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US PoliERA 2018 |OT6| An Unmitigated Disaster
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Gowdy soul snatched while the chamber applauds Strzok.
Swalwell moves to subpoena Bannon, goodlatte doesn't know the rules but swalwell does.
Swalwell moves to subpoena Bannon, goodlatte doesn't know the rules but swalwell does.
I mean. I could have told you that. In fact I think we had this discussion the last time O'Rourke announced his huge fundraising haul.
I have to imagine O'Rourke is running the most visible statewide Democratic campaign this side of Ann Richards. There's got to be a ton of frustrated Texas liberals who are ready to throw everything they've got at the great liberal savior.
Let's see. Casey and Wolf coasting against weak opponents, new Congressional map upending things. I'd say it's possible Democrats manage to win the State House at this rate.
You don't even know enough about Crowley to not call him a "centrist" (because establishment must equal centrist right?) but you're mad about this.
I think I'm whether or not to table a motion to bring Steve Bannon back for refusing to answer questions previously
Sure would be nice of MSNBC to put at the bottom what they're voting on.
There was a motion to hold Steve Bannon to the same rules as Strzok is being held to and to hold Bannon in contempt for when he defied a congressional subpeona. The vote is for whether to table that motion. Republicans want to table it and Dems want to hear it now.
Same with CNN. I'm just tuning in. what the heck is the vote for?
For some reason, Gowdy thinks he's always hot shit in these committee hearings despite falling on his face in them over and over again for years
Actually it gets immeasurably better next January because when Dems control the House they get to control all of these congressional hearings. And stage their own against Republicans.
Moving off the ballot is apparently annoying per the article, and Crowley responded on twitter saying he is not running.
In putting up the tweet accusing him of it she's suddenly exhibiting all the worst obnoxious conspiratorial traits of certain types we saw pop up in 2016.
I think the general problem is one of only two political parties being like this and continuing to devolve as the years go on is not good long term regardless of who wins the midterms
It also doesn't seem like he's done anything to do so -- he would need to voluntarily vacate the party line, which the WFP has asked him to do and he has not.
I think her comments came on a little strong, but it doesn't really seem like Crowley has done all he can to make this process go smoothly.
Hopefully she'll learn from this and show more restraint in the future.
Just like people here were talking about AOC's "cult of personality" earlier. So I'd also ask what bothers you all about her so much. Pfft.
Are you for real? Do you have any self-awareness? Your response to a note about a cult of personality about her is to claim everyone is "bothered" by her. That ultra-sensitivity to criticism is a sign of...you take a guess.
In my original post about this subject I stated I've like her so far, and I've been glad she won, except this was a misstep by her and careless.
I don't go "all or nothing" into people. Politicians I like can do dumb things. But sure, label me an establishment centrist or something, anything to prolong the armchair rebellion.
If she wasn't aware of that though, I can understand why she would be upset.
Being annoyed is understandable. Doing what she just did isn't.
I like her a whole lot! I think it's a good thing she primaried Crowley, and I think she's sharp as hell, and is also super pragmatic about who should run where. I also think her tweeting that shit out was a bad look, and that even though Crowley could be doing more to get himself off the ballot, it's probably not worth the time and money, since those could be spent either supporting AOC or other more competitive races.
As long as he encourages his supporters to vote for AOC, I don't see the problem. I get why she may be irritated about this whole thing, but there are way more constructive ways to address the issue. Also, Crowley is most certainly not a centrist. He's fairly progressive, just not as progressive as AOC.
Eh, this is the crux of her issue.
Without vacating the party line voluntarily, there's nothing the WFP can do. And that's understandably annoying.
That tweet barely broached 'strong phrasing'.
Crowely showed her zero respect by not showing up for his concession calls multiple times, then it looks like he's running against her as a third party candidate.
I'm surprised it wasn't more aggressive.
It's really stupid, but I'm not privy to the inner machinations of the NY political machine. It could be difficult than it sounds to vacate the party line. If it comes out that it's super easy, then yeah, that's shitty of Crowley.
Dr. Benton Quest Yeah, no-showing concession calls and debates is a super bad look for Crowley. I just wish she could have handled things in a less public way. I just don't want there to be division in the party come November. (Sorry, I don't know how to do fancy quotes in edits)
I'd say I'll be happy when he's gone but some other right wing asshole will probably replace him.
I don't have to guess and neither do you. I'll just tell you. My sensitivity about this is comes from a suspicion of how New York Democrats can behave when challenged, a point I've already hinted at earlier. Here's a stronger example: one of Crowley's mailers touts his endorsement from the Women's Equality Party. That sounds like a great local party except that the WEP was originally started to help split the WFP vote after it got into a spat with Andrew Cuomo.
It isn't a misstep by her when you consider the comments she's made all through the campaign. Other Democrats in the town wouldn't meet her or would tell her not to publicize it because of the incumbent. (That I get but it looks a bit peevish too.) She asked for a debate and they rolled their eyes like the race was an annoyance. In this morning's tweet, AOC talks about how Crowley's campaign won't do a one on one concession, which is the norm, is it not? He acted like she was an inconvenience and that's understandably coloring her view of his behavior. He conceded but won't even say her name in the quote given to The Times. "Our nominee for the 14th District" has a name. There's a message being sent when he won't use it.
That's not sensitivity. That's building up into suspicion. He's behaved in a way that she feels entitled to call it out and that's fine. And if she's wrong, then hopefully the tweet will provoke Crowley's campaign to at least try to remove his name from the WFP ballot like they asked. (I feel like some of us are missing this. This was no write-in. Crowley got himself on their ballot and won't leave; it's not so crazy to think he might make a last hurrah in a city scene that allows fusion voting and has seen incumbents do that in the past.) In which case, her tweet will have proven useful in that it provokes the right response from Crowley's office.
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Ha ha Strzok thinks Virginians "smell", according to Goodlatte. Poor Goodlatte insulted that there is inter-county rivalries in his state.
Annoying, but hardly impossible, and Crowley could do more if he wanted to make his support for her crystal clear. Ocasio-Cortez may be playing to her base with her chosen approach to this story, but it's not unheard of for Democrats to go against the party flow when convenient for them locally. Seems like politics as usual to me, just from a novel angle.
OK, I figured as such. I just wonder if he figures that the time and money spent to get off the ballot would be better spent elsewhere, or if he's just being petty.
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