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Should we move to a new OT?

  • Yes

    Votes: 86 21.9%
  • No

    Votes: 80 20.4%
  • Wait until a couple weeks before E3

    Votes: 226 57.7%

  • Total voters
    392
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Ge0force

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They basically already have one. The MS Store is just really for ratings and downloading the game. Where they need to add value is in the gamebar. They need to have overlays for friends list for invites, parties, etc... The xbox app already links all the game stuff to the MS Store app for downloading, it would be nice if the Xbox app be connected to the MS Store app and do that stuff in the background and the Xbox app shows you everything that you need. They already have Game Preview, Digital Gifting, Refunds, Clubs, Tournaments, Mixer, Deals, etc...all in the xbox app. It's just missing the actual downloading part and the gamebar is missing xbox overlay stuff. If they got those things in there, it would make for a more pleasant experience in my opinion.

Perhaps. But pc gamers already have all of this for years. And Steam still has modding and much cheaper games thanks to free key generation, also something that Microsoft doesn't allow in the Windows Store. Why would anyone use the Xbox app instead of the ecosystem and apps they are used to?
 

zedox

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Even when playing the long game, it doesn't make sense to alienate the pc crowd first by building an ecosystem that goes straight against their interests and wishes. As long as Microsoft keeps pushing the console experience, I don't see many pc gamers liking the Windows Store in two years. I could be wrong of course, time will tell.

You are overestimating Halo's success on pc tho. The first two Halo games didn't set the world on fire on pc, neither did other console-oriented shooters. Gears 4 for example was a huge flop on pc. Even in the weeks after release there weren't enough players to fill an online match, despite the fact that the game was given away for free to people buying a Nvidia gpu.

What Microsoft needs to succeed on pc is an Origin-like storefront, selling moddable and pc-focused games at reasonable prices. They still have a long, long way before achieving that.

I don't think that they "NEED" mods in order to be a successful storefront. Yes, there will be some that don't want to buy those games because they can't mod them or get mods but I'm sure that there's a bigger audience that just want the games than not have them because of no mods. That's my opinion. The prices thing, I agree with, I think digital games should be cheaper but that's MS trying to be everything to everybody *shrug*.

I'm not overestimating Halo's success on PC. As a gaming division, you can't have your premier title not work correctly on a system that you are trying to push towards. It doesn't have to set the world on fire like PUBG or something, that's not what I'm stating. They just need to make sure that that game isn't a failure because of their system, not because of the content of their game.

You stated that it doesn't make sense to alienate the pc crowd by building the system that they did...that part already happened and it they had their reasons for it, no matter if anyone agrees with it or not. Also, you'd be surprised how many people want a "Xbox GUI Mode" on their PC...I've seen that more than I thought I would over the years.

But just as you said, time will tell.

Perhaps. But pc gamers already have all of this for years. And Steam still has modding and much cheaper games thanks to free key generation, also something that Microsoft doesn't allow in the Windows Store. Why would anyone use the Xbox app instead of the ecosystem and apps they are used to?

You ask why anyone would use the Xbox app...well, that's on the person to decide...a reason I could suggest is communicating with friends who are on Xbox. Also, PC gamers use a multitude of things, be it Steam, or Skype (when it was more relevant) for voice comms, or Discord. PC isn't just Steam's ecosystem, it's whatever the user chooses to use (ya know, the beauty of being open). As I recall and correct me if I'm wrong but Steam doesn't have a Tournaments type of service and I know that they don't have Twitch nor Mixer integrated (outside of third party stuff). But I mentioned those things that they already have to say to the other user that MS already has a Steam competitor. To me, MS doesn't have to "beat Steam", it just has to be able to be launched beside it like Origin or GOG games or UPlay or Battle.net.
 

Ge0force

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To me, MS doesn't have to "beat Steam", it just has to be able to be launched beside it like Origin or GOG games or UPlay or Battle.net.

