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jroc74

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Yes it's wrong for you to judge her.

I'll give a personal example.

My relative had a retail store he owned. He let me work there after school and when I graduated high school.

I wanted to do something else with my life, so I joined a temp agency. I vowed to not go and work for him again even if I needed the money. I wanted to make it on my own.

Granted I got some job skills there but mainly just work experience.

You can't judge her based on what you put in the op.
 

Cocaloch

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It's a fact of life that rich people get more opportunities than everyone else, I never said all rich people are evil.

I'd care more about this issue if it was someone of working class or someone in poverty getting passed over because of their class, because, you know, that happens far more often than someone getting passed up for being wealthy.

But it's not a fact of life that people with rich parents necessarily get things from their rich parents.

I was born into a very rich old money family. I don't want to get into it, but they didn't like me very much. As a result my actual cultural upbringing was much more shaped by lower and middle class influences, and my material condition was almost entirely shaped by poverty level work I could get for myself. At one point I even lived on 60 dollars a month after rent in Chicago for several years. If I would have gotten sick or needed a car I could not have survived.

I would have been upset when applying to work at a library someone looked at my permanent address, saw my parents' house that I didn't even live in but was the most constant place for me to actually get mail, and denied me the job because it's a very expensive house.

We need mechanisms to address class in employment, but this detective work isn't the approach that we should use at all. Personally I'm a very big fan of finding ways to help get more lower class people into good higher education institutions, and this is something that's clearly been getting better over the last 30 years.

Yeah, fair. But it's already ridiculous to take into account tuition costs when hiring an intern, so you know. We're already past the point of no return lol

I'm still confused about why OP thinks the $2m dollar house (so creepy to look this up) was paid for by her parents and friend's parents for a whole group of them to live in. That's such a bizarre conclusion to come to.

Yeah, that was more directed at that Canadian poster in particular.
 
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Gotdatmoney

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It's a fact of life that rich people get more opportunities than everyone else, I never said all rich people are evil.

It's an assunption she's rich. She was a student athlete. What if ahe was there on scholarship? The address on the resume, who says that's "her" house? Who says it isn't a friends house that she is renting a room? Who says her parents didn't go broke? OP is just projecting and even if je wasn't being rich doesn't mean she will get another shot at an in in this industry. That is again, an assumption.

Saying he cares what happens to rich people is literally attributing the idea that because they have money they should get leas consideration. Which ignores the idea that we dont knkw if she is rich, OP is just assuming. She didnt give any info about her financial status.
 

Quikies83

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I mean... you said you'd help..
Pass her resume to HR like you said and let them do their job of analyzing the CV.

You can't go through life with such jealousy bra
 

nomster

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Being a college student athlete seems like adequate if not superior background to majoring in sports marketing iMO. The athletes at my university got lots of opportunity to interact with the AD's office.
 

Forerunner

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You know nothing about her besides what is on her resume. So yes, I would say you are being unfair. Everyone deserves an equal chance regardless of their background. It comes down to their qualifications not their social upbringing.
 

Yurikerr

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It's not wrong, she's (supposedly) wealthy. You know, rich people don't need to be treated equally, they can just buy their opportunities. (this is sarcasm, I think I haven't expressed myself well)

Nobody thinks that this just creates a never ending cycle. People with money/influence are denied a normal chance/opportunity because they don't need it. Then they choose to "buy" their way into things, and then this creates a stigma and other rich folks can't get opportunities.

And I mean, what's the problem of her being rich and wanting to work? This type of thinking is what create figures like the girls from the Clueless film.
 
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If her not having experience or a degree in the field is a disqualifier for an internship then I must be completely wrong in what I thought an internship was and what they are commonly used for.

The rest of the stuff about her being wealthy alone is enough for me to think the answer to the question in the title is "Yes."
You arent wrong. Most internships are just like prototype job offers. Make a good enough resume, and you get invited to an interview. Usually they do backtrack your social media, but if you got that all sealed up, it might be a plus really.

Psychoanalzing her whereabouts and then applying some assumptive logic to it is something else however.

Agree, but I still won't care too much about that if it does happen.
Well you should. Girl wants an internship to begin with. Why should it be okay to pass someone up who is wealthly with the idea that ''because of their money they can get in somewhere else''?

Why would you disregard a Resume just because she's rich? Graduating from a college like that will only bring benefits to the company.
Its the same as disregarding someone as dumb because their parents are poor. Same flawed assumption and conclusion.

It's not wrong, she's (supposedly) wealthy. You know, rich people don't need to be treated equally, they can just buy their opportunities.
So then its okay to pass up on her resume? Like, you would not know she is rich (Or her parents are) based on that resume. That is all on OP's detective work.

