Game of Thrones Mafia - We're All Bastards Here
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Or maybe it was just convinience, considering she just did a analysis on me and kits.
You said on D6 you thought he was a neutral that was recruited by town, am I supposed to take that as an attack or a defense?
Maybe.
Anyway, i think et is a great info target
But, since I've got shade as well, consider exodus d1.
Only trigger, me, and gp left and Blarg was the only scum. Should be about 2 more in the game. I believe there is one on exodus. If we all believe in gp, i say we lynch trigger today.
If he is town, lynch me tomorrow. When I'm town, reassess, but consider gp.
Vote: trigger
If we don't go this route, please at least consider et today. He's tied to so many players, events surrounding him are shaping tons of reads in every direction. ET will clear up my gray areas a lot all around.
But trigger i firmly believe is actual scum.
Anyway, i think et is a great info target
But, since I've got shade as well, consider exodus d1.
Only trigger, me, and gp left and Blarg was the only scum. Should be about 2 more in the game. I believe there is one on exodus. If we all believe in gp, i say we lynch trigger today.
If he is town, lynch me tomorrow. When I'm town, reassess, but consider gp.
Vote: trigger
If we don't go this route, please at least consider et today. He's tied to so many players, events surrounding him are shaping tons of reads in every direction. ET will clear up my gray areas a lot all around.
But trigger i firmly believe is actual scum.
Could explain what things exactly I'm connected to? As far as I know, I'm not exactly that important.
Didn't he just claim hypnotist? How could he have been recruited?
Out of that list, I'd probably lynch you first, and if you are town, then reassess.
I think Meatwad is the scummiest person still in the game right now (other than nin's diet-blarg playstyle).
They are not, but I'm just assuming they are all images of Joffrey being poisoned.
As for this point, it's worth considering yeah. Faddy brought something up yesterday about ET/Kits being used as a bus by Monkey on D5.
Here's the post, he didn't seem to correct my assumption about where he was going with this, so I'm guessing I was right.
My apologies to Nin for quoting the post where I said he was actively defending Blarg on D6 still. I know the truth pains you.
Why?
At any rate, I wouldn't recommend wasting time trying.
Everyone, who is the better lynch in your opinion? Trigger or ET?
Oh, also opinions on fantomas. I felt like his blister at Blarg on d5 was pretty fake and he was far from the only person to not buy blarg's fake claim. I called the claim fake from the getgo but still pushed ahead with gog, as did most of us, to all of our benefit. Fantomas had a beautiful bus opportunity last phase. Waffle on monkey until the bitter end and then flip vote onto her. Easy for scum to look like heroes in these situations. If ET is town he's been on just as many mislynched as I have with a claim that smells like complete bullshit.
On the other hand, I feel like it's unlikely we have two joat scum and we did have a hypnotism... if both kits and Fantomas are to be believed.
one more reason ET is the money lynch here and we can leave trigger for another day
On the other hand, I feel like it's unlikely we have two joat scum and we did have a hypnotism... if both kits and Fantomas are to be believed.
one more reason ET is the money lynch here and we can leave trigger for another day
I gave my read list at the start of the day.
Right now I feel like Giant Panda and Kopite are very town for their Monkey votes and other townish behavior throughout the game, especially lately.
Include I have at the top of the probably town list, like I said earlier I feel like her heart has been in the right place most of the time. That being said, she was going after our protector claim on D5 and then also voted ET yesterday, so I side-eye, hence only Probably Town.
Trigger probably shouldn't even be on the list since he's so inactive, but I can't imagine that slot being Mafia. If it is, it was a recruitment I would bet.
Extreme Tactician, formerly Kitsunelaine, someone I've been back and forth on all damn game. I'm willing to consider both that he was being used as the bus over Dr. Monkey's more powerful scum role, or that he was town and Mafia really didn't want to vote for Monkey so they figured they'd hop on the town member who was suddenly put on the chopping block instead. Both seem possible, but my personal read is the latter, so therefore, Probably Town.
