That S11 rumour....ehhhhhhhhh.
As someone who grew up being constantly asked "So where are you originally from?" this seems like a questionable choice
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That S11 rumour....ehhhhhhhhh.
As someone who grew up being constantly asked "So where are you originally from?" this seems like a questionable choice
Gutted if true.
This has to mean we have a new album coming, it has to.
We cant say goodbye to Murray without having 9 and 10's OST's out.
Every bit of the preview is gold.
Capaldi is a goddamned treasure.
"Remember where you parked, it's going to come up a lot."
"World War.... 1?"
"World War.... 1?"
Capaldi is a goddamned treasure.
Well, I've loved Murray's work, and he's outlasted every other element of production, so it'll be a shame but also a good chance for someone new to come in and do something different.
Incredible how much he'll have defined the show though. I thought in the last few years we've had fewer tracks that have been memorable and repeatable (later character themes didn't sink in to for me), but you think that then he does a piece like the Heaven Sent moment and knocks it out the part again.
Incredible how much he'll have defined the show though. I thought in the last few years we've had fewer tracks that have been memorable and repeatable (later character themes didn't sink in to for me), but you think that then he does a piece like the Heaven Sent moment and knocks it out the part again.
Silva Screen started releasing some classic soundtracks again recently, which makes me wonder if things have started moving again after the underlying soundtrack rights got sold. Perhaps with soundtrack sales tailing off a bit (IIRC?) and Capaldi being on the way out they've just decided to save everything for an era boxset, maybe with just a limited edition for the physical.
I just watched Last Christmas again. I'll miss Steven Moffat's very broad fairy tale take on Doctor Who. Just a few days after watching Mark Gatiss's Robot of Sherwood, which I think is perhaps the perfect comic episode of Doctor Who, this one is a lovely mind game with a bitter sweet tone.
"...what do you mean, one?"
On your way then you cowboys,
The time will be soon,
When there's blood upon the sawdust
In the Last Chance Saloon
Going back and rewatching series 8 stuff just feels... wrong... now. Just doesn't look right with the shorter hair
The wilder his hair the better the season. He's at maximum power now. He's never been more glorious.
I dig 13's look, it's simpler and has some flair, kind of channeling the 5th and 6th Doctors a bit here. I'm sure there will be a ton of variants with different colors of pants, shirts and suspenders too. So if you're on the fence about it there will probably some changes as the series' progress.
Sad to see Murray Gold go, but a new composer should be great for a fresh start.
Sad to see Murray Gold go, but a new composer should be great for a fresh start.
Do we know who could replace Gold on the score? It makes sense for him to leave at this point, but him staying on the show for s8 and beyond was one of the things that signaled to me that the music will still be a huge part of the show. Also that it was still gonna be good.
It's reasonable to assume any newcomer may have worked with Chris Chibnall in the past. I didn't watch Broadchurch enough to get a clear impression of the incidental music, but Wikipedia lists Ólafur Arnalds as the composer. Chibnall also ran a short-lived production for Starz called Camelot, and the composers there are listed as the Canadian brothers Mychael and Jeff Danna. Mychael won an Oscar for his original score for Life of Pi.
These are just wild guesses based on known past associates. Don't take them seriously.
The Gunfighters is great, but for a long time there was a popular conception that it was terrible.
This is mainly due to a write up in Doctor Who: A Celebration by Jeremy Bentham which claimed that it was the worst Doctor Who story ever. Back in those days, fans had no way to go back and watch older Doctor Who episodes, so younger fans just took it for granted that The Gunfighters was one of the worst Doctor Who stories ever.
As time went on and fans could actually go back and watch it, they realized that it was actually really good and funny, but some of that old concept that it was terrible still remains. It's definitely one of the more unique Doctor Who stories, but delightfully so.
Yeah, I genuinely enjoy The Gunfighters. It's fun and shows some of the more comedic elements of the era. Just, The Ballad of The Last Chance Saloon gets a bit much when you're not watching the show once a week the way it was meant to.
