You can, for example, find an immoral but sexy situation hot all you want, wouldn't magically make it not immoral just because your dick liked it.
Why do some people get very defensive when discussing social aspects of games?
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You can, for example, find an immoral but sexy situation hot all you want, wouldn't magically make it not immoral just because your dick liked it.
SJW is a common term used just about everywhere. Its up to anyone's frame of mind to associate it positively or not, I have nothing against the philosophy aslong as it doesn't interfere with the initial vision of any kind of work (be it controversial, shocking, etc) There's as much room for this to co exist with "holding" back. My personnal point of view is that if someone is too weak to digest something, said person should move on accordingly. Criticism is fair, but its done pretty much all the time toward pointless and dangerous point of views which are harming awareness of the self / freedom of opinion
There is simply way too much room given to the public opinion for just about everything nowadays, especially so since the explosion of social media labelisation and rework of vocabulary by psychologists which tend to soften a lot of things, for the wrong reasons
Of course this is further hindered regarding the society where X or Y individual is living, which is not helping the situation either.
I really do not approve censorship at all. Everyone has limits, its up to you to acknowledge them. If you look at countries such as norsk ones (norway, denmark etc), you ll notice a world of difference in mores compared to other countries where lets say, conservative views are the norm.
In short, its a kind of discussion that shouldn't be the meat of a recreationnal activity. We play to have fun and find things that either fascinate or create some strong reactions, in the realm of fantasy.
yes, i think it's completely unnecessary and if they want to change it, get into gaming, and change it. stop bitching.
People seem to be listening. Anita Sarkeesian had a noticeable impact on western devs. Many people cited that her videos were shared around in studios. The Last of Us and Uncharted 4 writer specifically cites that he was influenced by her. Many people now cite the Last of Us as a huge landmark gaming.
Even then, being critical of something, isn't dependent on devs listening.
are women simply choosing not to enter STEM fields?
Do you know of any specific sites that would be appropriate, and have a reasonably sized userbase? Or are you assuming some exist based on it being the internet, where practically everything exists (not suggesting that's a bad thing, just wondering if you can endorse any sites)?
Ok, so you find the ethics of people saying video games are currently filled with lots of sexism and racism to be purely correct?
Yet, you think that these ethically sound people are tonally off when they attempt to communicate their ethics?
Have I understood you correctly?
Also, it's really odd that you keep calling these purely-ethical people "prudes". Since that's quite a judgmental term in today's vernacular.
so, we can't complain on issues of gaming in a gaming forum, we just have to get into gaming and change it. Do you have this same opinion with lootboxes, for example?
Yes, you are. You said "gamers don't care". In this thread there are people who care. And it has clearly worked. Games like Horizon prove you otherwise, and didn't need sex to sell.
I'm glad to see you take a "live and let live" kind of mentality, because using that mentality, why shouldn't people have the right to criticize something they don't like? Are companies these all knowing entities that know why someone didn't purchase a game? Developers are not obligated to change anything. Plus it's a discussion board, this would be very boring if we "just played games" and didn't discuss them. If people don't like the discussion, they are more than welcome to take the same approach you imply with not purchasing a game, by simply "not joining the discussion".
Asides from the Choco designs, I wasn't even talking about the Rare blades. So, great statistics? Also lolicon bait is lolicon bait, no matter how low a percentile that is. I thought we all agreed that was the line.
you can complain about whatever you want on forums, just stop bitching about everything if you want the other side to care. and lmao at comparing lootboxes to race/gender in games.
Doesn't this ignore the rampant sexism in the tech industry? Or is this now suddenly a thing that doesn't exist because reasons?
No , it's a term used by alt-right fucks in order to dismiss and devaluate "liberal" point of views . Your usage of the term speaks volumes to your character and the intent of your posts throughout this thread.
