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XSX

Member
Oct 31, 2017
2,173
Lame that the dine and dasher took the time to log in and blank out their twitter picture but didn't delete the phone numbers/location. Total asshole move.
 
Oct 27, 2017
11,537
Bandung Indonesia
I believe the rush to admonish people for having an initial reaction is part of the backlash, yes. Sue me.

You're not being fair, especially for people like me who participated in this thread later, and you can independently claim that this woman is being treated and fired unfairly without being burdened with accusation that hidden intentions are involved.

Glad she was offered her job back but hopefully she finds something better

Oh, they offered her job back? Huh.

Edit: just saw the tweet above.

I wouldn't take it if I am her though, unless she's desperate about money or something, seeing how the management has shown that they're so willing to throw her under the bus.
 

FaceHugger

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
13,949
USA
I hope they gave her a raise, and train their own damn selves not to jump the gun and fall for out of context videos in the future, and instead do at least an hour of research into the claims first.

You'd think this country would have learned their lesson after James O'Keefe / Project Veritas actually got Congress to dissolve ACORN by unfunding them with absurd, heavily edited videos showing people speaking out of context and driving a false narrative.
 

Nepenthe

When the music hits, you feel no pain.
Administrator
Oct 25, 2017
20,912
You're not being fair, especially for people like me who participated in this thread later, and you can independently claim that this woman is being treated and fired unfairly without being burdened with accusation that hidden intentions are involved.

The reason we're even communicating directly to each other right now is because you initially quoted a post I made wherein about 95% of it is an explanation to someone else about the racist implications of the backlash towards initial responders in this thread post-tweet. Note that those tweets are absolutely essential to understanding the basic story, both how it began and how it completely flipped. You can't possibly be unaware of all of the story's major details at this point if you're participating in earnest, and subsequently you cannot wave away the fact that there is already an ongoing context for this thread's direction simply because you finally decided to respond ten pages in. Besides, I already explained that it's totally possible to both empathize with the woman without stepping on the toes of black people who had a reaction to the story based in the sociopolitics of blackness in America, not because we like "outraging for the sake of outrage." There is a reason for the cynicism, and frankly I don't care how unfair people find the "burden" of that cynicism.
 
Oct 27, 2017
11,537
Bandung Indonesia
The reason we're even communicating directly to each other right now is because you initially quoted a post I made wherein about 95% of it is an explanation to someone else about the racist implications of the backlash towards initial responders in this thread post-tweet. Note that those tweets are absolutely essential to understanding the basic story, both how it began and how it completely flipped. You can't possibly be unaware of all of the story's major details at this point if you're participating in earnest, and subsequently you cannot wave away the fact that there is already an ongoing context for this thread's direction simply because you finally decided to respond ten pages in. Besides, I already explained that it's totally possible to both empathize with the woman without stepping on the toes of black people who had a reaction to the story based in the sociopolitics of blackness in America, not because we like "outraging for the sake of outrage." There is a reason for the cynicism, and frankly I don't care how unfair people find the "burden" of that cynicism.

Okay then, if you say it so.
 

Ra

Rap Genius
Moderator
Oct 27, 2017
12,270
Dark Space
People saying "I wouldn't take the job back" should go to work tomorrow and quit the jobs they've worked hard to secure,and jump back into today's job market.

That sounds really tough when you're typing it.

This makes me happy. Hopefully this didn't disrupt her life too much she finds better opportunities than working at Chipotle soon.

One thing I don't understand is that the video got 4 million views, but only the tweet showing the guys bragging about stealing from Chipotle only got like 100 views. So basically no one knows she was at least justified about them frequently getting food and pretending to be unable to pay for it relative to the people that still think she was denying them service for being racist so wouldn't this cause another backlash on Chipotle from the vast majority of people who only saw the initial video?
The tweets were deleted but someone managed to screenshot them before that happened, that's why the view count is so low. The screenshots themselves have been widely circulated, so I doubt anyone finding this story won't do so by a news site that doesn't have the full story.
 

hikarutilmitt

"This guy are sick"
Member
Dec 16, 2017
11,493
I'm wondering what company will be the first one brave enough to not publicly post/reprimand/fire an employee based on a knee-jerk social media confrontation. Unfortunately with the way things have been lately, what happened here wasn't unexpected, though the outcome certainly seems to have been.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,645
People saying "I wouldn't take the job back" should go to work tomorrow and quit the jobs they've worked hard to secure,and jump back into today's job market.

That sounds really tough when you're typing it.


The tweets were deleted but someone managed to screenshot them before that happened, that's why the view count is so low. The screenshots themselves have been widely circulated, so I doubt anyone finding this story won't do so by a news site that doesn't have the full story.
Last time I saw the screenshot tweet it had like 100 retweets. Like the one in the OP 26 Retweets, 119 likes. Far cry from 4 million.
 

Rayne

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,634


This is good. I really hope news runs the clarification.

And once again fuck those lying assholes trying to throw someone else under the bus.