That's my opinion as well. I don't need all my pc games on Steam, and I value competition between different stores and ecosystems.

But it also is important to me that certain ecosystems aren't trying to push pc-gaming in a direction I don't like. As long as those ecosystems are meant to sell 1st party games of the owner, I don't care since I can simply ignore these games. But if that certain ecosystem also tries to push 3rd party devs and publishers inside, I'm getting worried.

Moneyhatting 3rd party devs seems to be Microsofts favorite way to compete with Sony nowadays. I'm afraid they'll do the same on pc to compete against Steam. I don't think that keeping games hostage to a certain ecosystem is competition in the first place. Especially when that ecosystem has significant drawbacks compared to others.

But an Xbox focused topic is probably not the best place to discuss this :)
 
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Noble

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I'll post this here. Back in october, Gamesindustries.biz reported Studio Gobo was rebranding its second team and making some changes to the way the studio works. Esentially, they'll now work as two separate studios. Before the rebrand, the studio had two teams: Studio Gobo Hove and Studio Gobo Brighton. The Brighton team is now a full-blown studio named Electric Square.
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Studio Gobo Hove will remain as "Studio Gobo". From the interview:

The rebranding underlines that this is not just a second team, but one with a new identity that can offer expertise that Studio Gobo doesn't have.

"I come from a console background, so I've rarely worked in the areas where [Jon, Tim and Jason] have worked," says Tony Beckwith, head of Studio Gobo. "There's an area of specialisation they have that I honestly know nothing about. That was the reason for them being a separate studio."

Gibson adds: "The other reason is the structure. We wanted to replicate the way that Gobo was built, rather than growing towards double the size of the company and needing a multi-layered management structure that changes that dynamic.

"We're able to have a flat structure because we're two separate studios of a size where you can do that. Once you start having 150-plus people it's almost impossible to have that kind of structure, and suddenly it doesn't feel like that family atmosphere where everyone knows each other. Suddenly it feels like this big corporation, and we didn't want to go that way because it would have ruined everything that made it successful".

As stated in the article, Studio Gobo will remain co-developing projects (they're working on an unnanounced project with ubisoft) and Electric Square will now develop full games for Microsoft and other partners. Both the Ubisoft and the Microsoft projects are AAA-budget games.

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Electric Square's Website
 
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Noble

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My gut tells me that the Microsoft project is related to the Fable IP. Studio Gobo got some high-level employees from Lionhead a few months ago (Lead animator & Senior designers from Fable Legends, etc.)
 

Smurf

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Thats a very cool logo.

edit: got some retro and steampunk vibes from it. Maybe it's a sign of the type of game they are making?
 

Noble

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Read above: Electric Square (formerly Gobo Brighton) is working on a full project for Microsoft, although we already knew about the Gobo - MS partnership. This is just confirmation & more details.

Thats a very cool logo.

edit: got some retro and steampunk vibes from it. Maybe it's a sign of the type of game they are making?

From the gamesindustry.biz article (link above):
The revamped studio takes it name from its new Brighton premises, a building once known as Electric House. The 1930s building was originally a showroom for new electricity-powered technologies based on innovations researched upstairs, on the floors which the Gobo team now occupy. The building's art deco decor has also influenced Electric Square's branding and logo design.
 

Poodlestrike

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Thats a very cool logo.

edit: got some retro and steampunk vibes from it. Maybe it's a sign of the type of game they are making?
Reads more 20's to me, very deco and the woman looks like she's got a Flapper hat and hairdo.

Oh man if this is a Dieselpunk Fable I might just lose my mind. Way, way too big an ask. But HOW COOL WOULD THAT BE LIKE DAMN
 

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Sorry to ask here, but I'm thinking of buying an xbox one soon and have a question.

My internet cap is tight and was wondering if there's a way to transfer game or system updates between consoles? My bro has one and if I could transfer his updates to a new console that would help.
 