Reducing the complaints on certain topics won't magically make people care about a topic.
i already said i don't care if people complain, but doing it constantly about every little thing isn't effective, and live and let live doesn't involve people constantly trying to get people to change something and shove their opinions down other's throats, and i'm coming from the other side, so i can tell you this is exactly what it comes across as whether you intend to or not. i'd rather just talk about the games themselves instead of trying to constantly create controversy or find something to be offended about.
i have no clue what choco or lolicon is dude, the initial question was about the blades. i'm not researching every aspect of xeno 2 just for one thread. i already looked up the blades originally brought into question.
Are you trying to make me feel bad by totally trying to pinpoint my political views while insulting me meanwhile ?
if you don't agree that's fine, I frankly don't care. Alt right is a kinda funny term to passive agressively point at me since I'm not even american btw
it wasn't a comparison, just surprised how X things are ok to discuss but others are unnecesary and garbage. Also surprised how sometimes is discussion and complains and others is "bitching".
Hmmm? Ubisoft is already doing a good turn on that front - they keep improving with every game. Hell, they're one of the *only* publishers who has a game with truly gender-neutral armor designs over an entire game with For Honor.
Even Activision added female characters to the Call of Duty games, and I wonder why that is? They're not even just there for eye-candy, either! Amazing how that works out.
That's not to say that this progress is "good enough". There are still too many games being released with cheesecake being shoved in unceremoniously without a second thought towards people who aren't into that sort of thing (which, btw, actually constitutes more than 50% of the population thanks to all those men who have something we refer to as "principles").
The fact that you repeatedly use the word "bitching" when talking about women who want to talk about said issues speaks volumes about you.
User was permanently banned: Alt-right rhetoric and posts completely dismissing social issues as "bitching" will not be tolerated.
it really will. i don't think you understand how annoyed the people on the other side are of you guys (by that i mean the people constantly getting offended by everything and complaining). if you only brought it up here and there for more severe instances, people would be more willing to listen, otherwise it's just noise.
it doesn't exist.
It's not effective for you. But I'm not gonna wait for you to care to discuss topics. Neither will minorities. These discussions are to bring attention to the topic, specially to publishers and developers, which has clearly worked to a certain point.
So I should only wait to criticize something when the Hitler equivalent of the topic comes along? No, thanks.
lootboxes are inherently bad for obvious reasons, race/gender in games and its discussions aren't. one is based on objective facts, while the other is subjective therefore bitching about one holds more weight bc everyone is pretty much on the same side, bc there are very clear reasons as to why lootboxes are trash.
this is the exact thing i'm talking about. i'm not even talking about just women, lmao. now this is truly projection. this is how you see something when there is nothing there. i truly find this hilarious.
'Because thinking about people that don't look like me is haaaaaaaaaaaaard' - cishet white dudes
So, you want us to have all the research ready on our side ready for this, but you get to not give a damn? Then why even bother coming into this topic in the first place?
1. CHOCO is an artist known for his hentai work and I guess Kantai Collection? I think the former is actually something he's credited more than the later. That's not really a mark against him but its his specific designs I have a problem with.
2. Lolicon is the sexualization of girls, and not just 16-year old girls, but 5-10 year old girls. Both of Choco's designs are slapping breasts on a 10-year old body then contorting it to show off her prepubescent ass and tits. Sorry, I'm not gonna be happy about that fact. No matter how small it is. I wasn't happy with Nowi in Awakening, I'm certainly not going to be happy with it here.
yeah, more women have been placed in games, and one side continues just playing games not caring who the protag is, while the other is still bitching (or should i say COMPLAINING to appease that one guy). the bitching never stops no matter what.
that'd be like saying an industry that primarily employs women is sexist against men, so dumb.
And others would like to talk about the sociology behind them. Why is it okay for you to talk, but not them?
Terrific contribution to this thread. The amount of "I just don't care and I'm tired of hearing it" crowd seems to lack perspective.
