Yeah, what? You weren't around for that first thread, were you?
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John “TotalBiscuit” Bain to be inducted into Esports Hall of Fame as first non-player
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Yeah, what? You weren't around for that first thread, were you?
It's not a derail. He's being honoured, people are giving their opinion on why there are issues with that.
After a certain point everything TB did was financially viable
Such a dumb way of looking at it, he does have family you know...
Well, I didn't out of respect lol. it's like the McCain thread.
Anyway, he never did apologize for his mistakes yeah? I know being stubborn was part of his shtick, but if you're gonna go with the "he was just tricked into supporting gamergate" I'd like to see some sort of honest apology. otherwise he just comes across as an opportunist who went back in his lane once gamergate went away.
Seems reasonable to me.
I've now read up a bit and don't really see the evidence that he was actively enganging in everything bad associated with GG. Maybe this now makes me an ignorant, but the TB I came to knew through his videos and the co-optional podcast would have been disgusted by what GG stands for now.
"The only people driving women out of the games industry are the fear-mongering yellow journalists repeating the narrative that women are under attack."
Though TB would occasionally do an interview where he public disavowed association with the group, he would always dive right back in after a few months like the above comment from 2016.
But you obviously don't know anything about the subject since you're making up facts with your first line there. Listen to the guy who managed his Twitter and much of his business. That guy (who is the kind of person who uses the word "feminist" as a slur) was really frustrated that TB was so openly against right-wing politics and didn't even want those people as part of his audience. TB refused to follow political trends to chase a market segment he didn't like.
his legacy is being that one big youtuber who supported gamergate and then died young
Total "I'm also not going to claim they [death threats] were credible because well, Anita is still breathing." Biscuit
And the people that got harassed out of the industry are still around seeing the industry honour someone that pushed them out- do they matter?
It doesn't matter. He's still a human being. To my knowledge, he was a loving father and husband. While many here hate GamerGate, I don't think that particular issue should define anyone.
You ever think about giving less of a fuck about the dead and more of a fuck about the living?
People (mostly women) are still living with the consequences of GG, and whitewashing this jerks memory because he's dead does more harm to them than me calling him a jerk does to him.
I make derogatory comments precisely because I care.
I care about the people (mostly women) who's lives were made measurably worse by Bain's actions during and after GG blew up.
No, because it's a stupid reasoning. People that did terrible things don't get absolved when they die.
A man of peace, truly.
Though TB would occasionally do an interview where he public disavowed association with the group, he would always dive right back in after a few months like the above comment from 2016.
I don't see how the comment by TB proves your evaluation of the situation.
I 100% believe that his social media manager was even worse, but that doesn't change TB's actions or the fact that he used his considerable influence to support a hate group. the effects of those actions are still felt today in American politics and similar nerd "gate"s.
again, honestly asking: did he ever show any kind of sincere regret or give an apology for his actions? or did he just brush it off as you did with something like "oh i just care about ethics in games journalism"?
While I only did some minor moderation work for him back in the days of WoWRadio, I've never met someone who rose so quickly and managed to keep grounded with reality and truly care about those around him. I think a lot of people got mixed up in the GamerGate scenario before it got pushed into the way of a hate movement, and I'll risk the backlash of saying that I was also there, under the misguided guise of it being a movement for journalism. I withdrew support, statements, etc. after realizing what it had become and genuinely don't stand behind the actions of that group. As someone who cared so deeply about the media that he worked with, I can't blame him for doing so as well, and he certainly pulled back. Everyone will say something dumb, but if you ever had the chance to meet him, needed help, advice, a general push in the right direction, despite him dealing with his own problems was always incredibly motivational and genuine. It has been a while since I last talked to him, conversations dropped significantly after WoW Radios closure, but I never stopped looking up to someone who did so much for helping make being a big nerd playing video games more culturally accepted and helping people realize the talent some of these guys have, especially in the SC2 scene.
He is absolutely well deserving of being inducted into an esports hall of fame. Rest easy, John.
Edit: I suppose I should say before anything gets taken from this that I have not and never will condone or participate in the harassment of anyone, regardless of gender, race, sexuality, position in life, etc.
He is absolutely well deserving of being inducted into an esports hall of fame. Rest easy, John.
Edit: I suppose I should say before anything gets taken from this that I have not and never will condone or participate in the harassment of anyone, regardless of gender, race, sexuality, position in life, etc.