Again, although i said it sarcastically, that girl could just buy the company or OP's job and be done with it. The fact that she knows she has no experience in that particular field and asks for something like an internship (Literally starting at the bottom) should tell you a thing or two on how much she wants the work experience to start with. It would be a whole lotta better then ''Well she is rich, gotta reject her, she is spoiled, she will find other places''.

Every assumption can be proven or disproven with an interview. That's all there is to it.
 

Cantaim

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- the university I'm imagining her parents and friends parents picked this up for her and her friends to live in post grad. (And I'm not stalking I literally google mapped to see how close she is to our office and first result is a Zillow posting)
That sounds like stalking/creepy behavior to me OP. why the hell do you care where this girl lives in relation to your office? You even admit you are not in HR so why do you care where she lives?
 

TyrantII

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It's not wrong, she's (supposedly) wealthy. You know, rich people don't need to be treated equally, they can just buy their opportunities.

Nobody thinks that this just creates a never ending cycle. People with money/influence are denied a normal chance/opportunity because they don't need it. Then they choose to "buy" their way into things, and then this creates a stigma and other rich folks can't get opportunities.

And I mean, what's the problem of her being rich and wanting to work? This type of thinking is what create figures like the girls from the Clueless film.

It's "wrong" for OP to make assumptions about her without having never met her.

Cool your jets
 

Deeke

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Passion can outweight experience at times, and she may surprise you. People are often not the sum of their collective scholastic achievements. Might not hurt to check in and see what she can do.
 

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Coming from a rich family isn't her fault, and it doesn't make her a bad person. She may be, but she may not be too.

Really the only thing you should be worried about is if she is qualified for the job or not. If she is, then great. If she isn't, then bye bye. Nothing else matters besides being able to do the job.
 

Yurikerr

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It's "wrong" for OP to make assumptions about her without having never met her.

Cool your jets
Sorry, my post wasn't directed to OP, but the guy who said that he doesn't care if she's not treated with justice. (maybe my sarcasm wasn't evident too).

I think OP is wrong in doing all the personal research, but at least he acknowledge that maybe he's crossing the line.

So then its okay to pass up on her resume? Like, you would not know she is rich (Or her parents are) based on that resume. That is all on OP's detective work.

Again, although i said it sarcastically, that girl could just buy the company or OP's job and be done with it. The fact that she knows she has no experience in that particular field and asks for something like an internship (Literally starting at the bottom) should tell you a thing or two on how much she wants the work experience to start with. It would be a whole lotta better then ''Well she is rich, gotta reject her, she is spoiled, she will find other places''.

Every assumption can be proven or disproven with an interview. That's all there is to it.

Yeah, that line was sarcasm. I think I didn't got that across very well. I don't think it's OK to dismiss her because she's "might" me rich.

Judging people because of race/religion/social status are almost always the wrong thing to do.
 

Zoe

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How do you know she didn't get scholarships for college and prep school?

How many people actually go into the field they major in? (spoiler: not many)

How do you know that her experience as an athlete didn't provide anything that could transfer to an internship?

Why are you looking for experience in an intern?

Spanish seems like a really weird major for someone who wants to get into sports marketing.
Not if she was a full time athlete and couldn't take on the load of a different degree. She probably could have tested out of most of her Spanish classes.
 

Pet

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Why are you surprised OP? Wealth isn't just physical money, cultural wealth includes the ability to network and have the resources in order to do things in industries that are otherwise brutal.

My neighbors are very well off. I love them. They're kind and quiet. Their daughter went to school at a community college, went to film school, and tried to get her foot into the industry by taking on lots of unpaid internships, etc. She doesn't need to worry, and her parents don't care, if she never makes a lot of money in her passion, because she's set for life anyway. The only reason she was able to do this was living off her parents, which I have no problems with. But, I acknowledge that advantage. In college, I lived with a guy whose parents are loaded. He fucked around and after college opened his own business buying and selling homes. The only reason he could do that was because his parents gave him a ton of money to begin with, to buy a few homes.

There's no way in hell I'd be able to do shit like that. My parents are not wealthy. We don't have the kind of money that lots of people around us do, family money. I have to work long and shitty hours to have nice things. People who are free to pursue their passion and also enjoy the nicer things in life (safe neighborhoods, good hospitals, healthy habits, relaxed minds) without worry are almost always backed by money. No hate there, just a fact of life.


I know a ton of people in the movie industry (after all, this IS so cal). The ONLY ones that are actually not starving artists, and aren't stressed or working part time in retail or whatever, who come out to dinners with us and have nice long chats over cups of wine-- they're the ones whose families are MEGA wealthy. The others are usually struggling and broke, very stressed, working part time jobs to support themselves, etc. c'est la vie.
 

