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NameUser

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Oct 25, 2017
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Not saying you're wrong, but if they were talking in Korean they might've been saying "nega" or "niga" which basically means "you" (formal/informal).

It was pretty confusing because I thought I heard a bunch of Koreans at school one day going off and dropping it like it's nothing lol
Oh, I know the difference. I've been watching k-dramas and listening to K-pop long enough to understand some of the stuff they say and I studied Korean for a little bit.

I'm talking about idols straight up saying nigga:



With that said, the people in the cafe probably were saying "nega".
 

wisdom0wl

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Oct 26, 2017
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I'm talking about idols straight up saying nigga:


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yikes. that's all I gotta say on that
 

PlayBee

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Make a word prolific in pop culture, it gets used by people. Really surprising.
 

Just Jet

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love these threads lmao the mental gymnastics to try and rationalize it is hilarious
 

Enzom21

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Oct 25, 2017
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When someone like motherless agrees with you regarding anything having to do with race or racism, you should probably re-evaluate your position.
Check out his trash post history especially in reference to black people. Of course he thinks he should be able to say nigger free of consequence.
 

OceanBreeze

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Never used the word in my life but black people only have themselves to blame unfortunately and they can't accept it.

Nobody owns words or language so that argument is completely void.

As a white person do I want to be hearing the word every 10 seconds in music and film? The answer is no.
 

rambis

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't mind it in the general sense but I do kinda wince when its used to refer specifically to black people. I also don't know why its said on here so much but whatever.
 

HiLife

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm convinced some these posters are the same guys just making alt accounts. Since GAF.
 

Enzom21

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I'm convinced some these posters are the same guys just making alt accounts.
The same racists making the "You blacks shouldn't complain" argument? Nah, there are plenty of folks that believe that nonsense. OceanBreeze was the only one who wasn't a coward and actually said black people instead of this beating around the bush nonsense others are doing in the thread. Though, with such a low post count, it was probably an alt.

I only see black people using that word on here.
Gingerninja is not black and he has used it a couple of times here.
 
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Thordinson

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Never used the word in my life but black people only have themselves to blame unfortunately and they can't accept it.

Nobody owns words or language so that argument is completely void.

As a white person do I want to be hearing the word every 10 seconds in music and film? The answer is no.

This is incredibly tone deaf and a terrible thing to say.

As a white person, I'm completely good with only black people saying the word. I have no desire to say it. I know the history of the word and how it's been used to dehumanize an entire race.

If it upsets or hurts someone, just don't say it. It's that simple really.
 

The Futurist

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Brown Indian man here.

I was in 4th or 5th grade playing basketball at some field trip summer camp thing my entire class went on.

We picked up a game with some black kids our age from some other school. My middle name starts with N and my friends were obviously saying my name ( I go by my middle name) during the game. I used to be pretty good at basketball, so the black kids during game starting calling me "nigga n******". I grew up in white suburbia and we looked at each other not knowing how to react, but it was fine. We had a good time and the kids were nice. Nothing mean, nothing bad about it all.

So after that, it became something that lasted all the way to now. 25 years later. The handful of times a year that I see my childhood friends, someone might bring call me nigga N.

No one says it over and over. It's not a part of our vocabulary. No one says nigga at all outside of this one very specific context.

The point is context. I work and live in Manhattan now and I hear it all the time on the subway. Not too often by people who aren't black, but usually it's other minorities. I can't remember the last time I heard a white guy saying it in person. Doesn't really happen in New York. Although there are some wannabe thug Indians that I personally know that say it all the time. Shit makes no sense.

People are becoming more aware now, but what do you expect when it's a word with so much behind it in terms of how black people have been treated in America, yet at the same time it's a word that is said over and over and over in popular music. You grow up listening to rap from the late 80s and early 90s like I did and it's a word you heard constantly. It's the same now and some people are going to pick up on that because of course people repeat what they hear in the media they consume.

