Bullshit.
How sure are you? If trigger is town, lynch me tomorrow. You willing to stake the same on your reads?
Game of Thrones Mafia - We're All Bastards Here
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What tangible info do you have that you want to lynch Trigger?
This is all based on a D1 vote though. It's hardly a convincing scum read on Indy. And now he isn't playing, Trigger is. And he can't even defend himself because he isn't here!
Also, Monkey was all over Indy too at different times for being inactive and it doesn't feel like it was a bus.
I feel like I've backed my current reads up by looking at Dr. Monkey, someone who was scum and very active and gave lots of thoughts. D5 is a gold mine for info in my opinion because it is the "Promised Day Phase" after the previous 3 were almost unusable for scum hunting. Monkey posted a lot on D5, I feel like we can try to figure out who she wanted and didn't want to pursue and figure out her scum friends with that. I'm at least trying to make use of new info to find the remaining scum players, you're trying to look at a D1 vote and go after someone who isn't even posting.
And yeah, sure, if you want to play the "Lynch Me If I'm Wrong" game, I would stake people lynching me if Meatwad isn't scum, but the thing is I'm not the only one pushing Meatwad so there's no need for me to stake my life on it.
I'm going to pursue my scum reads as hard as I can today because I don't know how much longer I'm going to be kept alive at night. Meatwad is where my vote is and will likely stay, and I think my other suspects are suspect as well.
I'm going to pursue my scum reads as hard as I can today because I don't know how much longer I'm going to be kept alive at night. Meatwad is where my vote is and will likely stay, and I think my other suspects are suspect as well.
Voting for Trigger would be a waste of time. If he flips mafia, yay for us. But if he's town? We waste a day, and someone gets killed.
That's a no then. You're not sure of your reads.
I'm staking my life on mine.
I don't believe there was no scum on Exodus. It has to be trigger. Simple. This is the closest to tangible we have right now. The rest is reads and, frankly, if you're scum reading me your reads are bad. Why was Faddy trying to keep melon alive d1? Because scum don't trade their lives for mislynches.
If anything, you should be suspicious in trying to bus trigger for town cred when he flips scum since he's not pulling his weight.
Not to mention scum is a high stress role for a lot of players. Notice how indy tried to play and then faded out. Same as trigger and to be doing.
I'm staking my life on mine.
I don't believe there was no scum on Exodus. It has to be trigger. Simple. This is the closest to tangible we have right now. The rest is reads and, frankly, if you're scum reading me your reads are bad. Why was Faddy trying to keep melon alive d1? Because scum don't trade their lives for mislynches.
If anything, you should be suspicious in trying to bus trigger for town cred when he flips scum since he's not pulling his weight.
Not to mention scum is a high stress role for a lot of players. Notice how indy tried to play and then faded out. Same as trigger and to be doing.
Oh I am, I'm just pointing out the obvious in that because I'm not alone with mine, I don't need to stake my life on them, other people agree with me.
Congratulations.
The closest to tangible? We have two scum down, we can look back at their interactions and voting patterns, can we not? That seems tangible. D1 votes do not seem tangible.
You have a red check on Trigger? Otherwise, this isn't like the Melon situation at all.
Yeah, it could have been a bus, but she dropped it pretty easily in favor of nin, who I think has a higher chance of being her real bus.
Trigger hasn't played at all though. I think he literally made one, maybe two posts, and that's it. Indy did try and then faded out, that's a good point and something not based on a D1 vote, I'll give you that, but I feel like I could say the same about DoubleD and he turned out to be town.
He's literally only posted one thing, and that's voting for Blarg.
Mafia's job is to confuse town. You catch them by how they vote, not who they idly shade or town read. Their reads are either useless by design or played completely straight , same as if they were town.
And d1 votes are incredibly important for these reads, especially when scum is one of the trains. That's why we try and make multiple trains, so if we have a scum we can see how they dealt with the situations later.
We had a scum train, possibly two. The scum team did not want Blarg lynched d1 if they could help it. They also don't try to pile their votes. That's why monkey was off hidden on some bullshit vote. if ET is also scum they would be negligent not to have votes on exodus. But generally they want to nudge things along, so they would have wanted one on exodus.
Trigger is scum.
Every time scum lives are on the line, the votes are tangible. D1 especially so because we know the flips of the majority of the players.
Tbh, I can't fathom why you're being so stubborn. You've been pretty reasonable most of the game
Sure, if it makes you happier.
Don't think you understood what I was talking about. You're not thinking straight, dude. Relax. Look at this calmly. Maybe you've got some adrenaline or something, thinking you've sorted out the game but you haven't. Faddy hadn't. GP hasn't. I haven't. But I have an almost certain scum for the taking. It doesn't matter how active he is now. It's what he did in the game, which was be the scum nudge on exodus and then get fall under everyone's radar as the entire train got flipped.