Watchtower

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Why did you look up the tuition for her university?
Why is it important to note whether or not her university is "highly pretentious"?
Why did you look up the tuition for her high school?
Why did you look up the sale date and monthly rent of where she's currently living?
Why is it important to note whether or not said address is where her parents might live?

And most importantly:

Is it normal to look up this kind of information when determining a candidate for an interview?

Because I sincerely hope it's not.
 

IPSF

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Dude, you're a stalker. Jesus. Shit like this makes me never want to apply for a job again. You looked up her rent!? WTF?

If she's qualified for the position put her forward. That's. It.
 
Why did you look up the tuition for her university?
Why is it important to note whether or not her university is "highly pretentious"?
Why did you look up the tuition for her high school?
Why did you look up the sale date and monthly rent of where she's currently living?
Why is it important to note whether or not said address is where her parents might live?

And most importantly:

Is it normal to look up this kind of information when determining a candidate for an interview?

Because I sincerely hope it's not.
None of that kind of information is relevant to a resume. It is however standard that they search your social media. If you are displayed as a party animal taking shots off bellies as your profile pic, one can question the professionalism an applier can have.

But no, everything mentioned is not normal to look up. The fact that the overwhelming majority of users in this thread think he is an asshole for doing so should say enough. Like, this thread backfired, bad. *

*oddly enough there are also a few users who agree with OP, which makes this ever the more confusing and entertaining at the same time.
 

UMadCuzUBad

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Does anyone else find it weird OP googled where she lived in relation to the office? Like what the fuck is that creepy ass shit?
 

TheCthultist

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But no, everything mentioned is not normal to look up. The fact that the overwhelming majority of users in this thread think he is an asshole for doing so should say enough. Like, this thread backfired, bad. *

*oddly enough there are also a few users who agree with OP, which makes this ever the more confusing and entertaining at the same time.
I wouldn't say it backfired. OP asked if it made him an asshole for doing this, the thread answered, and now he can (hopefully) move forward with this in a less asshole-ish way. It was a learning experience more than anything else... Some of the folks backing up his original thoughts and the weird background check he did might have a lesson to learn from it too, honestly.
 

FunkyMonkey

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you sound pretty insecure op. perhaps someone else should be parsing the resumes ? an associate or something
 

31GhostsIV

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People take internships to earn experience in a field, right? So does it matter that she's a Spanish major? That's why she's looking for an internship to begin with.

Also I don't think psychoanalysis means what you think it means.
 

PoppaBK

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You know nothing about her besides what is on her resume. So yes, I would say you are being unfair. Everyone deserves an equal chance regardless of their background. It comes down to their qualifications not their social upbringing.
She is asking for prefferential treatment though, not an equal chance. An equal chance would be submitting your resume to the person responsible for hiring the intern.
 

A Grizzly Bear

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Does anyone else find it weird OP googled where she lived in relation to the office? Like what the fuck is that creepy ass shit?
It's not that uncommon. I've seen it used in the past to address whether it would be an issue if the person was on-call or had to stay late. I've had it come up in my interviews too because I live "far" (by locals standards) to the downtown core. But, that should only be a google maps direction time estimate at most, not an opportunity for you to become an impromptu real estate estimator for the purpose of judging the candidate.

She is asking for prefferential treatment though, not an equal chance. An equal chance would be submitting your resume to the person responsible for hiring the intern.
I see a lot of people mentioning nepotism and preferential treatment. Unless I missed something, I don't see where it was indicated she would just be given the job. OP even says he could get her resume in the hands of the HR person responsible and probably get her an interview. You could call it preferential treatment, but all of that is pretty standard with referrals.
 

Ex Lion Tamer

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Someone with a liberal arts degree probably wouldn't make this thread.

Do people with STEM degrees have a reputation for being dicks? I feel like I get that impression from reddit but I don't know many people with STEM degrees so I wouldn't know. I know my profession certainly has an unsavory reputation so just wondering.
 
Does anyone else find it weird OP googled where she lived in relation to the office? Like what the fuck is that creepy ass shit?
Its even weirder given how he arrived at a really odd conclusion based on the assumptions his Googling enabled him to do.

I wouldn't say it backfired. OP asked if it made him an asshole for doing this, the thread answered, and now he can (hopefully) move forward with this in a less asshole-ish way. It was a learning experience more than anything else... Some of the folks backing up his original thoughts and the weird background check he did might have a lesson to learn from it too, honestly.
Given his description, it amazes me how he couldn't have come to the same conclusion as the rest of the thread.
The people who backed that up are the kind of shit recruiters i have had to deal with unfortunately.