"People keep trying to give me guns and I do wish they wouldn't" is a great line from Hartnell.
"People keep trying to give me guns and I do wish they wouldn't" is a great line from Hartnell.
The song in that episode drove me mad. It was massively overused.
The Gunfighters certainly had a bad rep because of that Haining book (which I poured over dozens of times as a kid), partly because historicals weren't popular with SF fans and partly because lots of UK westerns gave UK-made westerns a bad rep. There are a bunch of 60s Who stories that modern viewers appreciate more than people who were there the first time and The Gunfighters is one of those.
Gunfighters works (apart from that song. Oh god that song sung by Nurse Gladys Emmanuel from Open all Hours) better now because we see it as something the BBC used to do very well in the 60s when they couldn't often pull off SF properly and that was period costume drama, which also makes it seem less dated than say The War Machines- which was both a well-made SF and contemporary (so it looked less dated new and incredibly dated when viewed now. Apart from the odd dodgy accent here and there, Gunfighters does work quite well.
I can also say, it's more watchable than the rather dire A Town Called Mercy only a few years ago
Gunfighters works (apart from that song. Oh god that song sung by Nurse Gladys Emmanuel from Open all Hours) better now because we see it as something the BBC used to do very well in the 60s when they couldn't often pull off SF properly and that was period costume drama, which also makes it seem less dated than say The War Machines- which was both a well-made SF and contemporary (so it looked less dated new and incredibly dated when viewed now. Apart from the odd dodgy accent here and there, Gunfighters does work quite well.
I can also say, it's more watchable than the rather dire A Town Called Mercy only a few years ago
I've got the (short) Broadchurch S1 album, I'd be interested to see what Arnalds could do, but the Broadchurch soundtrack wouldn't strike me as a good example; it's (understandably) rather melancholic.
Town Called Mercy certainly isn't my favourite Series 7 episode, but according to Wikipedia it was the most widely viewed of that series, and had a high viewer appreciation index. I certainly recall nothing "dire" about it. Have I missed the memo again? I always seem to miss the memo, as do the millions of other fans.
I think I enjoyed The Gunfighters first time around, too, but mainly because of what I remember as the rather eerie and unworldly production. I was a small child with little interest in the Wild West, so the subject matter went completely over my head. I only later learned of the historical context. The whole "Americans obsessed with shooting people" theme is a bit of a giggle, looking at the highlights again on YouTube.
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Have you ever considered that you might have a better time on a discussion forum if you're willing to tolerate people having opinions that differ from yours?
I like to point out when opinions that are expressed as if they were beyond debate are in fact very much in the minority. That doesn't mean those opinions are wrong, just that the poster goes well beyond reason in presuming to present fringe opinion as fact. Those who say the most popular episode of Series 7 was "dire" are very much in a highly unusual minority.
Or would you prefer an echo chamber in which nobody challenges weird opinions?
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You made absolutely no arguments as to A Town Called Mercy's quality- you deferred to the facts that it had a high audience (who knew the episode's quality before they saw it, I suppose?) and that other people liked it, and used them to discount ClivePwned's opinion in a snide, offputting fashion.
Using an obviously-subjective adjective is no call for you jumping down someone's throat. ClivePwned was very obviously not talking for anyone other than themselves.
I'm interested in debate, rather than you shouting people with negative opinions down because other people liked it.
And of course you find absolutely nothing snide or off-putting in writing off a very popular, well reviewed episode as "dire."
Just because somebody puts forth an extreme fringe view as if it were a universal opinion, does not oblige me or you to do anything. We merely observe that the view expressed certainly does not represent the general opinion.
There's nothing wrong with loathing an episode. I draw the line at misrepresenting an episode's reception. We've had this discussion before, in the old place, where there was something similar concerning Series 6. Fan communities are infamously prone to this kind of distortion. That doesn't mean we have to let it go unremarked.