ConHaki66

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Sorry to ask here, but I'm thinking of buying an xbox one soon and have a question.

My internet cap is tight and was wondering if there's a way to transfer game or system updates between consoles? My bro has one and if I could transfer his updates to a new console that would help.
External Hard drive transfer
 

Startropper

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Read above: Electric Square (formerly Gobo Brighton) is working on a full project for Microsoft, although we already knew about the Gobo - MS partnership. This is just confirmation & more details.

The important thing to note here, is they only have 55 employees.

So this could be a smaller project like Recore.
 

Shingi_70

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Not really related to first party but i'm surprised Microsoft hasn't pushed more for esports. They have enough games with esports presence to have some sort of big invitational like nintendo did at E3 this year.

You guys think a new Phantom Dust is in the works?
 

Noble

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There's a rumour going around about the next Forza Horizon being set in urban Japan. Would be called "Forza Horizon 4: Drift".

There is also an image, but I'm on mobile right now.

Looks fake to me, but Japan has been a highly requested setting from Forza Horizon fans.
 

nekkid

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There's a rumour going around about the next Forza Horizon being set in urban Japan. Would be called "Forza Horizon 4: Drift".

There is also an image, but I'm on mobile right now.

Looks fake to me, but Japan has been a highly requested setting from Forza Horizon fans.

Is it actually FH4 (true sequel), though? And is it exclusively Japan?

Because FH:Drift could be a PGR "sequel", and Japan is one of the locations.
 

Klobrille

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Halo: 117

Focus on Master Chief origins.

Something along those lines. I also don't think the next Halo will be called Halo 6.
 
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pswii60

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Is it actually FH4 (true sequel), though? And is it exclusively Japan?

Because FH:Drift could be a PGR "sequel", and Japan is one of the locations.
FH: Drift would be a spin-off of a spin-off! I find it unlikely. But I'd love to see some open world Japan.
Curious to see if they have any teasers at The Game Awards...my guess is a new trailer for crackdown or sea of thieves, probably no new announces
With Sony focusing on PSX, it would make perfect sense for MS to use TGA as a platform for new trailers, teasers or announcements. And the real benefit of an event like TGA over the traditional press conference or PSX, is that you're not only marketing to your existing fans, but to everyone watching TGA. And Microsoft really needs that.

It almost makes too much sense. But then I don't remember MS having much of a presence (if any) previously and they do seem to be spending cautiously with their marketing budget these days.
 

sam777

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There's a rumour going around about the next Forza Horizon being set in urban Japan. Would be called "Forza Horizon 4: Drift".

There is also an image, but I'm on mobile right now.

Looks fake to me, but Japan has been a highly requested setting from Forza Horizon fans.
I so wish this to be true.
 

nekkid

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I think it would be wise for MS to go the "A Halo Story" way after 6.

Yep. With tweaks to the Halo 5 engine there's not much needed on the technology side. Basically ODST, but something new.

FH: Drift would be a spin-off of a spin-off! I find it unlikely. But I'd love to see some open world Japan.

Well if you were going to diverge from the standard FH formula but remain within the arcade realm, then that would be the way to do it.

I just want my street circuits back. You get people saying "but FH has closed courses and street circuits" but the fact is that nobody knows the name of their favourite track, their best time and their highest skill score. FH doesn't fill that void, and I'm a little tired of open world.
 

Trago

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Speaking of Japan, anyone think they have an idea of Phil's Japan visit recently?

As a fanboy of Japanese games, i think it'd be cool if he signed a bunch of deals.
 
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Speaking of Japan, anyone think they have an idea of Phil's Japan visit recently?

As a fanboy of Japanese games, i think it'd be cool if he signed a bunch of deals.
Not signed but more or less making sure ports of games are coming out on the Xbox. You look at stuff like code vein, Valkyrie chronicles, sword art online etc all normally would've skipped the Xbox.
 

