Game of Thrones Mafia - We're All Bastards Here
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The only case I can make is I'm not scum, The evidence against me is circumstantial and I don't blame people for thinking the way they do. In hindsight the whole thing with Monkey makes me look even worse but she fooled me, She fooled a lot of people here. I can't offer up any proof that I'm town. There are no trackers to track me and see I don't move at night because I'm vanilla. And no cops to confirm my innocence. There are better places to look, FEP, ET, Trigger Include. But if people want to lynch me then I accept it. It'll be one step backwards instead of another step forwards but so be it.
So Meatwad, feps and Include are the people who voted for ET instead of Monkey. I think definitely one and maybe more scum in there. I'll leave feps aside first as I town read him in earlier phases, Meatwad's been under scrutiny so I'll come to that later, but let me focus on Include, who's fallen under the radar. I think Include is scummy and I'll tell you why.
Include starts off with a scum read of Giant Panda, her main reason is because she feels the kill on Gorlak was something GP would do. I think mafia planned to kill Gorlak, and use that as an easy way to throw shade at Panda who they would start building a case against in the next day phase. It seemed like a good read in a game way we had gone multiple days with next to no progress. And here comes Include with fire and fury, bringing a fresh perspective and scum reading a player with some decent evidence. Oh and there's a lot of nice words thrown in there for Fantomas too, who I'm sure will agree that that was suspect as fuck.
And include would have gotten away with a great scum read of GP as well if it wasn't for:
Whoops, looks like GP was town protector all this while. We had to have a protective to role to explain D2's no kills, and no one else claimed protector so it was pretty clear that GP was off the hook. To everyone except Include of course:
At this point Fanto reads the glowing praise showered by Include and calls it out:
Include doubles down on this:
So we come to the end of last day phase, despite most of town core voting for Monkey and Faddy and I's arguments showing how illogical Monkey's points and reads against me were at 10 mins before the end of voting Include votes for ET instead, and ties the vote. If it wasn't for the last second jump by Fanto that's how it would've ended and Monkey would have been saved:
And then comes her last post here. Now that we've got rid of Monkey and are trying to find more scum, with the likes of Meatwad, Nin and ET all getting pressured Include sweeps in and posts this:
VOTE: Include
Include starts off with a scum read of Giant Panda, her main reason is because she feels the kill on Gorlak was something GP would do. I think mafia planned to kill Gorlak, and use that as an easy way to throw shade at Panda who they would start building a case against in the next day phase. It seemed like a good read in a game way we had gone multiple days with next to no progress. And here comes Include with fire and fury, bringing a fresh perspective and scum reading a player with some decent evidence. Oh and there's a lot of nice words thrown in there for Fantomas too, who I'm sure will agree that that was suspect as fuck.
And include would have gotten away with a great scum read of GP as well if it wasn't for:
QUOTE="Giant Panda, post: 12202725, member: 2467"]I'm a 3-shot protector. I've used two shots. I decided to use 2 of my shots earlier on in the game, so that I'd reduce the chances of me getting killed while I still had spare shots left over. That would be a waste of a strong town ability.
Night 2 I protected Faddy as he was by far the most confirmed town, though I later learned I was really protecting myself due to Faddy's redirect. I've been dropping hints about this for a while, but I think it is much more likely that Faddy was targeted N2 than GoG was or that GoG was the killer. However, this only absolves GoG of the biggest reason for which she's been targeted so far. She could still well be scum, but I think the only convincing case is one that doesn't rely on the N2 jailing. If my theory is right, scum will have been wondering who saved Faddy N2 while at the same time trying to play up the GoG case to try to push an easy lynch.
You'll see in the thread that on day 3 I did briefly entertain the scum GoG theory. I did this because I didn't want to make it obvious that I was the protector, and because GoG wasn't in particular danger of being lynched so I thought there were no harm. Recently though I've had to become more forcibly anti-GoG lynch as it picked up in popularity.
After seeing the deathless N2, I figured I had scared scum off targeting Faddy again. So for N3 I decided to protect the next most town read person, despite me not being as sure: Fantomas. But as we saw scum targeted Faddy again (well probably again).
