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Alej

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I have red hair too and yes I am black.

It suck thats you went though that people are jackasses but but know this it aint comparable at all.

I'm not comparing the suffering of all black people in America of past and today to my own.

I just wanted to say i know what it is to be separated because of a biological attribute. I was just responding to a post saying i don't know what it is to be treated as a minority (as a white).

And everyone sees me as a white here. You see. I'm not a white colour person nor a red hair person. Please.
 

Raonak

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Oct 29, 2017
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Would it also be "problematic" a non-white person had this job?
(indian, asian, african from the contentient of africa, polynesian, etc)
Because it seems like people are implying that black topics like this be exclusive to black people?

She just happens to be a white woman working in a black history museum, which from all indications has a pretty diverse staff.

"I want black people to be highly represented in the role of sharing our history and culture" is a goal and value I can get behind. And the museum does this while also having diversity in it's ranks. To me, that's great and is exactly how it should be.
Pretty much that.
 

Lashley

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Sorry, i understand that very well. But you shouldn't judge people by their skin color.

Fight the racial state, i'm with you. But YOU are simplistic, there isn't only you in the world, your battle is universal among mankind.

You'll laugh at me, but i experience racism more than you think. I won't compare because it's insulting, and no one want to kill me because of my skin color. But i happen to have red hair, and i've been deeply mistreated to this day in my country because of this, because of a biological thing. Mistreated like insulted by random people, ostracized, persecuted in the public space, etc. No guns but nearly beaten to death when i was a teen. And guess what, i'm not alone experiencing this, a lot of people are biological minorities and we experience those things because some people categorize/hierarchize us with our biological differences.

I am reminded i have red hair everyday. Do whatever you want with that, i don't compare myself to others, but i know.
Are...You.....Serious?
 

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I'm not comparing the suffering of all black people in America of past and today to my own.

I just wanted to say i know what it is to be separated because of a biological attribute.

But everyone sees me as a white here. You see. I'm not a white colour person nor a red hair person. Please.
Wasn't just in the US my kin suffered, nearly every major country fucked over black people that includes France
 

Kin5290

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At the very least the thread title should be changed ASAP, as it's basically incorrect in every possible way.
 

Double 0

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Jumping into this:

1) The lady probably is qualified, I'm not gonna come for her. She probably was working with everyone involved, and they just decided to have her lead it.

2) The smoke deserves to be aimed at the heads of NMAAHC. The leadership didn't give a fuck about the optics, or their audience, or probably even the lady in question. All the debate and flack coming at them is deserved. Do better, give a shit about making your core audience feel at home, instead of co-opted.

EDIT: Okay, if she's not the only curator, then that's fine.
 
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Sorry, i understand that very well. But you shouldn't judge people by their skin color.

Fight the racial state, i'm with you. But YOU are simplistic, there isn't only you in the world, your battle is universal among mankind.

You'll laugh at me, but i experience racism more than you think. I won't compare because it's insulting, and no one want to kill me because of my skin color. But i happen to have red hair, and i've been deeply mistreated to this day in my country because of this, because of a biological thing. Mistreated like insulted by random people, ostracized, persecuted in the public space, etc. No guns but nearly beaten to death when i was a teen. And guess what, i'm not alone experiencing this, a lot of people are biological minorities and we experience those things because some people categorize/hierarchize us with our biological differences.

I am reminded i have red hair everyday. Do whatever you want with that, i don't compare myself to others, but i know.
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Sorry man but you just... really aren't handling the topic at hand well.
 

Kin5290

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Jumping into this:

1) The lady probably is qualified, I'm not gonna come for her. She probably was working with everyone involved, and they just decided to have her lead it.

2) The smoke deserves to be aimed at the heads of NMAAHC. The leadership didn't give a fuck about the optics, or their audience, or probably even the lady in question. All the debate and flack coming at them is deserved. Do better, give a shit about making your core audience feel at home, instead of co-opted.
Please read my posts on the previous page. The OP is factually incorrect, poorly sourced, and very misleading, and it presents uneducated misunderstandings as fact.
 
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With Trump, and everything else going on this seems like an odd fight to focus on. Someone who by all accounts is on the side of good and would be considered by some as an "ally" (although that word seems to be being vilified now) is now being turned into a villain. Bringing up the fact that a POC should be in the position or questioning how it happened is fine but some of the responses are ridiculous. Saying now the museum is going to be filled with vanilla ice and Macklemore wtf? And now Chuck D is an Uncle Tom etc. And now we're to the point of the people who hired her might be Uncle Tom "rich blacks" who are part of the problem? Some of you are chasing your owl tales. And if you decent from the opinion she should be outed/ give up her job you are "caping for the poor white women"
 
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RastaMentality
Oct 25, 2017
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It's worth noting that:
1) This exhibit has been open to the public for almost a year (October 2017), and nobody has had a problem with a white woman playing a role in procuring and curating artifacts until just recently.
2) There's nothing that I can find that suggests Ms. Burnside is THE curator of the exhibit as opposed to A curator. The idea that she is THE curator comes from Rasta's poorly made OP that is based entirely on some random dude's outraged tweet that a white woman is working in hip hop history and is hardly well sourced. I did find mentions of another person mentioned to work alongside Ms. Burnside when it came to artifact procurement, whose job title is "curator": one Dr. Kevin Strait. He is black, if you're wondering.
Considering Timothy's page or nobody else made this comment on her page and all of her friends came to her defense, this is what people believed.

