Or maybe it was just convinience, considering she just did a analysis on me and kits.On the contrary, if monkey was so powerful, i think they would have bussed et to protect her if push came to shove.
You said on D6 you thought he was a neutral that was recruited by town, am I supposed to take that as an attack or a defense?To be frank I still feel sour Fantomas that you said that I actively defended blarg.
That soured our relationship
Blargonaut
I think Blarg was once neutral converted into town but since he burned the ground with every single player in this game him surviving this day phase is slim. Maybe Nin will come in and drop a bomb in order to save him?
Because you are ???
Could explain what things exactly I'm connected to? As far as I know, I'm not exactly that important.
Didn't he just claim hypnotist? How could he have been recruited?
Didn't he just claim hypnotist? How could he have been recruited?
Out of that list, I'd probably lynch you first, and if you are town, then reassess.Maybe.
Anyway, i think et is a great info target
But, since I've got shade as well, consider exodus d1.
Only trigger, me, and gp left and Blarg was the only scum. Should be about 2 more in the game. I believe there is one on exodus. If we all believe in gp, i say we lynch trigger today.
If he is town, lynch me tomorrow. When I'm town, reassess, but consider gp.
Vote: trigger
If we don't go this route, please at least consider et today. He's tied to so many players, events surrounding him are shaping tons of reads in every direction. ET will clear up my gray areas a lot all around.
But trigger i firmly believe is actual scum.
They are not, but I'm just assuming they are all images of Joffrey being poisoned.Almost done with night shift.
My internet is still bad.
Can someone confirm that the images I posted are visible?
As for this point, it's worth considering yeah. Faddy brought something up yesterday about ET/Kits being used as a bus by Monkey on D5.On the contrary, if monkey was so powerful, i think they would have bussed et to protect her if push came to shove.
How do you feel about nin voting for extreme tactician today and monkey and Blarg voting for him (kits) as an alternative to Blarg on day 5?
My apologies to Nin for quoting the post where I said he was actively defending Blarg on D6 still. I know the truth pains you.If I understand where you're going with this, yeah I could see those Kits votes being buses.
Honestly anyone who wasn't at least taking our call for a Blarg vote on D5 seriously is someone I'm side-eyeing, and I never felt like Monkey was actually taking it seriously, just paying it lip service. Nin was actively defending Blarg on D6 still, so yeah, a Blarg/Kits/Nin/Monkey team is something that's possible. God I wish we could get a check on Meatwad though.
Why?Out of that list, I'd probably lynch you first, and if you are town, then reassess.
The "he" here is Fantomas btwIf ET is town he's been on just as many mislynched as I have with a claim that smells like complete bullshit.
I gave my read list at the start of the day.Why?
At any rate, I wouldn't recommend wasting time trying.
Everyone, who is the better lynch in your opinion? Trigger or ET?
Right now I feel like Giant Panda and Kopite are very town for their Monkey votes and other townish behavior throughout the game, especially lately.Fuck, Faddy's down. RIP.
I want to get a revised read list going right now.
Town
Giant Panda
Kopite
Probably Town
Include
Trigger
Extreme Tactician
Scum
Meatwad
Flatearthpandas
Nin (probably recruited)
This is how I'm feeling right now after the Monkey flip.
I admit that my waffling on Monkey is suspicious and I knew it was going to get brought up.Oh, also opinions on fantomas. I felt like his blister at Blarg on d5 was pretty fake and he was far from the only person to not buy blarg's fake claim. I called the claim fake from the getgo but still pushed ahead with gog, as did most of us, to all of our benefit. Fantomas had a beautiful bus opportunity last phase. Waffle on monkey until the bitter end and then flip vote onto her. Easy for scum to look like heroes in these situations. If ET is town he's been on just as many mislynched as I have with a claim that smells like complete bullshit.
On the other hand, I feel like it's unlikely we have two joat scum and we did have a hypnotism... if both kits and Fantomas are to be believed.
one more reason ET is the money lynch here and we can leave trigger for another day
Between the two, yeah Trigger, but I have like no fucking read on him. Indy was hardly ever around and Trigger has made like 2 posts. What is your big read on him?Fantomas, I saw your read list.
You have trigger and et in the same spot. I want to know who you would lynch first between them. I don't care about the rest of the list.
Doubt my intentions all you want but ET is a wealth of info who's flip can change my opinions wildly on people like Meatwad and Include. Trigger I am almost certain is scum so that's where my vote is now.
Like, so far my two most trusted town players, Kopite and Giant Panda, agree that Meatwad is the vote today. He is so scummy. Meanwhile FEPs is doing the same thing Monkey was doing yesterday and looking into people with like no posts.
What is the issue with a vote on Meatwad exactly?
Vote: Meatwad
And then Nin is just all over the place, changes his mind on a whim, acting Blargish at times, contradicting himself blatantly and constantly. I also feel like he was Monkey's bus target. She was getting desperate for town cred, and if Nin was a recruited Vanilla Town member then he's got no powers and is an easy bus for her.