Night 4, I didn't use my ability because we had more confirmed town or heavily read town, so chances were much lower that I'd pick to protect the same player that scum chose to kill. I figured it was best to save my last shot for the potential late game scenario. Suspicion of me was starting to pick up anyway so I figured I'd be an unlikely scum kill, and if worst came to worst and I became a lynch target, I could claim that day, and then use my last shot on the same night that scum would first know to target me.[/QUOTE]
Night 2 I protected Faddy as he was by far the most confirmed town, though I later learned I was really protecting myself due to Faddy's redirect. I've been dropping hints about this for a while, but I think it is much more likely that Faddy was targeted N2 than GoG was or that GoG was the killer. However, this only absolves GoG of the biggest reason for which she's been targeted so far. She could still well be scum, but I think the only convincing case is one that doesn't rely on the N2 jailing. If my theory is right, scum will have been wondering who saved Faddy N2 while at the same time trying to play up the GoG case to try to push an easy lynch.
You'll see in the thread that on day 3 I did briefly entertain the scum GoG theory. I did this because I didn't want to make it obvious that I was the protector, and because GoG wasn't in particular danger of being lynched so I thought there were no harm. Recently though I've had to become more forcibly anti-GoG lynch as it picked up in popularity.
After seeing the deathless N2, I figured I had scared scum off targeting Faddy again. So for N3 I decided to protect the next most town read person, despite me not being as sure: Fantomas. But as we saw scum targeted Faddy again (well probably again).
Night 4, I didn't use my ability because we had more confirmed town or heavily read town, so chances were much lower that I'd pick to protect the same player that scum chose to kill. I figured it was best to save my last shot for the potential late game scenario. Suspicion of me was starting to pick up anyway so I figured I'd be an unlikely scum kill, and if worst came to worst and I became a lynch target, I could claim that day, and then use my last shot on the same night that scum would first know to target me.[/QUOTE]
At this point Fanto reads the glowing praise showered by Include and calls it out:
Include doubles down on this:
Now even Fanto would admit that no one's played well enough this game to deserve this much praise. Of course who decided to pop along at that point to ease Fantomas' suspicions if not for our dearly departed scuMonkey?
Now I don't know what languages Include speaks, but I'm willing to bet that multiple sentences and paragraphs of gushing over Fanto's play wasn't something that got lost in translation.
So we come to the end of last day phase, despite most of town core voting for Monkey and Faddy and I's arguments showing how illogical Monkey's points and reads against me were at 10 mins before the end of voting Include votes for ET instead, and ties the vote. If it wasn't for the last second jump by Fanto that's how it would've ended and Monkey would have been saved:
No arguments, no points or reads. Just that she's not feeling Monkey over ET.
And then comes her last post here. Now that we've got rid of Monkey and are trying to find more scum, with the likes of Meatwad, Nin and ET all getting pressured Include sweeps in and posts this:
More than half this post is defending her actions the last night (well I couldn't have voted Monkey cos it didn't make sense y'know?) and theres next to nothing here in terms of actually hunting scum. What happened to her being certain nin was scum? And her last minute vote on ET? She didn't push either of those, but she defended herself. Now let me ask you guys, does this sound like someone trying to hunt scum? Or does this smack of desperation trying to defend her vote even when there's no pressure on her?
VOTE: Include
I'm going to post some general, unorganized thoughts.
I'd like to hear claims from FEPs, ET, and Include.
It looks like Blarg and Monkey were members of the original scum. There are probably 2 original scum members left, and then 1 to 2 recruited members. I think 1 recruit is most likely. If they truly had 5 members yesterday, I think they could have forced through a vote on a townie on some point, and then they could have won with a night kill. If the remaining original scum are like Blarg and Monkey, then they'll likely have abilities too. Looking at the unclaimed people, it is likely going to be mostly vanilla, but I'd still like to hear it.
I'm going to take another look at Day 1 and see if anything new pops up between Blarg or Monkey while Blarg is on the chopping block.