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I obviously don't follow everything he did as much as you did. I understand he made many enemies the past couple of years. However, even if my closet enemy would die today, my personal hate dies at the same time.
Thats just me though.
I mean yeah that sucks, but it is what defines him. if you don't want to be defined by being a notable supporter of a hate movement, don't do that.
I support ethics in gaming journalism, creative freedom and inclusiveness. You're trying to tell me it's wrong to do that?
Idc about Gamergate. Nazis can suck my dick. People who threaten other people can suck my dick. People who think one race or gender is better than any other can suck my dick.
I hope I'm clear on this.
Hes family dosn't like it when his gamergate history is brought up? Oh no the horror, who cares about the people the hategroup he supported harassed. His poor family might be reading ERA and get offended.
Oh shit, you are strait up a gamer gate dude huh
Nah
He was pretty disgusting when he was alive. And we will discuss that, whether he is alive or not. Especially if people continue to celebrate him. No one is wishing ill-will against his wife or his son.But you can't avoid who he was forever
to be clear: TB wasn't actually supporting ethics in gaming journalism in that tweet. nobody in gamergate was actually supporting ethics in gaming journalism. they just said they were as a flimsy cover to harass women.
I want to still listen to the Co-Optional podcast to support what he helped start with it, but honestly it's too hard for me to do so. I lost my mom to cancer about two years before he passed and I was hoping he'd recover from his. It's an awful disease he didn't deserve, nor anybody that needs to go through.
The amount of people still whimpering over the involvement he had with gamergate is getting ridiculous. The guy made mistakes in his life, everyone does, move on.
The amount of people still whimpering over the involvement he had with gamergate is getting ridiculous. The guy made mistakes in his life, everyone does, move on.
...you don't think harassing women to the point of them leaving the industry should define anyone????
I"m sure there are plenty of people in hate groups who have families.
I don't care. I especially don't care as a black man, a target of a great many of them
Don't be stupid. "Ethics in game journalism" was eventually used to mock Gamergate because of how ridiculous it was. "Creative freedom" meant that games should be immune from being criticized when it came to social issues, and saying he supported inclusion is a bald-faced lie.
That's not accurate. He whitewashed the whole movement as being about ethics long after it was clear that it was meant to push women out of the industry and framed the harassment as being done by a minority of Gamergate supporters. Whether he did it because he was stupid enough to fall for Gamergate in the first place and didn't want to admit it or if the whole thing was just a cynical ploy for views, it doesn't really matter. He made his bed, and if he actually admitted fault and took full responsibility I would like to see it.
People are still suffering as a result of his "mistakes", which he never expressed any regret for making.
When the cancer reared its ugly head and it became clear that his days were numbered, he spent a great many opportunities to reflect back on his past and apologize for some of the stupid things he had said (and let's face it, we've all been there at some point or another). Did he apologize for the Gamergate association specifically? I don't remember, but I seem to recall that he did.
TB spent too much of his time on self-reflection to the point where it caused him mental anguish that forced him to regularly go to therapy. He was someone who cared, and like all other human beings, he made mistakes that he only later saw the full scope of.
Easy to say if you're a person who either isn't still being affected by what came from Gamergate, or is totally lacking in empathy for those people.
See above and don't accuse me of something you don't know shit about.
Did you read it? He says:
- All GG threats and doxxing were the result of lone wolves rather than the purpose of the group.
- Repeats the lie of Quinn receiving favourable coverage because of her relationship and then says there was a conspiracy by the media to twist the narrative into one of misogyny in order to cover it up.
- SJW "yellow journalists" are the ones driving women out of the industry.
- Women being under attack in the industry is a false narrative.
Well he keeps being celebrated, so that's a problem.
As a black guy, a person who is often a target of such hate groups, being apart of a hate group is not just a " Mistake " and you phrasing that shit that was is... insulting to say the least.
Some of you people are genuine vultures. What do some of your comments accomplish, exactly, except for the visceral feel of taking a dump from on high on a person you seem to hate?
In my humble opinion, if you drop the whole "I support ethics in games journalism" and keep everything else, you'll be fine. That part was precisly the banner of GamerGate and we all know it was bullshit and people get instantly sick/triggered of hearing/reading that little catchphrase.
While ethics in any kind of journalism are expected, some people just make the ones in video games matter like it was coverage of the Middle East situation. Chill out, is just videogames.
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