Well, sadly he's not entirely wrong as it's a perfectly common insult outside of GAF and Era when it comes to gaming communities alone. Frankly, I'm baffled by the fact that SJW-slinging people would even entertain the thought of mingling with the former GAF community.
No its not like that. Its saying an industry and society that actively pushes women away is sexist. Big difference.
the entire xeno 2 thing was about blades, that's why i looked it up and commented on it. you bringing up something completely different isn't going to make me all of a sudden go look it up when i was never even arguing it to begin with.
Yeah, because it's still the minority of games and because gaming culture clearly still has problems. If you don't like the "bitching" don't join the discussion, it's that simple.
i've already responded to this a million times. please read before commenting.
i don't think the tech industry actively pushes away women.
I'm fine tho, thank you. It's even been used not too long in a light way to describe a character from Marvel's Runaway on Hulu, in a well written review. Again I don't have anything against the philosophy behind it, but just like everything else, it can be used in ways that are wrong, and that's when I usually am bothered a little bit
the thread is literally asking for people like me, you do realize that right?
Do you work in tech? I'm asking because it seems you are confident in this fact so I would love to see some numbers here for this.
Well in Sweden we have had a few calls against sexism after the #metoo campaign.
So I guess you are...wrong :)
I feel like you don't really understand anything about the tech industry, including the video game industry if this is your entire takeaway from the situation. Why is it that you feel the tech industry primarily hires men?
That you conflate certain criticism with being "too weak" to digest the subject matter is interesting. Also something being for fun or "recreational" doesn't excuse it from criticism. Fiction and reality aren't separate entities; they've always been intertwined and have an effect on eachother
And let's be honest, SJW isn't a common term used everywhere. If that's your perspective, that says more about the places you browse, sites you visit, and whatnot.
Describe such industry that isn't also actually incredibly demeaning of women themselves.
The current available talent. No HR department dismisses a more skilled woman.
Do tell more.
Why Is Silicon Valley So Awful to Women?
Why are there so few women in tech? The truth behind the Google memo
Women in Tech Speak Frankly on Culture of Harassment
I really wonder if there's a female dominated industry, even nursing that is typically associated with women has men ascend more quickly through the ranks and positions.
And I'm not saying you can't participate, but I'm saying I don't understand your frustration, even calling criticisms "bitching", when you can simply ignore all other discussions about the topic.
Apologies for incorrectly using the word "prude", I was not aware of the sexual connotations and meant, roughly, a person who is excessively and demonstratively concerned with the matters of public morality.
But the issue here is essentially two-fold. Even if one were to ignore character attacks on people who happen to enjoy a certain product that are often embedded in such arguments under the guise of "just asking some questions" tone (something that is usually swiftly outed and dealt with as concern trolling in actual political topics), a number of individuals want "problematic" media censored or banned. It is only natural that those who enjoy those products the way they are get defensive. Expecting someone to just take the prospect of their toys being taken away lying down is naive.
But for the reasons that I've outlined above (namely, the opposite side being logically and ethically correct for the most part) arguing directly is a no-go, so people opt to feign ignorance of the underlying socio-political issues altogether. After all, being ignorant is that much better than being knowingly "evil" from an image standpoint.
Huh, so I think i'm in the twilight zone now that i've been told that sexism doesnt exist in the game industry..... There's the hot take post of the day.
Uhh, yea, let's not ignore the sexism issues in tech, shall we?
Was literally about to go find some links. Thanks for saving me the trouble.
I'm pretty sure I saw some recently specifically looking into the video games industry.
I never even brought up Xenoblade 2 which is why I was asking if you are even paying attention to who you are quoting. To answer you're question I'm not bothered by it, just disappointed that it's the same old anime designs as ever. I mean, can't designers give her an awesome gambeson, with some mail for extra protection, and some cool boots? Maybe some nice spaulders and matching pauldrons. A curiass as well, to protect her chest. A helmet is optional, I guess... gotta know it's her after all. If a character is going into battle, let them look like it.