The Trigger vote is a waste of time today. They are clearly inactive, and I have no clue how FEPs could be so sure they are scum.
Looking back, Dr Monkey had likely used all of her abilities that mattered (Janitor and Bonus during the Apollo + Lovers Night, Strongarm was either used earlier or irrelevant now), so maybe scum would be willing to bus her. But outside of Faddy and Kopite, Dr Monkey was being fairly town read until late in the day, so I believe that scum would be trying to push a townie lynch at some point during the day. Nin was the only one that went anywhere with suspicious players during the earlier part of the day (Include, Dr Monkey) and ET didn't start to take off until <30 minutes until the deadline, which is when Fantomas put the second vote on him.
Would scum Monkey really make this post 3 hours before the deadline if either nin or ET were scum?:
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I'd like to hear claims from FEPs, ET, and Include.
It looks like Blarg and Monkey were members of the original scum. There are probably 2 original scum members left, and then 1 to 2 recruited members. I think 1 recruit is most likely. If they truly had 5 members yesterday, I think they could have forced through a vote on a townie on some point, and then they could have won with a night kill. If the remaining original scum are like Blarg and Monkey, then they'll likely have abilities too. Looking at the unclaimed people, it is likely going to be mostly vanilla, but I'd still like to hear it.
I'm going to take another look at Day 1 and see if anything new pops up between Blarg or Monkey while Blarg is on the chopping block.
The Trigger vote is a waste of time today. They are clearly inactive, and I have no clue how FEPs could be so sure they are scum.
Looking back, Dr Monkey had likely used all of her abilities that mattered (Janitor and Bonus during the Apollo + Lovers Night, Strongarm was either used earlier or irrelevant now), so maybe scum would be willing to bus her. But outside of Faddy and Kopite, Dr Monkey was being fairly town read until late in the day, so I believe that scum would be trying to push a townie lynch at some point during the day. Nin was the only one that went anywhere with suspicious players during the earlier part of the day (Include, Dr Monkey) and ET didn't start to take off until <30 minutes until the deadline, which is when Fantomas put the second vote on him.
Would scum Monkey really make this post 3 hours before the deadline if either nin or ET were scum?:
IMO, at most only 1 could be scum. But I think it's most likely that both were town. After 1 was lynched yesterday and flipped town, they could have pushed for the other today to try to win the game. And at the time, people were largely viewing both as scummy.
Kopite
The GP stuff from Include is suspect yeah, I'd like to hear her response to that.
You have your order of events a little wrong there. Monkey's post about Include came after my post about it feeling like a parody and before Include doubled down. And in all honesty, I highly doubt I called out 3 scum members when I quoted people who had been praising me. The fact that two of them were was pure luck.
Other than that, I think the only side eye I have for her today that wasn't based on bullshit from me is the ET vote. I will say this though: I would have felt the need to defend myself pretty hard if I hadn't voted Monkey too. I mean shit, I was the one who made it final on her and I still felt the need to defend the fact that I hadn't voted for her until literally the last minute.
The GP stuff from Include is suspect yeah, I'd like to hear her response to that.
You have your order of events a little wrong there. Monkey's post about Include came after my post about it feeling like a parody and before Include doubled down. And in all honesty, I highly doubt I called out 3 scum members when I quoted people who had been praising me. The fact that two of them were was pure luck.
Other than that, I think the only side eye I have for her today that wasn't based on bullshit from me is the ET vote. I will say this though: I would have felt the need to defend myself pretty hard if I hadn't voted Monkey too. I mean shit, I was the one who made it final on her and I still felt the need to defend the fact that I hadn't voted for her until literally the last minute.
Giant Panda
I agree, I do think the people who never claimed should be looked at.
I agree about the Trigger vote, I have no read on him.
If you believe my #BusNin conspiracy, then yes, I would say that post from scum Monkey makes perfect sense! But yeah, I think we should probably lay off of Nin at least, maybe not ET though.