Kill the Moon was my favorite Moffat era episode until Oxygen and The Eaters of Light came along this year. That's just the sort of stuff I love to see from Doctor Who.
The time has come for Murray Gold, though I hope the new composer chooses to carry forward references to some of his cues, whoever they may be.
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No, not in the slightest. It's just an opinion.
They... never claimed it did represent the general opinion? ClivePwned is very clearly only talking about their own opinions, which makes you waving about ratings even more baffling a debating tactic.
I'd be extremely interested to see if you'd jump down someone's throat to a similar degree if they expressed a positive opinion on something the fandom widely considered to be crap.
You don't have to do anything. You CHOOSE to have a go at posters who don't fall into lockstep with a wider critical consensus, again and again. Please stop doing it.
Apart from Rose chewing out Elton and the horrific blowjob joke at the end Love & Monsters is a light, quirky bit of fun that is, in fact, good.
this is not just bait for Decitrig but also a sincerely held opinion
I've believed for a long time aside from the very ill-considered blowjob joke (and the cruelty of that 'life' - I don't feel like it's in the Doctor's character to even bring somebody back in that way even if he could) I think Love & Monsters is actually one of the best crossover sci-fi and slice-of-life episodes of TV ever written - it's just let down by the above and by the monster design (which, to be fair, game from a nine year old).
If we're talking worst episodes, btw, the worst episodes of New Who are Fear Her (shit) and In the Forest of the Night (hilariously shit). I always wonder what on earth happened with the latter, because it's just awful. At least with Fear Her we know that it was a combination of Doomsday sucking up all the money so there was no budget and Stephen Fry's script falling through quite late so it was fairly rapidly written.
There's a lot of really dubious distinctly average stuff, though, and it's usually a 'theme' episode like Curse of the Black Spot, Kill the Moon, etc. I think Series 7a is probably most guilty of this in that I think that production decree that every episode should be able to be sell-able in a single like "Dinosaurs on a spaceship! Robot in the wild west!" meant that they all fizzle out in weird ways. Even Asylum of the Daleks, which is a good episode, sort of squanders its core concept in that 'the daleks too insane even for the daleks' amounts to ones that are, er, a bit broken. The difference between 7a and 7b in quality is enormous.
hey what did i miss?
*reads thread since my last post*
lol. yeah, not everyone likes things the same way. no worries ;)
*reads thread since my last post*
lol. yeah, not everyone likes things the same way. no worries ;)
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Fear Her's bad, but it's got a few decent visuals and a few good bits (the TARDIS materialisation gag, Tennant with his fingers in the jam, etc.) It's certainly in the lower tiers, but I'd put in with something like Curse of the Black Spot in a "drearily mediocre" category rather than "soul-flayingly awful".
The Doctor's Daughter's appalling-looking, stultifyingly boring, features the worst set of performances in the new series, has the worst monster designs in the new series, has a big sci-fi twist that makes absolutely no kind of sense, and squanders a potentially interesting core concept in the single least interesting way. It's appallingly bad- Murray Gold can be proud of what he turned out for that episode, but no one else can.
I rather enjoy the engaging and excellently creepy Fear Her.
This is not ironic. I do like it. The hate it gets baffles me when worse episodes are right there in the same series.
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I don't like Fear Her myself, but I know several people outside of the fandom who'd call it their favourite episode they'd ever seen. It played well to the general public, and I can see why too.
The Doctor's Daughter just doesn't work, in any sense. It's a broken product.
The Doctor's Daughter just doesn't work, in any sense. It's a broken product.
THE FISH DROWNS, AND WE'RE MEANT TO FEEL SAD ABOUT IT
FUCK
FUCK
I posted my comment before all the Fear her mentions that followed the post I was quoting. :) I guess it was fairly predictable that it would get mentioned.
The amazing thing about that scene is that Freema really really goes for it but it just makes it funny because it's so absurd