For those that are left, we've got Meatwad, FEPs, and Nin.
Meatwad I've said my piece on.
FEPs, I'm really starting to doubt some of your intentions in the game. Like, yesterday and today you've said you want to vote for people to see if they are town, not because you think they are scum. That's weird logic at this stage of the game man, why not go for the scummiest people still around? Like Meatwad? Why do you ask for all the Meatwad reads and then disregard them in favor of these big question mark players?
And then Nin is just all over the place, changes his mind on a whim, acting Blargish at times, contradicting himself blatantly and constantly. I also feel like he was Monkey's bus target. She was getting desperate for town cred, and if Nin was a recruited Vanilla Town member then he's got no powers and is an easy bus for her.
Fantomas, I saw your read list.
You have trigger and et in the same spot. I want to know who you would lynch first between them. I don't care about the rest of the list.
Doubt my intentions all you want but ET is a wealth of info who's flip can change my opinions wildly on people like Meatwad and Include. Trigger I am almost certain is scum so that's where my vote is now.
You have trigger and et in the same spot. I want to know who you would lynch first between them. I don't care about the rest of the list.
Doubt my intentions all you want but ET is a wealth of info who's flip can change my opinions wildly on people like Meatwad and Include. Trigger I am almost certain is scum so that's where my vote is now.
I admit that my waffling on Monkey is suspicious and I knew it was going to get brought up.
Let's be real though man, you didn't vote for her at all, so if you are town, you didn't want her out of the game either, right? Even as a Mafia player, god dammit she was helpful at times and kept me cool and collected sometimes too.
Like yeah, I realize now she was just trying to get me on her good side (which is something I called her out on for on D5) but still, I was really hesitant there and it almost felt like another gambit like Melon had on Splinter, except it was Faddy's insistence that he'd always been right so far instead of a fake red check.
In the end, I posted earlier what my thoughts were and how it went in the final minutes, some last minute posts and seeing who was on ET made me flip to Monkey and trust in the people I was sure were Town to not let me down. They didn't, as it turned out.
Between the two, yeah Trigger, but I have like no fucking read on him. Indy was hardly ever around and Trigger has made like 2 posts. What is your big read on him?
Like, so far my two most trusted town players, Kopite and Giant Panda, agree that Meatwad is the vote today. He is so scummy. Meanwhile FEPs is doing the same thing Monkey was doing yesterday and looking into people with like no posts.
What is the issue with a vote on Meatwad exactly?
Vote: Meatwad
What is the issue with a vote on Meatwad exactly?
Vote: Meatwad
I don't see an issue with it.
Would love to hear others apologize to me though.
Include
Meatwad
Trigger
We need to hear from the scum team
Monkey had me fooled as well is all. Ultimately I was okay with the lynch because I wasn't sure but I preferred ET to her. Maybe it was a mistake, maybe ET is also scum. Lots of info though and we do have some breathing room.
As for trigger, just numbers. I think there was scum on exo apart from blarg's last minute vote. It isn't me. If I believe it's not gp, it must be trigger.
Fair play if people think it's me over trigger but waste of a lynch to put me first. Considering I'm willing to vouch my life for the next day on being right, would be a strange scum play imo
As for trigger, just numbers. I think there was scum on exo apart from blarg's last minute vote. It isn't me. If I believe it's not gp, it must be trigger.
Fair play if people think it's me over trigger but waste of a lynch to put me first. Considering I'm willing to vouch my life for the next day on being right, would be a strange scum play imo
While this is true, give me some credit for being the one starting to put a vote her.
I know It was a vote that was out down of pure annoyance of her actively wanting to get me out of the game when I came in, I will say that.
I cant see myself being in the same team as her.
Regarding me being an easy bus for her.
Well we now know how that turned out.
Lol
Okay you know what. Looking back at it is a defense. You got me.gif
But actively defending him? That's a stretch Fantomas and you know it.