Like Faddy had pointed out, Kits/ET could have been their bus target at different points over the days, possible recruit. He's is also on the list of no-claims, and before she left, Kits was someone Faddy had been targeting all game and he seemed interested in ET as a possible lynch target for yesterday. And today too judging from some of his final posts on D7. He didn't seemed convinced one way or another that ET was town, just that there was probably Mafia members on the ET vote.
I agree, I do think the people who never claimed should be looked at.
I agree about the Trigger vote, I have no read on him.
If you believe my #BusNin conspiracy, then yes, I would say that post from scum Monkey makes perfect sense! But yeah, I think we should probably lay off of Nin at least, maybe not ET though.
Like Faddy had pointed out, Kits/ET could have been their bus target at different points over the days, possible recruit. He's is also on the list of no-claims, and before she left, Kits was someone Faddy had been targeting all game and he seemed interested in ET as a possible lynch target for yesterday. And today too judging from some of his final posts on D7. He didn't seemed convinced one way or another that ET was town, just that there was probably Mafia members on the ET vote.
Looking back at Day 1:
CeeCee/Nin unvotes Kits a minute before the day end, but it was already looking clear that Exodus was being lynched. Town reading this, and it seems super unlikely one scum would unvote the other at this time. So it seems unlikely both were scum them, and I just posted above that I don't believe both are scum now. If ET is town it doesn't tell us anything about new about Nin.
Scum ET makes scum FEPs look slightly more likely on day 1, has FEPs had a vote on Kits/ET late in the day then switched to Exodus. But FEPs is the one pushing for ET now. And FEPs' unvote with 40 minutes to go tied Blarg and Kits at 6 votes each. Some the evidence doesn't seem conclusive no matter how ET flips.
Zookfoodle/Include dropped the first vote on Kits and then left. Claimed they wouldn't be around for day end it does look like they weren't. I don't think scum would drop a vote on a scum buddy and then not monitor the day end, so scum ET make town Include at the time a bit more likely. But not feeling too confident there either as Zook might have actually been lying and was monitoring the thread.
At first scum ET makes Meatwad look good by putting her in the lead with about 1 hour to go, but then I saw that Meatwad moved from Kits to Blarg after Blarg had fallen out of contention, and Meatwad's move off Kits helped make her safe.
So really, I'm not sure that lynching ET would make day 1 all that much clearer. Especially so considering that recruit mechanic.
CeeCee/Nin unvotes Kits a minute before the day end, but it was already looking clear that Exodus was being lynched. Town reading this, and it seems super unlikely one scum would unvote the other at this time. So it seems unlikely both were scum them, and I just posted above that I don't believe both are scum now. If ET is town it doesn't tell us anything about new about Nin.
Scum ET makes scum FEPs look slightly more likely on day 1, has FEPs had a vote on Kits/ET late in the day then switched to Exodus. But FEPs is the one pushing for ET now. And FEPs' unvote with 40 minutes to go tied Blarg and Kits at 6 votes each. Some the evidence doesn't seem conclusive no matter how ET flips.
Zookfoodle/Include dropped the first vote on Kits and then left. Claimed they wouldn't be around for day end it does look like they weren't. I don't think scum would drop a vote on a scum buddy and then not monitor the day end, so scum ET make town Include at the time a bit more likely. But not feeling too confident there either as Zook might have actually been lying and was monitoring the thread.
At first scum ET makes Meatwad look good by putting her in the lead with about 1 hour to go, but then I saw that Meatwad moved from Kits to Blarg after Blarg had fallen out of contention, and Meatwad's move off Kits helped make her safe.
So really, I'm not sure that lynching ET would make day 1 all that much clearer. Especially so considering that recruit mechanic.
So if ET doesn't clear up Day 1 all that much, the main takeaway I see if ET is scum is that it would tell us that scum were on both lynches yesterday.
*Could have been on both lynches yesterday as they were resigned to losing a scum member. Thought I should make that clearer.
This is the important part. Plus it gives light on nin, as ceecee gave lipservice to other lynches but ended up just fucking off to no vote (another throwaway like monkey's vote), further guaranteeing exo's lynch.