A lot of it is also about where people come from. Don't expect people from a poor socioeconomic background to raise themselves up to whatever moral high ground you are looking down from. For the most part, people are a product of their environment. You can't point your fingers and say "oh this person shouldn't be saying this word" when you can't understand why they are saying it to begin with. Spend a regular amount of time in Harlem at 125th even just at the subway station that transfers the 4,5, and 6 and you will hear it pretty much constantly and while usually it's black people, a lot of times it's Hispanic people as well because all their peers are speaking and using the same vocabulary.

Everyone here wants to make everything so fucking black and white. It's not. It almost never is.
 

Kappa

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Oct 27, 2017
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Never used the word in my life but black people only have themselves to blame unfortunately and they can't accept it.

Nobody owns words or language so that argument is completely void.

As a white person do I want to be hearing the word every 10 seconds in music and film? The answer is no.

There it is. This brave soul dared to say what all the white posters in this thread have been wanting to say. I fear for all minorities
 

Nepenthe

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People are becoming more aware now, but what do you expect when it's a word with so much behind it in terms of how black people have been treated in America, yet at the same time it's a word that is said over and over and over in popular music.
Do you think this applies with misogynistic terms? Do you think brown men are calling the women in their lives- their mothers, their sisters, their aunts, their romantic partners (if they actually respect them)- bitches simply because they heard it in rap and truly, honestly, don't know any better? Or do you think that they've never, in their lives, seen or heard about scandals involving the n-word slipping out?

Everyone here wants to make everything so fucking black and white.
The use of the n-word is one of the few things in life that is actually black and white.
 

The Futurist

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Do you think this applies with misogynistic terms? Do you think brown men are calling the women in their lives- their mothers, their sisters, their aunts, their romantic partners (if they actually respect them)- bitches simply because they heard it in rap and truly, honestly, don't know any better? Or do you think that they've never, in their lives, seen or heard about scandals involving the n-word slipping out?


The use of the n-word is one of the few things in life that is actually black and white.

I am not saying it's right. I am not saying it's ok for anyone other than black people to say it. Of course they shouldn't.

There is almost always some context. Are you going to go tell the hispanic guy who grew up with black friends not to say it because it's objectively wrong? When he's said it his entire life and his black friends have never asked him not to say it or tried to educate him about why he shouldn't say it? You may have a better understanding of these things, but that guy doesn't.

I know this Indian guy in Texas who is the friend of a friend who I've played various games with on PSN. After the first few times I played with him, I honestly though he was black because he said it every other word and who the fuck am I to tell a black guy not to say it or that I don't like hearing it. Then I found out he was Indian and I asked my friend where the fuck this guy is from. He came from some poorer area outside Dallas and most of his friends are black and that's how they talk. Who the fuck am I to say anything to that guy when that's what he grew up saying to and around all his black friends?
 

Nepenthe

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There is almost always some context.
And my point is the context almost always doesn't actually matter.

Are you going to go tell the hispanic guy who grew up with black friends not to say it because it's objectively wrong?
If he says it in my presence, then yes, I'd tell him off. If he's around his friends who gave him a "hood pass" and they have a problem with it, they can get it too.

Who the fuck am I to say anything to that guy when that's what he grew up saying to and around all his black friends?
An admittedly non-black person. It's not your place to actually say anything.

Also, we should be at the point by now where we realize having "black friends" also doesn't mean a damn thing concerning the propagation of racism.
 
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Context people... context.
I think it can be a pass, all dependent on why its being used or when.

But as someone earlier pointed out, just from personal experience..
Non-whites usually do get a pass from using that word overall
 

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I can only condemn fellow white people for saying it.

Never felt it was my place to really have an opinion otherwise.
 

TheGhost

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Growing up in NY, This is nothing new and not changing anytime soon.

Everyone says it, from Asians to Latinos

Don't know if it's like that outside of NY

The "holy shit that guys not even black" reaction wore off by the time I was 10.

Edit: I also spent a lot of time in Hip Hop record stores growing up so idk if it was just that scene or people who were apart of that scene in their younger years.
 

Baji Boxer

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That honestly makes no sense. People who have no history with the word can just use it cause they arent white? I think they want to say it just to sound cool and be part of the 'club' without the drawbacks.