I mean that would have counted two days prior or the last day phase but nowadays with me finally reading through the thread I think I am past that mistake.
That's where I am atm aswell.
Since we were tied and it was 4-4 being the one player who pushed town into lynching scum in order to gain town cred is a pretty blatant move that I smelled from the kitchen while I was cooking for my gf whole she was watching Gordon ramsay.
That's why in the back of my head Fantomas could and is also a scum player.
No need. This is what Blarg's role reveal said:
So yeah, your theory is bunk,
What do you mean "avoiding the game"?
No dude, no you did not. I just read back through D5, all you did after Blarg's claim was argue with our Town Lovers forever.
This is the most you said on D5 about Blarg prior to me and Faddy considering his claim as being a good one for a smart player like him to make:
This is hardly you calling him out from the getgo, it was wayyyyyy after his claim man lol.
Also, let's all take a look at this Dr. Monkey D5 post how about:
This is full of stuff honestly.
The Nin bus (if you choose to believe it with me) is real. Otherwise, that was just her big town member target because she knew he'd be one we could latch on to. (For the record Nin, I've already said you are low on my totem pole of lynches now, so it's not like I want you dead today, just like tomorrow or the next day, that's all)
Gotham, who she thought was Town and knew other Town members wanted her dead too because of the jailer stuff, right up there at the top too and it was where her vote went and it started the chain of votes in the last 2 minutes that got her killed.
Apollo in the lesser tier, the person she janitor killed because she knew others had some feelings but were starting to feel more towny about him later on.
She puts Trigger and ET on slightly wanting them gone. Could be so she can have some cred if one or the other is Mafia. Could be that she wants to shade some town players who are either inactive or have got other town members scum reading them.
Her not to consider on D5 list:
Faddy (confirmed town even before he was confirmed town, no chance for a vote)
The Lovers (gunna kill them at night anyways)
Me (all she did was call me town to get me on her side, plus no chance for a vote)
FEPs (hmm)
Blarg (scum friend)
Giant Panda (townie, very low chance for a vote)
Include (I'm leaning town, but hey, this is another side-eye, and I can only side-eye so much)
Ketkat (town, maybe knew her role if the other mafia power role is a role cop and knew she'd die eventually on her own).
Just looked through and yeah, you're right, took a while for me to comment. I remembered more strongly calling his claim bullshit, maybe it was the next day.
At any rate, d5, I never budged him off my scum list and several times said I was happy with a Blarg lynch but preferred gog.
No offense taken, I mean i said it before but will repeat it again i have no problem with people seeing me as low scum or whatever what I do have a problem with is peoplw focusing just on one player and not considering other targets aswell ( I do not mean you in particular)
Huh, I didn't see this.
What makes me the better play, instead of your suspicious ass?
I think there are only 2 or 3 scum left at the max, and I only think you are scum if there are 3. So if we hit 2 scum and win before we get to you, then you don't have to get lynched, and you get to win, because it means you are town! But if we hit 2 scum and haven't won, then I'm sorry nin, but you will be the first to go if I have any say in it.
So in other words, yes I agree, we should consider more than one target, by which I mean the two that are most likely to be scum if you are not.
No, I want him to do better than post and then leave.
I hate it when I get killed by people who do that.
Ok, new version of the claimed roles/religions list to get Dr. Monkey's actual role in here and move her and Faddy to the death list.
Otherwise I decided to split the town and scum members (including the neutrals just for you FEPs) and reorganized the claims to be chronological like they are for the death lists.
