VG247 pulls support and coverage of GOG.com following pro GamerGate tweet [Update: GOG apology]
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This internet tough guy shit after the fact is lame. "Be more careful!" are you for real? He made the apology.
Is he not correct though? They should be more careful with what they post in the future because look what has happened. Read the comments on twitter to their apology, it's given GG's more power and more of a voice and they are now attacking GOG themselves.
Why would you think otherwise? Does GOG and CD Projekt have a history of pro-GG behaviour?
Agreed. Assuming the worst of everyone every time, even against their own word, is not going to make the world a livable place for anyone. If the intention of the tweet was to support GamerGate, they would have doubled down, not apologized.
So has VG247 reinstated support at all? Or are they sticking to their original decision?
Agreed
Agreed
Exactly, especially now that the GG's are going after them now.
They have to be more careful if they don't want to have the image of being for harassing women.
If it's an honest mistake and they say they will do better, they're nothing else to say but keep reminding them that they have to do better.
Their "support" was a joke to begin with this: https://imgur.com/sef4wBN is literally everything they have ever posted on GOG so i don't think it even matters.
"You caved in to harassment!" *proceeds to harass GOG mercilessly for clarifying a tweet*
All these people put together add up to less self-awareness than a mosquito's.
Yes, because "don't make mistakes" is such useful advice for everyone. *rolleyes*
They apologized and called GG a hate movement, for which they're getting a lot of flak from the usual suspects. I think the least we can do is cut them some slack, and maybe even support them for making that statement, reinforce through reward.
To be fair, play asia is constantly shitposting and doubling down on shit lol, gog just made a mistake
Oh I will, I was ready to torch them.
The advice is not "don't make mistakes", it's more "do your research thoroughly next time" which isn't too much to ask, it's the job of the PR team to avoid shit like that.
If they keep being awesome while denouncing hate groups I won't mind giving them repeated business.
They didn't actually specify which "abuse movement" they accidentally supported and as many of us have argued they didn't apologize for spreading hate against journalism.
I think you're missing the point of what "taking a stance" implies.
But we've reached the point of this thread in which VG247 has become the "bad guy" in the story, so... whatever.
User Banned (Permanent): Spreading rhetoric associated with hate and harassment movements.
Someone posted this too. As if the actions of some individuals reflect the whole movement.
[Mod Edit: Removed links to Twitter linked to hate and harassment]
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Well that's fine, just saying the impact would have been bigger if they actually supported GOG to begin with.
So in case nobody has put 2 and 2 together yet (and since i don't feel like going through all 14 pages) the date on the tombstone, august 28, was that date that Leigh Alexander posted her 'gamers don't have to be your audience, gamers are over' article.
So it's not even a GG 'dogwhistle', it's a straight up reference to GG
So it's not even a GG 'dogwhistle', it's a straight up reference to GG
Again, Gamer Gate is a hate movement, there is no nuance to be had. Anyone that associates with them are complicit in all the fuckery it entails.
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Twitter post was about anti-GG people who were later caught in various sexual abuse cases. No place for forgiveness in their heart either!
Nothing good has come out of Gamergate. Anyone supporting Gamergate deserves criticism.
Are you better enough to pull the game from your platform?
The mention of "movement" in your post threw me off. Also do you expect us to forgive or be in any way accepting of people that associate with Gamer Gate, because that "either" you put at the end is throwing me off as well?
The advice is not "don't do mistakes", it is "do basic research". Anyone starting out in marketing gets told to do basic research on anything they post. This does not stop being true just because the marketing is done via twitter.
The mistake here is not just posting the picture, it's not doing research.
While I accepted their apology, I don't think criticizing them for the mistake is bad form at all. They failed Marketing 101, and got themselves into a mess in every possible way due to it. IT was completely unneccessary, and saying this is important, not just for them, but also for other companies to note. Marketing isn't done in a vacuum, and twitter needs the same diligence as any other avenue of marketing.
"Anti-GG", uh huh. And no, sorry, I'm definitely not gonna check out a twitter of a virulent transphobe that I've blocked for a reason, sorry.
Actually, they do, GOG at least - they had a pro-GG thread for ages, as well as several blatant GG pandering groups/recommendations.
It is of course uncertain if that was because of valve-style uncaring ("let the gamers moderate themselves, we're not gonna moderate") or play-asia style active support. It could be either, and we will never know. I'm really trying to be charitable to them, and take them at their word (since the stance they took DID get them GGs opposition, which is good enough for me) - but the history is there, and we shouldn't ignore it outright.
It is all a shame, because I really want to *like* Gog. I want them to be the good competitor to Steam, you know? I would love to be able to recommend them unconditionally!
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Don't push back against general criticism of association with GamerGate by sharing GG propaganda meant to associate male critics of the hate movement with crimes by individuals, acting like those are equal.
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I clarified it, I just though first poster had not read the twitter post. Difference is that their criticism does not make distinction between movement and individuals. If one makes something wrong it represents the whole movement
We've already established at the very inception of GG that they're utter garbage, why did you find the need to post what amounts to nothing else than pro-GG propaganda?
Also, I asked for some further clarification in my follow-up post, would you mind addressing that?
Their follow-up was what made me sure that they were presenting it without criticism, meaning they were basically looking for any opportunity to spread it. The "no place for forgiveness in their heart either!" barb made that much obvious. I don't have patience for "both sides" in 2018, especially when someone is "innocently" sharing materials designed to slander critics more generally.
I'd like to hear an explanation otherwise, but I'm calling this as I see it.
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The movement, the foundations of GG is pure misoginy, the individuals behind those crimes or acts are exactly that, individuals not affiliated to any movement. Anti-GG was not a movement, it was a natural reaction of the society agaisnt something so evil as GG. And a society being agaisnt GG, dosn't mean that all it's individuals are perfect or can't commit crimes.
Also note just who they are sharing. This is pretty much sharing posts from a lesser-known Milo.
"Do research" in the context of posting a random screenshot on twitter seems about as useful as "don't make mistakes". How would you go about it, specifically? You have a screenshot of a game the boss asks you to post on the company's twitter. What tests do you run it through to ensure nothing in it is connected to a hate group?
This seems like such a case of "it's easy as long as it's not my job".
On a serious note, reverse image searches, and a basic "Google search distinct info in the image" (like dates) are mandatory before social media posts with third-party materials go out at many companies. That's a big part of the "work" for people doing social media engagement work.
That's not at all what is being said. Also research is key to marketing, so framing it as some sort of outlandish request, seems like a case of "I have no fucking clue what I am talking about".
I ended up reporting the post, asking for the link to be removed.
Because it is a thread about GOG posting a pro-GG tweet.
I meant the anti-GG movement. Which is a movement and people finding a common ground together, as opposed to individual reactions
Highly doubt that's happening, as they obviously do not feel like the game, or its imagery, has any direct relation with the hate movement.
Your activity in this thread basically amounted to posting something that is unabashedly GG propaganda and then in the same breath push some "both sides" bullshit. Tell us how you really feel.