Wait you have a red check? Why didn't you just say so?
Being reasonable has not done me well.
Being reasonable made me not want to vote for Monkey yesterday.
Being reasonable led me to believe that Girlofgotham and Dr. Monkey were complimenting my play for honest reasons and not because they were scum.
Being reasonable leads me to doubt my own reads and what my instincts are telling me.
Being reasonable would mean I concede to you and don't vote for my biggest scum read of the last few days, Meatwad.
I don't feel like being reasonable right now.
I feel like going after the people I think are the most likely to be scum with what little time I have left. I'm fucking dead tonight man, I'm clearly the next target after Faddy.
Lol. You realize you're the most likely vote today, despite my pleas for Trigger
Not sure how acknowledging you're not planning to play reasonably is supposed to go better for you
Well it seems like your definition of "being reasonable" is trusting what you say and ignoring my own reads. You're not Faddy, I have no reason to trust you.
Lol gp is the next target. He's actually basically confirmed. You aren't
I'm not sure what to do with this paranoia.
He doesn't, he just means he's really sure of his vote and is willing to die for it.
flatearthpandas
We've got a whole day left, why not do what you were doing a couple of days back and look at more vote analysis. Even if Trigger is scum, doing so we'll turn up the other mafia member. There's also the advantage of having at least one more town member who can give their views , as opposed to next day phase where we'll lose one townie during the night.
No, being reasonable is look at the state of the game. Scum is literally staring us in the face. Don't toss the game being stubborn
For now, the list of remaining players can be found in my list of claims.
Trigger
Giant Panda
Meatwad
Fantomas
Nin
Extreme Tactician
Kopite
Flatearthpandas
Include
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Honestly, if Trigger is scum, do we think that means there are 3 scum players total then? I mean, it's possible there is just one lone scum player playing without a partner because his only remaining teammate is absent, but that would suck hard for them and if it's the case then there's only one person posting still that is actually scum.
I want to try to determine how many more mafia players we have remaining. I don't fully understand the recruit abilities of Monkey and Blarg. Can they perform a kill and recruit during the same night? I don't think they could've both used recruit and get 2 people in one night(that would be OP) but it's safest to assume that they got at least 1 player each night, which means there could be at least 2 mafia players remaining, not counting whoever else may have started as mafia along with Monkey and Blarg bringing that total up to 3.
Assuming there are 2 left we've got 2 mislynches we can afford huh.
So? Aren't you the one who said he's willing to be lynched if he's wrong?
Well GP seems to agree with my read list, we both think Meatwad and you are scum (my read list came first so don't tell me I copied him) and we both have votes down on Meatwad.
Kopite also made it clear he wants the Meatwad vote today.
You, however, have not. You are ignoring Meatwad. You want someone else.
I am not alone on my push for Meatwad, you are on your push for Trigger.
I'm not alone on the push for Extreme Tactician though. And I'm going through your Meatwad thing right now, relax. Here's a soundbite.
You're putting a lot of focus on ET being possible scum in this Meatwad read for someone refusing to consider an ET lynch today, which honestly is the most sensible course of action even though I'm so sure that Trigger is scum. I will accept an ET lynch, why not just do this? We get info on Meatwad and tons of people on not just D1, but D7 as well. It's a goddamn goldmine. If we lynch Meatwad and he flips town then whoops-a-daisy we've learned jackshit and we just keep lynching down your list and fucking ourselves. We don't have time for that.
Meatwad is on the ET lynch right now, is this a bus on his only remaining scum mate if we assume 2 players left like you are assuming?
Otherwise we assume that me, GP, and Kopite are wrong about Meatwad and that he's town and wants to lynch ET. Ok, if ET flips scum or town, then we learn some good things about Meatwad, I'll admit that.
Also I've made it clear I've been back and forth on the Kits slot, right now my most updated read list is a possible town member because of how I was reading the way the final votes came in yesterday, but I've also acknowledged that yes, ET could have been the bus target for a while and when I offered him as the compromise vote the scum team was more than happy to take it over Dr. Monkey.
So yeah, I have my doubts on him, and I'd consider a vote there.
I feel like we're making some progress here. I feel good. I'd like to hear what GP and Kopite think too.
Just to answer my own rhetorical question in case it isn't clear: No, it is not likely, hence why I would now think ET is town on top of my assumptions about the way the votes fell in yesterday.
Looking at the role PMs, the way I see it is that Recruit was another Mafia team night action that they had. So like their Kill, they needed someone to submit the Recruit on N1 and N2 as well.
So yeah, I think they could do both, but I'm not sure since I'm a newb and have no idea how this shit normally works. It could be that they needed to choose between Kill and Recruit, but I would think the role PM would make that clear if it was the case.