But wow that's great she isn't the sole curator.
 

Raonak

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Oct 29, 2017
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2) The smoke deserves to be aimed at the heads of NMAAHC. The leadership didn't give a fuck about the optics, or their audience, or probably even the lady in question. All the debate and flack coming at them is deserved. Do better, give a shit about making your core audience feel at home, instead of co-opted.
What the hell did the leadership do wrong?
Do you want them to mandate that only black people should be given public facing jobs at this museum?
Do you know how many anti-discrimination laws that would violate?

When did diversity become the enemy???
 
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RastaMentality
Oct 25, 2017
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Sorry, i understand that very well. But you shouldn't judge people by their skin color.

Fight the racial state, i'm with you. But YOU are simplistic, there isn't only you in the world, your battle is universal among mankind.

You'll laugh at me, but i experience racism more than you think. I won't compare because it's insulting, and no one want to kill me because of my skin color. But i happen to have red hair, and i've been deeply mistreated to this day in my country because of this, because of a biological thing. Mistreated like insulted by random people, ostracized, persecuted in the public space, etc. No guns but nearly beaten to death when i was a teen. And guess what, i'm not alone experiencing this, a lot of people are biological minorities and we experience those things because some people categorize/hierarchize us with our biological differences.

I am reminded i have red hair everyday. Do whatever you want with that, i don't compare myself to others, but i know.
this is a terribly embarrassing post
 

woman

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What the hell did the leadership do wrong?
Do you want them to mandate that only black people should be given public facing jobs at this museum?
Do you know how many anti-discrimination laws that would violate?

When did diversity become the enemy???

What do you think the goal of diversity initiatives is?
 

Kin5290

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Considering Timothy's page or nobody else made this comment on her page and all of her friends came to her defense, this is what people believed.

But wow that's great she isn't the sole curator.
It took me 15 minutes of Googling the woman's name, "NMAAHC", and "hip hop" to find what I did. You'd think that, prior to making a thread about a contentious subject such as "Should a white academic be allowed to work in black cultural spaces?" one could put in a fraction of that effort needed to find sources that went beyond "some guy on Twitter".
 
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It took me 15 minutes of Googling the woman's name, "NMAAHC", and "hip hop" to find what I did. You'd think that, prior to making a thread about a contentious subject such as "Should a white academic be allowed to work in black cultural spaces?" one could put in a fraction of that effort needed to find sources that went beyond "some guy on Twitter".
The entire trending discussion on Twitter went around and literally no one at the Smithsonian cared to comment that there was a team of curators working rather than one person. This wasn't in the Smithsonian statement or her own tweets or among any of the other ones made by her friends.

It's best you calm down.
 

Kin5290

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The entire trending discussion on Twitter went around and literally no one at the Smithsonian cared to comment that there was a team of curators working rather than one person. This wasn't in the Smithsonian statement or her own tweets or among any of the other ones made by her friends.

It's best you calm down.
It's best that you get to work changing your OP and title to be less inflammatory.
 

Dragnipur

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Feb 27, 2018
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The entire trending discussion on Twitter went around and literally no one at the Smithsonian cared to comment that there was a team of curators working rather than one person. This wasn't in the Smithsonian statement or her own tweets or among any of the other ones made by her friends.
It's best you calm down.
He's not wrong, if you're gonna post something that will lead to someone getting some flak you should do your due diligence.
 

D i Z

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Where X marks the spot.
Sorry, i understand that very well. But you shouldn't judge people by their skin color.

Fight the racial state, i'm with you. But YOU are simplistic, there isn't only you in the world, your battle is universal among mankind.

You'll laugh at me, but i experience racism more than you think. I won't compare because it's insulting, and no one want to kill me because of my skin color. But i happen to have red hair, and i've been deeply mistreated to this day in my country because of this, because of a biological thing. Mistreated like insulted by random people, ostracized, persecuted in the public space, etc. No guns but nearly beaten to death when i was a teen. And guess what, i'm not alone experiencing this, a lot of people are biological minorities and we experience those things because some people categorize/hierarchize us with our biological differences.

I am reminded i have red hair everyday. Do whatever you want with that, i don't compare myself to others, but i know.


Good read. Would recommend for any oppression Olympics bullshit outside of buying hair dye if it's that much of a problem.
 
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He's not wrong, if you're gonna post something that will lead to someone getting some flak you should do your due diligence.



Another one of Timothy's friends that literally has not denied that she's the curator of the exhibit while also bringing up her own personal problems. I'm pretty sure if it was as BLATANTLY obvious that she wasn't the curator on Google.com these people would be refuting that #1.
 

Double 0

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If she isn't the only curator, the heads of NMAAHC should be making it VERY clear she's not.