Confirmed Town Due To Death:
Exodus - Confirmed Town and Eligible For All Religion Rewards - No Religion - Died D1
Muffin - Confirmed Vanilla Town - Worships Red God - Died N1
DCPat - Confirmed Town and Weak Cop - Worships Faith - Died N1
Splinter - Confirmed Town and Backup Cop - Worships Old Gods - Died D2
Melonrabbit - Confirmed Town and Jailer - Worships Faith - Died D3
Zeusy - Confirmed Town and 4-Way Gladiator Thunderdome - Worships Faith - Died D4
DoubleD/Gorlak - Confirmed Vanilla Town - Worships Red God - Died N4
Stanley - Confirmed Town and Lovers with B-Dubs - Worships Faith - Died N5
B-Dubs - Confirmed Town and Lovers with Stan - Worships Faith - Died N5
KetKat - Confirmed Town and Bodyguard - Worships Old Gods - Died N6
Faddy - Confirmed Town and 2-Shot Deflector - Worships Drowned God - Died N7
Confirmed Scum Due To Death
Ezekial - Confirmed Neutral and Able To Convert People To Red God Religion - Worships Red God - Died N1
Girlofgotham - Confirmed Neutral and Assassin - Worships Many-Faced God - Died D5
Blargonaut - Confirmed Mafia and Roleblocker and 2 Shot (N1 and N2) Recruiter (only vanilla town) - Worships Red God - Died D6
Dr. Monkey - Confirmed Mafia and JoaT (Janitor, Strongman, Bonus Kill) + Recruiter (same mechanics as Blarg) - Worships Drowned God - Died D7
Purgatory:
Apollo - Most Likely Janitor Killed By Monkey - No Claims - Died N5
Claimed Roles:
Indy/Trigger - Claimed Vanilla Town On D3 - Claimed Drowned God On D3
Giant Panda - Claimed 3-Shot Protector on D5 - No Religion Claim
Meatwad - Claimed Vanilla Town On D5 - No Religion Claim
Fantomas - Claimed Religion Hypnotist On D6 - Claimed Drowned God On D6
CeeCee/Nin - Claimed Vanilla Town On D7 - Claimed Drowned God On D3
Claimed No Role But Did Claim a Religion:
Kistunelaine/Extreme Tactician - Nothing - Hypnotized to Reveal Old Gods On D3
No Claims:
Kopite - Nothing
FEPs - Nothing
Zookfoodle/Include - Nothing[/QUOTE]
Otherwise I decided to split the town and scum members (including the neutrals just for you FEPs) and reorganized the claims to be chronological like they are for the death lists.
Confirmed Town Due To Death:
Exodus - Confirmed Town and Eligible For All Religion Rewards - No Religion - Died D1
Muffin - Confirmed Vanilla Town - Worships Red God - Died N1
DCPat - Confirmed Town and Weak Cop - Worships Faith - Died N1
Splinter - Confirmed Town and Backup Cop - Worships Old Gods - Died D2
Melonrabbit - Confirmed Town and Jailer - Worships Faith - Died D3
Zeusy - Confirmed Town and 4-Way Gladiator Thunderdome - Worships Faith - Died D4
DoubleD/Gorlak - Confirmed Vanilla Town - Worships Red God - Died N4
Stanley - Confirmed Town and Lovers with B-Dubs - Worships Faith - Died N5
B-Dubs - Confirmed Town and Lovers with Stan - Worships Faith - Died N5
KetKat - Confirmed Town and Bodyguard - Worships Old Gods - Died N6
Faddy - Confirmed Town and 2-Shot Deflector - Worships Drowned God - Died N7
Confirmed Scum Due To Death
Ezekial - Confirmed Neutral and Able To Convert People To Red God Religion - Worships Red God - Died N1
Girlofgotham - Confirmed Neutral and Assassin - Worships Many-Faced God - Died D5
Blargonaut - Confirmed Mafia and Roleblocker and 2 Shot (N1 and N2) Recruiter (only vanilla town) - Worships Red God - Died D6
Dr. Monkey - Confirmed Mafia and JoaT (Janitor, Strongman, Bonus Kill) + Recruiter (same mechanics as Blarg) - Worships Drowned God - Died D7
Purgatory:
Apollo - Most Likely Janitor Killed By Monkey - No Claims - Died N5
Claimed Roles:
Indy/Trigger - Claimed Vanilla Town On D3 - Claimed Drowned God On D3
Giant Panda - Claimed 3-Shot Protector on D5 - No Religion Claim
Meatwad - Claimed Vanilla Town On D5 - No Religion Claim
Fantomas - Claimed Religion Hypnotist On D6 - Claimed Drowned God On D6
CeeCee/Nin - Claimed Vanilla Town On D7 - Claimed Drowned God On D3
Claimed No Role But Did Claim a Religion:
Kistunelaine/Extreme Tactician - Nothing - Hypnotized to Reveal Old Gods On D3