Delroy

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I'm still puzzled as to why Microsoft chose Crackdown as an IP to spend the amount of time/money it has to resurrect. I like Crackdown, but I don't feel it differentiates the platform over say, a new Fable, Perfect Dark (with genre change), or a new IP. Hoping it'll turn out well for them and for Xbox/PC gamers especially, but it looks like a game stuck in the past in an environment with many more high quality competitors.
 
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I'm still puzzled as to why Microsoft chose Crackdown as an IP to spend the amount of time/money it has to resurrect. I like Crackdown, but I don't feel it differentiates the platform over say, a new Fable, Perfect Dark (with genre change), or a new IP. Hoping it'll turn out well for them and for Xbox/PC gamers especially, but it looks like a game stuck in the past in an environment with many more high quality competitors.
Few things, Crackdown is

-open world sandbox
- co-op campaign
- guns action
- new multiplayer cloud mode etc

Crackdown is a much better choice than fable, unless you were going to change the core of fable and last time that ended up being fable legends.
 

Delroy

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Few things, Crackdown is

-open world sandbox
- co-op campaign
- guns action
- new multiplayer cloud mode etc

Crackdown is a much better choice than fable, unless you were going to change the core of fable and last time that ended up being fable legends.

I'm talking about differentiating the platform more than maximizing profits. What you've listed sounds an awful lot like any number of games out there right now. Regarding Fable specifically, with the right focus you could still have a MP component like Legends, but also a deep, huge game set in a world that people are still fond of. And in my opinion, there are a lot of open world RPGs but not many that had the charms and character of Fable.
 

Noble

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Few things, Crackdown is

-open world sandbox
- co-op campaign
- guns action
- new multiplayer cloud mode etc

Crackdown is a much better choice than fable, unless you were going to change the core of fable and last time that ended up being fable legends.

The issue here is it looks like a low-budget game. I hope that the extra time MS gave to the devs is used to improve graphics and performance. The E3 demo looked like a 60-70 MC game.

Fable Legends was a gorgeous game, but it burned too much money (I think it was around $80M, it wasn't even finished and no marketing) and it had core gameplay issues.
 
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Ushay

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The issue here is it looks like a low-budget game. I hope that the extra time MS gave to the devs is used to improve graphics and performance. The E3 demo looked like a 60-70 MC game.

Fable Legends was a gorgeous game, but it burned too much money (I think it was around $80M, it wasn't even finished and no marketing) and it had core gameplay issues.

Ye it looked super rough, that's a huge shame too because they showcased something that will stick in potentials players memories now. As a fan of the original (the sequel was shite) I sincerely hope this new game is great, given the extra time to polish.
 

Shingi_70

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Fable Legends was really rough and every time i played it rarely worked, The worst part about the game's work never being followed up on was that the Hero design's were hot fire.
ross-dearsley-fablelegends-herotrio-bloggersize-01-signed.jpg
 

Karateka

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So potential AAA exclusives from both Electric Square and Playground?
What about Brexit made Microsoft decide to start working in the UK more than before...?

If Playgrounds game is an exclusive RPG I don't see how ES's game can be Fable (or at least a Fable people would want). As they would be competing with each other if they were to release in the same year. Unless one of these games is farther off in the future than the other by a year or more.

The important thing to note here, is they only have 55 employees.

So this could be a smaller project like Recore.
The website says 150. So maybe they just hired a lot of people?
 

Noble

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So potential AAA exclusives from both Electric Square and Playground?
What about Brexit made Microsoft decide to start working in the UK more than before...?

If Playgrounds game is an exclusive RPG I don't see how ES's game can be Fable (or at least a Fable people would want). As they would be competing with each other if they were to release in the same year. Unless one of these games is farther off in the future than the other by a year or more.


The website says 150. So maybe they just hired a lot of people?
Playground is probably multiplatform. There were rumours about MS rejecting PG's pitch for that new IP.
I don't know if ZhugeEX or shinobi602 have any more details or if they can share those with us.
 
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