It's up to them to be the ones to clear this up. And they aren't doing a good job, if they even care to.
 
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RastaMentality
Oct 25, 2017
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I will update the OP when someone at the Smithsonian or at least close to timothy refutes that she's not the curator of the museum. I don't see why this wouldn't happen if it's so blatantly obvious so.

The museum went as far to make a public statement and said all of nothing about that.
 

Kin5290

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Another one of Timothy's friends that literally has not denied that she's the curator of the exhibit while also bringing up her own personal problems. I'm pretty sure if it was as BLATANTLY obvious that she wasn't the curator on Google.com these people would be refuting that #1.

Unless you work at the NMAAHC or a similar institution, you're making an assumption that curator means "sole authority on a subject of exhibit". I've already demonstrated that at least one other person, who is black, functioned in a similar role for the given exhibit and holds the title of "curator".
 

Raonak

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I feel like most people here don't even know what a curator does, it sure as hell doesn't mean the sole owner of the museum.
There are plenty of diverse curators working there if the museum statement is to be believed.


When people talk about diversity in most cases they aren't talking about there being a lack of white voices and representation.
Yeah, and i'm not talking about that either.
I simply think the people who think she's not being black enough for the job are completely misguided.
What message is this sending to anyone?

Can an asian person not curate an exhibition like this?
 
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woman

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To ensure social justice and representation while also creating a coalition of people with diverse backgrounds and point of views?

Don't you think it's a little more than disingenuous to frame diversity in a way to include more white people when they're the most dominant group? Like, they don't need assistance to be included. Their voice is always heard, often to other group's exclusion.
 

Raonak

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Don't you think it's a little more than disingenuous to frame diversity in a way to include more white people when they're the most dominant group? Like, they don't need assistance to be included. Their voice is always heard, often to other group's exclusion.
So once, again, what if it were a non-white, but non-black person?

Is this purely about her being white? or her being non-black?
 

woman

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If she isn't the only curator, the heads of NMAAHC should be making it VERY clear she's not.

It's up to them to be the ones to clear this up. And they aren't doing a good job, if they even care to.
You'd think it would be the first thing coming out of their mouth if it were the case. This whole thing would blow over.
 
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Don't you think it's a little more than disingenuous to frame diversity in a way to include more white people when they're the most dominant group? Like, they don't need assistance to be included. Their voice is always heard, often to other group's exclusion.
White people don't need assistance to be included, but completely removing them was never the point and not a goal worth striving for.
 
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Seems like he just wants people to be misinformed at this point.
I said THE curator not a curator. Where are the tweets saying she's just working on a team? I find it interesting we're supposed to just believe what the site says when all of her friends have basically said yes, she's in the job but no, it's not a problem.
 

wisdom0wl

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So once, again, what if it were a non-white, but non-black person?

Is this purely about her being white? or her being non-black?
It's not that non black POCs can't, but more that we shouldn't. The optics just look weird/bad.

I'd feel the same way if it were a white/black/Latino curating or telling the story of an Asian American experience (painting with broad strokes here).

Minorities should be able to tell our own stories without it looking like we need a white voice to validate it.
 

Raonak

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This isn't that hard. Black people want other black people to tell black peoples stories.
if that was true, there would be no problem. She's a single employee amongst a diverse group. She has black bosses and black co-workers.
If she were the owner of this museum, or the curation staff was predominantly non-black, I would agree with the outrage.

The issue here is that *some* seem to want ONLY black people to tell black peoples stories. Like if you aren't black nor white, just stop paying attention to black people's stories, because it's not for us.
 

woman

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The issue here is that *some* seem to want ONLY black people to tell black peoples stories. Like if you aren't black nor white, just stop paying attention to black people's stories, because it's not for us.

The stories are ones of oppression and exclusion that are ongoing. This is a paid position. Why not give it to someone whose career was certainly negatively affected by the very same oppression and exclusion rather than a woman who benefits from it?
 

Dragnipur

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I said THE curator not a curator. Where are the tweets saying she's just working on a team? I find it interesting we're supposed to just believe what the site says when all of her friends have basically said yes, she's in the job but no, it's not a problem.
Are you really using twitter as your main source while dismissing others? Lmao
 

Raonak

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The stories are ones of oppression and exclusion that are ongoing. This is a paid position. Why not give it to someone whose career was certainly negatively affected by the very same oppression and exclusion rather than a woman who benefits from it?
While I can understand that sentiment; the museum leadership is predominantly black, where's the line, should they just not hire any white people?
Is hiring other POC allowed, or because they also didn't face the same kind of oppression and exclusion, they cannot?

It's not that non black POCs can't, but more that we shouldn't. The optics just look weird/bad.

I'd feel the same way if it were a white/black/Latino curating or telling the story of an Asian American experience (painting with broad strokes here).
And do you not find that insanely backwards, as a minority, we have been fighting to get away from that.

An indian dude like me should be free to study, teach, and curate japanese/greek/african/arabic history.
But, no according to some people here, I *should* not, because I should know better.
 
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