No Claims:
Kopite - Nothing
FEPs - Nothing
Zookfoodle/Include - Nothing[/QUOTE]
Ok, here's some more posts from scum Dr. Monkey on D5. These were in response to me kind of freaking out about the people who had been praising me and wondering who to vote for. (Girlofgotham and Dr. Monkey were the two biggest offenders for praising me btw and both were not town. Include was in there too so that's a third side-eye, and I only have two eyes!):
She also made another post about FEPs a little later:
But I digress, back to the original two posts.
Only a brief mention of Kits alongside Blarg in the first post, this is a possible link between the two. And with the possibility of Kits having been a bus, it's something else to consider for an ET vote (but man, scummy people seem really ok with that still, how many more do they have if they want to bus him still on D8 when they've been trying since like D5 and lost two in the process?).
First post she throws some doubt at Indy, who is now Trigger. Both have been pretty inactive, don't know how to read this, but she definitely was concerned with a lot of low activity players, I doubt they are all scum, possible that none are.
Again in the first post, this was around when she first starts to throw some shade towards Nin, who as I've said could be her bus target. If they had all 5 scum team still going strong there assuming the recruit of Nin, they probably figured they could still win with 4 or even 3, and as a replacement player as well as possibly the recruit, Nin is an easy one to throw under the bus. But then, we went for Blarg on D6 instead because of the Girlofgotham neutral flip, which I think shook the Mafia team to their core. This ruined Blarg's claim, and he was clearly the new bus target. The problem was that he had already been called out and voted on by me and Faddy the day before, so there was no way Dr. Monkey could try to take credit for it, so she needed to continue her bus on Nin to try to win some credit finally in the late stages and give the town a scum member.
I think they thought they could win with Dr. Monkey, FEPs and their final teammate, Meatwad.
In the second post, she throws Meatwad in with Ketkat and Kopite as people who aren't too big a deal to worry about. Ketkat died and was confirmed town, Kopite had been scum-reading Monkey for a while and eventually helped to get her lynched with Faddy, he's town as fuck. However, Meatwad has been on a lot of scum lists for a while, so I think she was trying to get people to think of him in the same way as Ketkat and Kopite, being not super active but helpful enough for town.
In the first post, she says of Blarg "I'd leave alone today" and then in the next post she uses almost the same wording on FEPs, "would not vote for him today" and again on Include "would not vote there today". Her read on FEPs is also kind of weird, and if we assume a scum FEPs, compared to the people who she knows are town, it sticks out. She knows a strict town-read on an oddly behaving FEPs isn't going to float here, so she uses a meta read to try to clear him but ends it with some doubt still.
She also made another post about FEPs a little later:
"Hard Town"? But then, the meta again, though this time it's used to cast some doubt on him in response to Faddy instead of trying to clear him in response to me, but both end with doubt about her read on him anyways. Just feeding us both what we wanted to hear, really.
But I digress, back to the original two posts.
Only a brief mention of Kits alongside Blarg in the first post, this is a possible link between the two. And with the possibility of Kits having been a bus, it's something else to consider for an ET vote (but man, scummy people seem really ok with that still, how many more do they have if they want to bus him still on D8 when they've been trying since like D5 and lost two in the process?).