You said on D6 you thought he was a neutral that was recruited by town, am I supposed to take that as an attack or a defense?
one more reason ET is the money lynch here and we can leave trigger for another day
I would probably go for the ET over Meatwad today. Kits just reads like scum kits.
ET has done his very best to not for the same mistake but the way he has been avoiding the game just pushes the wrong buttons.
No need. This is what Blarg's role reveal said:
You are a Mafia Roleblocker. At night you can submit the command ROLEBLOCK to prevent the targeted player from performing any actions that night. This ability is a 3-shot ability. In addition to your roleblock, you can also submit the mafia night action of RECRUIT. The target must be a vanilla town character in order to be recruited. The recruit ability is only usable until the start of Day 3.
What do you mean "avoiding the game"?I would probably go for the ET over Meatwad today. Kits just reads like scum kits.
ET has done his very best to not for the same mistake but the way he has been avoiding the game just pushes the wrong buttons.
No dude, no you did not. I just read back through D5, all you did after Blarg's claim was argue with our Town Lovers forever.and he was far from the only person to not buy blarg's fake claim. I called the claim fake from the getgo
This is hardly you calling him out from the getgo, it was wayyyyyy after his claim man lol.
This is full of stuff honestly.The pool of people I would consider today:
nin: see above, but nin's lack of effort since coming in and CeeCee's lack of contributions before that gives me scum vibes. nin at least usually has an opinion about something but so far it's just been about the easiest thing to talk about in the game: the general attitudes. Happy to rethink this if I get any town vibes at all but a reread of CeeCee gives me nothing and nin hasn't done much.
Gotham: reread of Gotham, too, isn't giving me great feelings. She's just got very little offense, while her defense has been heavy, so her whole play has been skewed toward deflecting away from a potential lynch on her. Further, I don't put much weight into the idea that GP's claim clears Gotham at all.
lesser pool:
kitsunelaine - I do wonder if a scum player would ramp up and start posting as much as she has in this game but there's still been a lot of missed/misinformation throughout and some weird votes. Like I doubted Faddy but she ran with it. She wouldn't be my first choice today, and I appreciate feps' counter analysis of the d1 votes - I don't think there's as strong a case there as Faddy makes it out - but I do still think there's a slight odd connection to Kopite, though he denies it, and a hint that she was sheeping part of Fantomas's reads.
Apollo - I still strongly scumread Apollo and will contend until one of us flips that he has been more concerned all game with finding a viable lynch than finding scum. Today I've waffled a little on him but his disappearing and not pushing anything has put him back in the scum column for me.
Indy in the Fridge - I don't really want to lynch Indy, but I'd like to know if he's still here. I can't put him in my town pile so he's in this one.
Kopite - I started out townreading Kopite pretty strongly but I haven't had any good reason to not consider him since. There's nothing I can point to and say "Kopite is town," so he's here, but lower.
People I would not consider today:
Faddy, B-Dubs, Stan, Fantomas, feps, Blarg, Giant Panda, Include, Ketkat
These people either have claims on the board that haven't been countered or there's just no reason to vote them over the people in my lynch pool above.
Wasting no time rushing into a loss I see. Why don't you lynch ET instead, He's scummier than me
Just looked through and yeah, you're right, took a while for me to comment. I remembered more strongly calling his claim bullshit, maybe it was the next day.This is hardly you calling him out from the getgo, it was wayyyyyy after his claim man lol.
The Nin bus (if you choose to believe it with me) is real. Otherwise, that was just her big town member target because she knew he'd be one we could latch on to. (For the record Nin, I've already said you are low on my totem pole of lynches now, so it's not like I want you dead today, just like tomorrow or the next day, that's all)
Huh, I didn't see this.I agree ET is the right play today, not me
Vote:Extreme Tactician
You want him to vote himself?Huh, I didn't see this.
What makes me the better play, instead of your suspicious ass?
What makes me the better play, instead of your suspicious ass?
I think there are only 2 or 3 scum left at the max, and I only think you are scum if there are 3. So if we hit 2 scum and win before we get to you, then you don't have to get lynched, and you get to win, because it means you are town! But if we hit 2 scum and haven't won, then I'm sorry nin, but you will be the first to go if I have any say in it.No offense taken, I mean i said it before but will repeat it again i have no problem with people seeing me as low scum or whatever what I do have a problem with is peoplw focusing just on one player and not considering other targets aswell ( I do not mean you in particular)
No, I want him to do better than post and then leave.
Sure we do. We have a lot of people we can confirm as town, which makes our process of elimination list easier to build. We have sixteen players. Three are almost certainly town: Stan, B-Dubs, Faddy. Giant Panda has an uncontested claim on the board; I see some people scumreading him but I'm not sure what we gain from lynching there or even really suspecting it (timing was convenient but claiming doctor is never convenient), so that's four. That's a quarter of the game.