Like, my cousin says it all the time and is half white half mexican. He just looks like a pale white dude but because he has dreads and can speak spanish and apparently its ok.
I've heard enough fellow white people use variations of the word for other groups of people, that I can see it as a reasonable attitude. One drop rule was often applied to people not of African decent.

Anyway, as a white guy, whether or not other non-white people can say it really isn't my problem. I don't make that decision on what non-white people get a pass.
 

Dream Machine

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Oh, I know the difference. I've been watching k-dramas and listening to K-pop long enough to understand some of the stuff they say and I studied Korean for a little bit.

I'm talking about idols straight up saying nigga:



With that said, the people in the cafe probably were saying "nega".

Culture made by black americans has been getting exported without the cultural context for a long time now.

I'm not sure how to address the spread of the word in other countries. It's already been spread, and most people don't know or care about the history of the word. Considering how convoluted the conversation is just within America with everyone speaking English, I can't imagine being an easier conversation if it's translated across languages and cultures.
 

Spring

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Do you think this applies with misogynistic terms? Do you think brown men are calling the women in their lives- their mothers, their sisters, their aunts, their romantic partners (if they actually respect them)- bitches simply because they heard it in rap and truly, honestly, don't know any better? Or do you think that they've never, in their lives, seen or heard about scandals involving the n-word slipping out?


The use of the n-word is one of the few things in life that is actually black and white.

This is a flawed argument. The n-word is used among peers not so much family members as it's portrayed in mainstream hiphop and the same applies for "bitches". Have you not heard of friends (male AND female) calling each other "bitches" or using the phrase "wut up bitches!?" Context matters here for both cases.
 

Nepenthe

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This is a flawed argument. The n-word is used among peers not so much family members and the same applies for "bitches". Have you not heard of friends (male AND female) calling each other "bitches" or using the phrase "wut up bitches!?" Context matters here for both cases.
The argument is only flawed if you believe I'm equovocating the contexts of both words' use. The point is that you can discern appropriateness from the use of words even with their widespread use in pop culture.

While the appropriateness of "bitch" is primarily dependent upon personal relationships, "nigga" is primarily dependent upon racial relationships. Point is, if you don't know a woman or hold her in a position of authority and respect, then you don't call her a bitch. If you're not black, you don't call anyone nigga. This is simple.

In short, the "rap music" and "black friends" excuses being thrown in here are bullshit.

If you're not black, don't use it.
 

shiftplusone

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My dad, brother, sister, Aunt, Grandma etc are black. I'm white

I sure as fuck don't say it. They can say and do what they want with the word but there is literally no excuse or reason for me to say it. At all.

Here in Texas it's prevalent in the Hispanic communities as well which I always found wierd at best, but that ain't my business
 

Spring

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The argument is only flawed if you believe I'm equovocating the contexts of both words' use. The point is that you can discern appropriateness from the use of words even with their widespread use in pop culture.

While the appropriateness of "bitch" is primarily dependent upon personal relationships, "nigga" is primarily dependent upon racial relationships. Point is, if you don't know a woman or hold her in a position of authority and respect, then you don't call her a bitch. If you're not black, you don't call anyone nigga. This is simple.

In short, the "rap music" and "black friends" excuses being thrown in here are bullshit.

If you're not black, don't use it.

The n-word in pop culture/hiphop is not used primarily base on racial relationships, it's use in pop culture/hiphop signifies camaraderie or acknowledgement. See Dre and Em, it's not a strict black-to-black relationship yet Dre called Em his n-word.

According to your logic, we shouldn't be typing out the word bitch either, it should have been the "b-word".
 

Lunar15

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I subscribe to the DONT method, myself.

Just don't. And if you're bothered by the fact that someone said it in a song and you can't, please re-address your life priorities.
 
I've asked black friends before about the n-word. Their response has unilaterally been, "yeah we really shouldn't be saying that word either, I guess it is what it is".

So I don't get what the fascination is with wanting to use a word that even black people admit they shouldn't be slinging around.
 