First post she throws some doubt at Indy, who is now Trigger. Both have been pretty inactive, don't know how to read this, but she definitely was concerned with a lot of low activity players, I doubt they are all scum, possible that none are.
Again in the first post, this was around when she first starts to throw some shade towards Nin, who as I've said could be her bus target. If they had all 5 scum team still going strong there assuming the recruit of Nin, they probably figured they could still win with 4 or even 3, and as a replacement player as well as possibly the recruit, Nin is an easy one to throw under the bus. But then, we went for Blarg on D6 instead because of the Girlofgotham neutral flip, which I think shook the Mafia team to their core. This ruined Blarg's claim, and he was clearly the new bus target. The problem was that he had already been called out and voted on by me and Faddy the day before, so there was no way Dr. Monkey could try to take credit for it, so she needed to continue her bus on Nin to try to win some credit finally in the late stages and give the town a scum member.
I think they thought they could win with Dr. Monkey, FEPs and their final teammate, Meatwad.
In the second post, she throws Meatwad in with Ketkat and Kopite as people who aren't too big a deal to worry about. Ketkat died and was confirmed town, Kopite had been scum-reading Monkey for a while and eventually helped to get her lynched with Faddy, he's town as fuck. However, Meatwad has been on a lot of scum lists for a while, so I think she was trying to get people to think of him in the same way as Ketkat and Kopite, being not super active but helpful enough for town.
Are you talking in general?
I don't think he's scum at all. He's willing to bet his life on his theory.
Fantomas, you're pulling pages out of Faddy's book and trying to solve the whole game on assumptions while ignoring the actual tangible information we have. He did get monkey yesterday and that's great, but we have to accept that we make mistakes or we can still railroad this into a loss. These reads are way too inflexible imo.
Don't spin your wheels on a deep read of me today. We have much better targets and I have offered my lynch as collateral for tomorrow if we lynch trigger today.
Don't spin your wheels on a deep read of me today. We have much better targets and I have offered my lynch as collateral for tomorrow if we lynch trigger today.
I would have never dared to vote for Monkey at this point in the game, her analysis at the end of the day phase and her tremendous work through this entire game made losing her a risk that I wasn't willing to take. I don't feel ashamed for being wrong, minus Faddy she pretty much fooled us all.
I can honestly say that even if Faddy spent the entire day phase trying to personally convince me, I still would not have lynched her this early in the game, because while I believed that Faddy push on Monkey came from a good place, I thought his ego was getting the best of him and his willingness to risk it all just to satisfy his own curiosity seemed too selfish to me. For the record on another of his game he pushed Splinter the same way, people hesitantly followed him and he turned out being wrong and they lost the game because of it.
Don't get me started on the fact that he agreed that Nin is a scum alongside ET and yet wanted Monkey regardless of what we all were telling him, it felt not only risky but also insulting to us tbh.
Anyway, I am going to be really busy today CEST (not day phase, you know what I mean?), tomorrow I will have hopefully a ton of free time.
I can honestly say that even if Faddy spent the entire day phase trying to personally convince me, I still would not have lynched her this early in the game, because while I believed that Faddy push on Monkey came from a good place, I thought his ego was getting the best of him and his willingness to risk it all just to satisfy his own curiosity seemed too selfish to me. For the record on another of his game he pushed Splinter the same way, people hesitantly followed him and he turned out being wrong and they lost the game because of it.
Don't get me started on the fact that he agreed that Nin is a scum alongside ET and yet wanted Monkey regardless of what we all were telling him, it felt not only risky but also insulting to us tbh.
Anyway, I am going to be really busy today CEST (not day phase, you know what I mean?), tomorrow I will have hopefully a ton of free time.
Then poke holes in my theory, tell me where I'm wrong, tell me where my assumptions don't make sense, offer alternatives.
So far you want to lynch people to see if they are town, I want to lynch people that I truly think are scum. I think we just have differing points of view on how to proceed here.