People take internships to earn experience in a field, right? So does it matter that she's a Spanish major? That's why she's looking for an internship to begin with.
It matters when you have money and have zero experience. It also helps when OP comes from a wealthy background, too. /s.

Okay ill stop eyeballing the OP. I think the point is clear here.
 

ViviOggi

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Someone with a liberal arts degree probably wouldn't make this thread.
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Also why this fuss about an internship, why would you be looking for an internship if you already had work experience in the respective field? Am I missing something here?
 

Pirateluigi

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Do people with STEM degrees have a reputation for being dicks? I feel like I get that impression from reddit but I don't know many people with STEM degrees so I wouldn't know. I know my profession certainly has an unsavory reputation so just wondering.

I think it's more of a matter of STEM graduates putting a lot more emphasis on the specifics of the degree, where most other fields don't put much stock into the major. It makes sense for STEM jobs where you need a specific and quantifiable skill set, but most office jobs it makes zero difference in success potential.
 

spam musubi

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It's a fucking internship dude. Why does work experience matter so much? Her background not matching is the only question, but looking at her financial status and such is a ridiculously douchey move.
 

Fulminator

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Others have sufficiently commented about her supposed monetary status

I will say this, though. Personally I think that being on a sports team can equate to work experience (entry level stuff though). You are learning to work as a team, follow instructions from your coach, etc. This is the same kind of stuff you would get at your standard retail or fast food job, which is really the only experience most college students will have by the time they graduate , minus some sort of internship.

The majoring in Spanish thing is eh. A lot of people major in things because they like to study it, and aren't really thinking about job stuff(whether that's good or bad is up to you). It could be a strength to have someone bilingual.

Anyways if I were in your shoes op, I would just schedule her for an interview, meet her and hear what she has to say. Or even just email her, and talk for a bit. It's not like you have to hire her.

Anyways, just my two cents

E: also, how do you expect people to get experience with out working. Beyond specialized jobs that need a lot of training, most people can learn a job without needing to go to school for it. If she's passionate about sports and is a decent writer that makes her qualified enough I'm, unless more goes into it than I think.
 

Ravensmash

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Pass on the CV.

If she's massively underqualified as you suspect, then she won't get the job.

You're not the HR department, you're just honouring your own offer of assistance to your friend.
 

UMadCuzUBad

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Because she doesnt have work experience in the respective field. She is a Spanish major wanting to go into sports marketing.
So yeah, you missed something here :P
Shes a student athlete trying to get into something sports related? Sounds experienced to me for a fucking internship.

OP is a dick.
 

FelRes

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Brb adding my tuition, parent income, rent, and pictures of my house to my resume. Didn't know they mattered, now I'll be ahead of the game. Do you guys need my bills and prescriptions too?
 

Dimmle

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Do people with STEM degrees have a reputation for being dicks? I feel like I get that impression from reddit but I don't know many people with STEM degrees so I wouldn't know. I know my profession certainly has an unsavory reputation so just wondering.
I don't mean to drag STEM majors, just suggesting that an education with some grounding in humanities can benefit a person's perspective.
 

Ravensmash

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In fact the more I read the OP, the more this is annoying me.

Your complaint boils down to - she's just graduated in a degree you don't value, she's got no work experience (likely because she's been in education) and because her family is wealthy.

Pass on the damn CV.
 

FullMetalx

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The lack of work experience is a pretty big concern for me. From personal experience of having roommates that have wealthy parents, most of them would never work in a fast food restaurant or department store or really any minimum wage type level job because they're "too good" for them. Actually pretty much all of them get hooked up by their parents for internship/job opportunities because they don't really know where to look for themselves. Of course you need to take advantage of personal connections, but not even trying because you know you're pretty much set anyways because "my dad will find me a job after college"? Come on...

I wouldn't judge her on her monetary status, imo it's more about work experience. That first internship/job is the hardest one to get. She was able to contact you because of a friend connection and has no work experience. Ultimately your decision but I suspect there may be better candidates available.
 

ShyMel

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Do you feel as though passing her resume onto HR could cause you to face scrutiny? Do you have a reason to think HR could come back ask why you forwarded her resume to them? If no, then forward her resume on and HR will see if she meets their qualifications.

On another note, are people putting their housing address on resumes now? That just seems reckless.
 

PKthndr

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Why should it matter how rich she is. I've known some pretty prentious rich or well off people, but at the same time I've met some very down to earth, kind wealthy people. What matters is her work experience and degree I suppose. Not giving her the job based on the percieved wealth of her parents doesn't seem like a good reason, and is very judgemental.
 
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