Let's assume a recruit and that they have 3 still though:
D8: 6:3
D9: 4:3
One mislynch and we're at end game if they're at 3.
And if they got a second recruit?
D8 5:4
We're already there.
Reads as a regular joke to me.
Going to group a few of these out of order.
I don't think you get how scum works at all. I know I've been a bit of an ass this game and there's a partial good reason for that actually (and partial terrible reasons for which I owe apologies), but I'm trying to do better now than I was with dubs. Scum are not looking to expose themselves in groups. Their job is to look as natural as possible, not try to fake natural with only each other. For the second part of joking around, I had a shitpost as well. And kits (my secondary lynch target today) ribbed off of mine. Damn, coordinated shitpost from the whole scum team??? How convenient.
Oh shit, and then Stan offered a shitpost from there. And Bdubs! Deep state scum?!?
A neutral survivor leans whichever why the wind is blowing. For the majority of the game, neutral survivor wants to 1) avoid being lynched or NK'd and 2)end the game as fast as possible. He isn't actively working against town until the end of the game. That's all he meant. You don't claim neutral roles that work against the town or you're immediately lynched (or ought to be).
Wasn't going to bother with this, but the fact that he had to admit to copying your post is a bit interesting.
However, reading them, nah. Those aren't your reads. How many people were seriously shading Stan and Bdubs after d4?? Not you. He also reads Faddy as possible neutral. It's your order for sure and he owned up to that, but were those really your reads?
And as a LOL here. You're shading me about my Blarg thing today, where I did remember totally wrong to be fair. But your read is ???? and meatwad's was ??????
And then there's my d5 scumlist....
Oh, is that Blarg? Is that Indy???? Hell, even our boy meatwad is there! And the serial killer as well!
I've claimed nothing this entire game except to be transparent and consistent. Don't @me about the GP thing, I was hassling him then about his claim.
A lot of people pushed back against the turbo on GoG. Scum has absolutely no reason not to join in on that pushback.
I agree with him though? Melon and Splinter were policy lynches. The only regret I have is that we were put in that situation but as I've said before I would vote the same way again even knowing the outcome. I've spoken openly that Zeusy was a shit vote and you are just as guilty of that.
Think the last one is out of order, sorry. Order doesn't really matter though.
None of this seems sketch to me. I dunno. I can lump in most of the rest of the post with this, let me know if you think I've skipped anything really damning and I'll respond to it. But yeah, he was analyzing the D1 votes same as me. He cleared Indy for some reason and decided to focus on me and GP. Probably because Indy popped onto the initial push (with me) and never moved, while GP and I were part of the second. He chose me over GP, that's your scum team glue, sure. But it's weak. Don't read alignment into the formatting issues. Definitely don't see the team connection considering I was in the thread several times at that point telling him he'd fucked up his votes and to fix them.
Again, weird to quote monkey's opinion to build your case. "The scum agreed with me!" isn't a great attack.
I've read through this whole thing and while it's not total garbage I think you're way too invested. As I said earlier, ET gives us insight into Meatwad and plenty of other people. Trigger is definitely scum. Between these two are where our votes should be.
And if I'm scum trying to cover for my teammate Meatwad, why am I offering myself as a substitute if the most obvious lynch in the game doesn't bear fruit?
Although in regards to this, he said later that was a real claim and not a joke. So yeah, he says he was serious about being Vanilla even if it was part of a joke post.
Like yeah, I thought I should look for connections between people who we find out are Mafia. No one told me to stop until you did. If I'm wrong, everyone else I assume will say "Yes Fantomas, there is no read to be had on Meatwad, FEPs is right, you don't know how to play and should leave it to us from now on." Which I'm fine with, honestly.
Actually:
Unvote
I think I'll just let you all play and pop back in at the end of the day phase. If we get another Mafia member, and I'm still around tomorrow, then maybe I'll be able to better contribute by just watching and learning today and not getting in the way.
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I think I'll just let you all play and pop back in at the end of the day phase. If we get another Mafia member, and I'm still around tomorrow, then maybe I'll be able to better contribute by just watching and learning today and not getting in the way.
Surely you realized when you were making your paranoid posts a few days ago that more people were complimenting you than could possibly be scum. You're doing well. Plus, I'm sure you're town now. We definitely need you if we're going to win
GP, I hope i don't need to try and be nice to you as well. What are your thoughts now? Hoping to see thoughts from everyone between trigger and et still
I mean, I came into the thread convinced that you and Meatwad were scum, and now you've thoroughly broken me down to where I believe the exact opposite now. I have no reason to be here until others start posting. I should have shut up a long time ago.