On the other end, we have people who've been lurking as suspects almost all game in some capacity or another: Apollo, kitsunelaine, Blarg, Gotham. People have defended some of them but the only one who's been defended particularly robustly is Gotham, who equally has some people basically treating her as a policy lynch. Blarg has a claim on the board, like Giant Panda, and it seems not terribly unreasonable so he's another I'd leave alone today at least.
Then there are eight people in the middle. Of those, some are almost unknown quantities. If we were determined to lynch there, that'd be scary, but I'd say that list is:
nin, Indy in the Fridge
Of these two, I find nin most suspicious because that slot as a whole has given us almost nothing and I at least would not want to depend on it at endgame (hence my vote). Indy has I guess left the game, just unannounced, and had previously claimed vanilla. After he didn't show up after being voted, I feel mostly confident writing that slot off as town; I doubt scum would just not surface at all.
Then the remaining players in the next post. But I want to work through this visibly to demonstrate we do have plenty to work from. Will we know for sure? Nope. But we can start sorting people - first the middle of the pack and then back to the universal scum reads to see if any might just be easy targets.
In the first post, she says of Blarg "I'd leave alone today" and then in the next post she uses almost the same wording on FEPs, "would not vote for him today" and again on Include "would not vote there today". Her read on FEPs is also kind of weird, and if we assume a scum FEPs, compared to the people who she knows are town, it sticks out. She knows a strict town-read on an oddly behaving FEPs isn't going to float here, so she uses a meta read to try to clear him but ends it with some doubt still.That leaves:
Include
feps
Meatwad
Fantomas
KetKat
Kopite
me
Is that everyone? I don't think I missed anyone. This is where it gets sticky and people get more contentious, outside of Fantomas (as above). It's fair to say that it's unusual for Fantomas to still be alive as a universally townread person, but we've seen scum go after some odd targets so it may be they are leaving Fantomas to incur suspicion, or maybe Fantomas's reads are wrong/there's an idea they can weaponize him. It's indeterminate but since he's not someone I would consider a particular threat today, I wouldn't worry about him personally.
Include just replaced in and replaced a particularly inactive slot but hit the ground running with a fair idea of the game. In terms of motivation, while pushing for Panda after a claim is odd, it feels very risky to do so publicly as scum so I'm not sure I'd read scum motivation on that. But without more data, it's hard to read her at this time. Would not vote there today but would watch what she does today.
feps has some outlier opinions but to lean on meta, scum feps rarely brings attention to himself in the way feps has in this game. He's been aggressive, loud, and insistent in a way that many scum would not. Caveat to that, however, is that this game has had an unusual number of strange occurrences and it would be easy for scum to capitalize. Will be very interested in seeing feps' final votes today and the flips but I would not vote him today.
KetKat, Meatwad, Kopite I would all put in kind of the same area. Not as active as I'd like and some reasons to town/scumread all three. KetKat would be the one I'd most likely assume is town, but as with feps, I think their votes today will be telling.
I won't analyze myself for obvious reasons.
"Hard Town"? But then, the meta again, though this time it's used to cast some doubt on him in response to Faddy instead of trying to clear him in response to me, but both end with doubt about her read on him anyways. Just feeding us both what we wanted to hear, really.I have really had feps down as hard town but I will say today made me chew on it a little. It's been making me reconsider his votes and the big roadblock to me is that I wonder if scumfeps would be quite so BIG as feps has been in this game - but maybe it's been safe, with all the shenanigans? That's adaptive play and I have seen scum feps adapt in that way. It's how he rolled in minimafia. He just kept himself in the exact best place all game, kept it real cool and casual, and bussed when he needed. Here it would have to be a different strategy/play but still taking advantage of what's happening. But it feels a little tinfoily.
Anyway, driving home.
Are you talking in general?If you're town, what do you think of FEPs right now?
Giant Panda has him on his scum list, and I'm clearly all about the idea of scum FEPs right now. Where are the rest of the players at on him?
I accept the apologyFantomas, you're pulling pages out of Faddy's book and trying to solve the whole game on assumptions while ignoring the actual tangible information we have. He did get monkey yesterday and that's great, but we have to accept that we make mistakes or we can still railroad this into a loss. These reads are way too inflexible imo.
Don't spin your wheels on a deep read of me today. We have much better targets and I have offered my lynch as collateral for tomorrow if we lynch trigger today.
Then poke holes in my theory, tell me where I'm wrong, tell me where my assumptions don't make sense, offer alternatives.Fantomas, you're pulling pages out of Faddy's book and trying to solve the whole game on assumptions while ignoring the actual tangible information we have. He did get monkey yesterday and that's great, but we have to accept that we make mistakes or we can still railroad this into a loss. These reads are way too inflexible imo.
Don't spin your wheels on a deep read of me today. We have much better targets and I have offered my lynch as collateral for tomorrow if we lynch trigger today.