Nepenthe

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The n-word in pop culture/hiphop is not used primarily base on racial relationships, it's use in pop culture/hiphop signifies camaraderie or acknowledgement. See Dre and Em, it's not a strict black-to-black relationship yet Dre called Em his n-word.

According to your logic, we shouldn't be typing out the word bitch either, it should have been the "b-word".
The people who get the most leeway to use it are black folks; the people with the least amount are white folks. That's specifically because white people continue to exercise power over black people specifically to subjugate us, and that word coming from their mouths is automatically weaponized by default. That's the racial relationship. If Dre calls Em his nigga, that doesn't mean Em has a pass.

And the reason nigga is truncated to n-word is precisely because everyone knows it's extremely offensive in about 99% of possible circumstances and that you shouldn't be using it. But here we are, in yet another thread on a gaming forum, with a whole lot of non-black people trying to tell black people what for.
 

NinjaScooter

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The n-word in pop culture/hiphop is not used primarily base on racial relationships, it's use in pop culture/hiphop signifies camaraderie or acknowledgement. See Dre and Em, it's not a strict black-to-black relationship yet Dre called Em his n-word.

According to your logic, we shouldn't be typing out the word bitch either, it should have been the "b-word".

Does Em say it back to Dre? Why not?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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MoCo Marylander here and I hear it pretty often from Hispanics and Asians. I'm cool with it (I'm half black half white, but of course in the US we go by the one drop rule so to society I'm just black), but I can understand how some are not. One of my good friends is Korean and uses it during casual conversation and no one really bats an eye.

The only consistency I see here is that white people DEF are banned from using the word in any way, shape, or form...
 

Jumpman64

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If black people keep using it, then others will. Simple as that. I'm not saying that's a good thing it's just why people keep using it.
 

V-Faction

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Wow at the timing on this thread. Had a customer at work blindside me with a casual drop of the word while assisting them. Got pretty pissed in my head, responded with what basically amounted to "Okay," and ended things right there. The excuses some people give on top of that...
 

sooperkool

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MoCo Marylander here and I hear it pretty often from Hispanics and Asians. I'm cool with it (I'm half black half white, but of course in the US we go by the one drop rule so to society I'm just black), but I can understand how some are not. One of my good friends is Korean and uses it during casual conversation and no one really bats an eye.

The only consistency I see here is that white people DEF are banned from using the word in any way, shape, or form...

I always want to ask, why are you OK with this?
 

Border

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Oct 25, 2017
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Do you think black people are a monolith?
At least you were honest about trying to tell black people what to do, unlike Border.
I haven't told anyone what to do. I just see it as kind of a binary choice between eliminating the word entirely, or always having to deal with the collateral damage that comes with keeping it in the common popular lexicon. People will always co-opt it in ways they should not, either out of ignorance, disregard, or a desire to transgress.
 

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The "my friends let me/other non-black people say it thing is wild to me because one day you'll be around people who don't give out passes lol
 

maxxpower

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I find it infuriating when white people complain or say they're too uncomfortable hearing that word used by black people. Fuck off with that shit.

Also, it should only be used by black people in the United States. You don't hear it being used by black people in other countries.
 

NinjaScooter

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If black people keep using it, then others will. Simple as that. I'm not saying that's a good thing it's just why people keep using it.

So if black people stop using it racist white people will stop using it as a slur? You honestly believe that? You think the onus is on black people make a slur that is used against them go away?
 

D i Z

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You know what the hilarious part is, every single black artist and actor could stop saying the word completely in all forms of media. Every single black person in the world could stop saying it completely.

Yet white people and other ethnic groups will still say it.

Why? Because the "X artist says it in his song" is just an excuse.

Bottom line. It's still used as an attack dog to get at black folk too. It's not going anywhere, because it's white folks favorite weapon.
 
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I always want to ask, why are you OK with this?
This is just my personal belief, but I see the n-word as a symbol of unity for not just black people but minorities in the US. It's basically a fuck-you to oppressive white people who are afraid of us and forces them to become uncomfortable (in a good way).

Again, just my personal belief and I 100% understand those who believe it should be used exclusively amongst black people.
 
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