around being a good Game to Pick up and Play where you can play 30-60 Minutes and feel satisfied. And not the best game for Long playing sessions. (Like mentioned in the Gamexplain Review) And the Chapter Structure seems to be very episodic instead of a long story. Like an Episodic TV Show where you watch an episode everyday with a complete Plot, instead of a show with an 25 Episode story Line.

I wonder if the structure will lead to more people finishing it over time than other jrpgs, because it should be easy to get back into the game even if you didn't play for a Month (at least Story wise), or just playing it now and then
 

EnronERA

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Oct 25, 2017
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84 kind of falls in that sweet spot where you can choose to pay attention to the glowing reviews or the negative reviews and take away exactly what you want from it

Yeah, and what is more important/less annoying/etc to one reviewer might not be to another, thus affecting their score. Given what is actually in the reviews I read, the game for ME seems like it would be in solid 7 territory....which I might like, or maybe not like so much.
 

Firemind

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah... his complaints do seem mostly like "its a JPRG". I mean do FFV or VI or VII dungeons really get complex? Don't they follow the same structure: Explore Town > Dunegon > Boss > Story Event > Repeat ?

That's pretty much how "old school" JRPGs worked. Can someone provide a counter example? I mean even the beloved Chrono Trigger can be summed up the same way.
The problem is that it's 2018 and dungeons are still linearly pathed. You can have some backtracking and puzzles to keep things more interesting.
 

Jecht

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Oct 25, 2017
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Actually I said the opposite. I played the entire thing, which is how I know that 31 of the 32 chapters follow the exact same pattern (go to town, watch cut-scenes, do some Path Actions, go to a dungeon, fight a boss, fin). People who haven't finished all eight stories don't really have a sense of just how repetitive the game is.

I'm sorry people are being so toxic to you. It shouldn't be this way.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Nashville
No it doesn't mean that but the test in that review confirms several things that are huge deal killers for me and a lot of people. I'm sure i will still find enjoyment in the game but for $60 Stories not connecting, structural issues, grindy and repetitive are no nos for me. Glad I didn't pre-order. Will definitely pick it up on sale later on though. Will be getting Ys instead.
I doubt its lot of people.