Ok, I want to look at the end of D7 because fuck that was some shit. Let's look at this from the point of view of trustworthy players and people who they were talking to. I'll try to do my best to keep the flow here. I'm just going to try to play the game, I don't know how though, but I feel like I have to do something. So I just want to look at what my most town read players were saying at the end of the day.
I then vote for Extreme Tactician, my proposed compromise vote, with 27 minutes to go.
Giant Panda votes for Dr. Monkey. I realize now that there is a very low chance that the group of Faddy, Kopite, and GP are going for my compromise.
Fantomas
Meatwad
Flatearthpandas
Dr. Monkey
Nin
I then vote for Dr. Monkey and move her to the lead 5-4 and the day ends. She flipped Mafia. Faddy was killed at night.
So there, make of that what you will, I think it's worth it to examine some of these thoughts we had going out from Faddy, Kopite, and GP, who I think we all agree are town as fuck.
For my worthless thoughts:
It sounds like there really wasn't an agreed upon lynch pool for today. ET maybe. Meatwad wasn't someone Faddy was interested at the end of the day yesterday, though they did talk to one another a bit. Nin was brought up by Faddy but then dismissed due to Kopite's idea of him and Monkey not being on the same team, and with the Monkey Mafia flip, well, there you go, Nin is probably town following Faddy and Kopite's logic.
ET is really the only one that I think Faddy would have been interested in based on those end of day thoughts, but I could be totally wrong.
Now, because I just can't let it go, I'm sorry, but I'll just present without comment and within this spoiler tag the interactions between Faddy and FEPs with a little bit of Monkey as well at the end of the day. I just have some questions I want to ask about that but I'm not smart enough to know what to ask, so if someone else who knows how to play wants to ask questions instead, please do.
Faddy isn't interested in a D7 Meatwad vote. He wants nin, Monkey, or ET. This is with 52 minutes left in the day.
Faddy's compromise solution was to let Giant Panda choose. Mine was to go for ET instead.
Here he asks me about my thoughts on ET being a possible bus. I agreed that it's possible.
GP is trustworthy, we'll see his thoughts in here too soon.
Meatwad doesn't like that GP is on him and tells us his thoughts. He's between Nin and Dr. Monkey with 37 minutes to go.
GP agrees with what FEPs has been saying now today, ET is a good info vote.
Faddy asks Meatwad for something that he had asked him for earlier in the day but never got a response to. He'll get it soon.
This is a point that Faddy made that I think is reasonable.
Kopite thinks Nin and Monkey are not on the same team. He has maintained this belief.
Faddy agreed with it.
Meatwad now answers to Faddy.
I then vote for Extreme Tactician, my proposed compromise vote, with 27 minutes to go.
Giant Panda votes for Dr. Monkey. I realize now that there is a very low chance that the group of Faddy, Kopite, and GP are going for my compromise.
Meatwad votes ET because ET had barely posted.
Faddy questions it.
Meatwad lays down his reason.
With 13 minutes to go, Faddy makes this point about the people on ET. At this point, the people on ET were:
Fantomas
Meatwad
Flatearthpandas
Dr. Monkey
Nin
Kopite brings this point up again, his read on Kits leaving being a town move.
Faddy thinks any timid vote on ET is an anti-town move.
There are now 4 minutes to go. Nin switched to Monkey but Include hopped on to ET. Faddy is still convinced there are Mafia on ET for sure.
GP with a decent point. For the record, ET and Trigger are FEPs' scum reads.
Meatwad wants to know if Faddy thinks ET is town, with 2 minutes to go.
He doesn't know for sure. He just knows that Monkey is Mafia and that this EoD is going to be quite telling.
I then vote for Dr. Monkey and move her to the lead 5-4 and the day ends. She flipped Mafia. Faddy was killed at night.
So there, make of that what you will, I think it's worth it to examine some of these thoughts we had going out from Faddy, Kopite, and GP, who I think we all agree are town as fuck.
For my worthless thoughts:
It sounds like there really wasn't an agreed upon lynch pool for today. ET maybe. Meatwad wasn't someone Faddy was interested at the end of the day yesterday, though they did talk to one another a bit. Nin was brought up by Faddy but then dismissed due to Kopite's idea of him and Monkey not being on the same team, and with the Monkey Mafia flip, well, there you go, Nin is probably town following Faddy and Kopite's logic.
ET is really the only one that I think Faddy would have been interested in based on those end of day thoughts, but I could be totally wrong.
Now, because I just can't let it go, I'm sorry, but I'll just present without comment and within this spoiler tag the interactions between Faddy and FEPs with a little bit of Monkey as well at the end of the day. I just have some questions I want to ask about that but I'm not smart enough to know what to ask, so if someone else who knows how to play wants to ask questions instead, please do.