Plus, scum et would fully kill the scum pile on et theory that's still kicking around from end of d7
Sorry, it's just a good gif, probably Blarg's best contribution to the game.
Sorry, it's just a good gif, probably Blarg's best contribution to the game.
I love you LOL
Other than being an obtuse player, I guess.
Sorry, it's just a good gif, probably Blarg's best contribution to the game.
Uh who else could I be referring to?
I'm honestly kind of lost on what to do right now. I actually like Kopite's post about Include. Something seems off about her. But I don't want to vote for her yet because she hasn't posted at all lately.
You know what? I'll just reanalyze some posters again, especially Include.
Point still stands on that.
You defended it but still participated in hunting scum. Include didn;t.
No it doesn't give light on CeeCee/Nin. Cee only moved off kits at the last minute, and it was clear Kits was safe, so scum Cee had no need to do that for scum Kits.
Lynching ET mostly just gives imperfect info on Meatwad, while we can cut out the middleman and get better info on Meatwad by flipping him.
Yeah, I agree with this. Both about feeling lost and about Kopite's post.
I would go back and do some re-reads, but I don't know what to look for, and I don't want to get in the way of actual scum hunting by just posting a bunch of nonsense like I have been.
Of course it still gives info. It was still an intentional move off of kits.
And way to ignore d7.
Anyway, i went through fan's meatwad thing yesterday and that lynch would benefit a lot more from imperfect info than the jackshit we have now.
You have something better?
Do you think you could give a read on Meatwad at some point? Mine isn't really sufficient.
I'll be up for a few hours, almost home. Hoping to see activity increase a bit more. This is a bit slow. Lot of apathy
More of a lack of confidence for me. I'm plenty concerned with the game, I just don't feel like I have anything worthwhile to add until someone can come in with a read for me to respond to. My reads have been shot down, and I don't know if I can re-examine anyone since I don't know what to look for.
I doubt scum recruited anyone, much less two. With the amount of power roles in this game, recruit seems like a pretty bullshit power. Which is fine since town is pretty chalk full of bullshit antitown or otherwise useless powers.
1 shot hypnotist? Really?
And Faddy and gp seemed to have worked in perfect sync to keep Faddy from redirecting onto town (gp himself as luck would have it). We're lucky melon killed and also blocked two neutrals (holy shit, melon is a neutral murder machine... it almost makes up for the two town). Zeusy's power was shit and town shat the bed over it. We're really on d8 despite all odds.
And i bet you monkey used her strong kill on the day panda didn't protect Faddy and he was resurrected. Blind luck everywhere
1 shot hypnotist? Really?
And Faddy and gp seemed to have worked in perfect sync to keep Faddy from redirecting onto town (gp himself as luck would have it). We're lucky melon killed and also blocked two neutrals (holy shit, melon is a neutral murder machine... it almost makes up for the two town). Zeusy's power was shit and town shat the bed over it. We're really on d8 despite all odds.
And i bet you monkey used her strong kill on the day panda didn't protect Faddy and he was resurrected. Blind luck everywhere
I think ET and Include are the only people I would feel comfortable lynching today now.
For ET it's mainly just based on Kits and that Faddy had lots of suspicions about her but he died before he could push the lynch.
And then Kopite has made some good points about Include, and even though she seems to be scum hunting, her focus is usually set at the start of the day and I feel like she doesn't really do much other than post about her tunnel-of-the-day.
For ET it's mainly just based on Kits and that Faddy had lots of suspicions about her but he died before he could push the lynch.
And then Kopite has made some good points about Include, and even though she seems to be scum hunting, her focus is usually set at the start of the day and I feel like she doesn't really do much other than post about her tunnel-of-the-day.
Main reason is due to his voting, especially in the last phase.
Will do.
That just made me scream internally, i mean i could understand her viewpoint going after be but when i decided to point out that she should also look at other people aswell she just doubled down.
Huge red flag for me
Kopite you are being dishonest by accusing me of not doing anything during this day phase while I literally announced my unavailability due to RL, would you have accused me in general (you would be still wrong fyi) it's at least within the game rules, however when I actually announced that I am not gonna be able to play and you are all over me because of it, it's just disingenuous.
But even so when some people that you're leaning town on don't even bother to fact check unwarranted and false accusations against you and tells you that all the work you have done over this past 3 day phases you subbed in is nothing, it's beyond insulting.
Vote: Include
Turbo and enjoy your mislynch.
But even so when some people that you're leaning town on don't even bother to fact check unwarranted and false accusations against you and tells you that all the work you have done over this past 3 day phases you subbed in is nothing, it's beyond insulting.
Vote: Include
Turbo and enjoy your mislynch.
You were not singing the same song in Heroes vs Villains? I wonder why you didn't accuse me for the same thing back then, huh? Maybe because I am exactly the same as I was then but unlike the last time we played together, this time around you are mafia so it's suite you just fine to go that route. Huge red flag, nin.
This thread is a graveyard. I'm going to call it a night so I can make day end but this is as dead as the thread has been at this hour. Scum is happy.
We need to lynch trigger. not even et seems to care much if he lives or dies. what's up with that?
We need to lynch trigger. not even et seems to care much if he lives or dies. what's up with that?
I can't seem to find anything that smells scummy to me in Zookfoodle's posts from before Include replaced him. He brought up some weird stuff about why to consider a Melon lynch on D2 before deciding on Splinter after his role claim, but I don't know how to read in to all of that, it all seems like Town play for the context of the game at the time really.
Lynching Trigger just feels so lazy though. Your firmest read on Indy was his D1 vote logic, right? Well we don't have Indy here anymore to defend that point and Trigger has completely ditched out on the game so no one has a read on him.
What do we learn if he flips Town and what do we learn if he flips Scum? And would those things tell us more than a lynch on someone else today?
Not his logic. Collective scum logic. I have fucked this up before but it is honestly extremely rare to see zero scum on opposing wagons when a scum is up for lynch
Please reread what I have said, I said your last post did nothing to help scum hunt, but you managed to slot in a very nice and impassioned defence of Monkey. I don't know how you expected playing Mafia and not get accused of being scum.
Ok yeah, I guess I worded that wrong. I meant the logic of where his day 1 vote ended up is what you are basing it on. And yeah, I can see what you mean about that even though I don't have the experience to confirm it.
But Blarg(scum) was on the Exodus vote? Are you discounting him because he was voted late?
Again, this is not an info lynch. ET is the best info lynch we have and GP is bending over backwards not to do it in defense of a Meatwad read that hasn't surfaced. I trust he's not scum but I don't know what he's doing. We have an info lynch, we have an almost surefire numbers lynch, but we have zero movement. The only thing anyone can actually agree on is they don't want trigger.
Well GP did actually agree with what you are saying today about ET being an info vote. It was something I pointed out in my recap of what Faddy, GP, and Kopite were talking about at the end of D7.
This was before he put down his vote on Monkey for context.
I do want to hear the scum reads that GP and Kopite have on Meatwad too. But otherwise I would lean to an ET vote today. I can maybe be convinced on Trigger, but I'd like something else to go on there. Even if it's just a hunch, give me something haha.
Self defense. Voting opposing trains is not allotment indicative. Everyone should do it, scum or town.
But yeah, he voted late. If he was the only scum on opposing trains that means the whole team was off the only opposing train that we know wasn't scum.
It's not impossible that there are no scum it's just unlikely.
I've already laid out that on further inspection ET provides very little info for day 1, and day 1 info isn't as useful. The only good info it gives is yesterday's.
You can lynch for info, or you can lynch someone much more likely to be scum in Meatwad. He's dropped 2 late votes in defense of scum, and has generally been flying under the radar all game.
FEPs is pushing bad lunches IMO which is only adding to my scum read of him.
You can lynch for info, or you can lynch someone much more likely to be scum in Meatwad. He's dropped 2 late votes in defense of scum, and has generally been flying under the radar all game.
FEPs is pushing bad lunches IMO which is only adding to my scum read of him.