"I'm disappointed in that whole crew for not stepping up and instead accusing us of something we haven't done." http://www.startribune.com/chipotle...r-retrains-staff-after-viral-video/500733081/

pretty bold for this asshole to post about dining and dashing on his public twitter then lie like this. what a punk.

Holy shit. I need someone to expose him on the news.
 

RedMercury

Blue Venus
Member
Dec 24, 2017
17,722
I'm wondering what company will be the first one brave enough to not publicly post/reprimand/fire an employee based on a knee-jerk social media confrontation. Unfortunately with the way things have been lately, what happened here wasn't unexpected, though the outcome certainly seems to have been.
Refuse to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple and millions will stand up for you no matter the social media fallout

Also, it appears she is taking donations now, and at least some of the money is coming from the type you would expect, with such gems as:

Aren't you tired of everything being about race?

$50 from that guy, and

I was told that #BlackLivesMatter. Then why do so many keep acting like this, and why do so many others defend this behavior?

But she could only spare a fiver.
 
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Zornack

Member
Oct 29, 2017
1,134
Now I'm waiting for the reveal that she was in on the whole thing and that it was just a ruse to get a highly publicized gofundme.
 

A Robot

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
433
It's not really about defending the corporation. I feel like they are trying to convince themselves that their original reaction to the case was justified.

I think Myradeer put it nicely here:
Drawing broad generalizations and assumptions from these incidents makes it extremely difficult to take back one's argument in accordance to new facts, because then the assumption will be that you're not just changing your opinion on these individials but also on the other broad subjects you previously associated it with.
 

Akira86

Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,605
It's not really about defending the corporation. I feel like they are trying to convince themselves that their original reaction to the case was justified.

I think Myradeer put it nicely here:
I mean, he's like, right there and you can ask him if that's his reason and he will likely tell you no. but by all means continue to theorize.
 
Oct 30, 2017
3,324
Deny the job back, win your suit. Make an example out of the company for being too quick to take action without having any real data whatsoever.
 

Monkey D.

Banned
Oct 31, 2017
2,352
What a twist !

why would you brag about steeling on social media.

Hope she sues the hell out of chipotle. Also sue that guy for defamation.
 

Crayon

Member
Oct 26, 2017
15,580
They fired her as an offering to avoid controversy. The company policy and eveything is pretense. Part of the reason why working jobs like this tends to suck.

Remember that thread last week about why people hate work?
 

Royce

Member
Oct 27, 2017
636
Europe
What did her deleted tweet say? It'd be good if users here could also copy paste (or screen capture) any important social media posts in case they disappear.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,645
OP needs a summary, I'm confused about this whole thing.
What's confusing?

1. A guy and four friends have a history of abusing Chipotle's policy of letting people walk away with food if they forget their money once across several Chipotle locations for years. They also like to steal bottles of Tobasco sauce.
2. The manager at one location recognized them having done this at their location the previous night and asks for proof of payment before they make their food after previously not having money.
3. Upset at being caught and called out, they record a video crying wolf accusing her of racism. The video out of context puts the manager in an extremely bad light, especially when staff actually start helping actual customers and ignoring the dine and dashers.
4. They upload the video to twitter. Since the video out of context looks extremely bad, it blows up to 4+ million views and people are outraged at how they were treated.
5. Manager is immediately fired. The initial reason given is that she failed to "Treat customers fairly and with respect."
6. The guy posted the video to the same twitter account where he bragged about dining and dashing and stealing from Chipotle for years. Not long after she was fired people started finding all these tweets and screencapping them.
7. It's clear the manager was telling the truth about these guys not paying for food despite being able to afford it. Social media turns on the five guys for crying wolf and making the manager look like a racist unjustifiably and they get roasted hard on twitter.
8. Chipotle change their stated reasoning for firing her from "Failing to treat customer fairly and with respect" to "Violated policy about customers ordering food before paying."
9. After enough pressure, Chipotle offers the manager her job back, maybe. The manager posted this as a tweet before deleting tweet.

What did her deleted tweet say? It'd be good if users here could also copy paste (or screen capture) any important social media posts in case they disappear.
It said she got a call from the head of communications offering her job back.
 

Kite

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
670
And just think, if the kids weren't idiots and openly bragged about shoplifting on social media the manager would be fired and have had her life ruined and likely doxxed.
 

FF Seraphim

Member
Oct 26, 2017
13,798
Tokyo
Chipotle probably realized they fucked up and offered her job back. What state did this happen in? She may be getting a huge payday.
 

Dream Machine

Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,085
Refuse to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple and millions will stand up for you no matter the social media fallout

Also, it appears she is taking donations now, and at least some of the money is coming from the type you would expect, with such gems as:



$50 from that guy, and



But she could only spare a fiver.
I wonder why those guys are making it about race still.
I won't blame someone for not being unflinchingly noble and accepting no money because they can't verify the intentions of everyone giving it to them after they've been fired and are likely about to go to court with a huge corporation over it.
 

Nepenthe

When the music hits, you feel no pain.
Administrator
Oct 25, 2017
20,912
I'm not talking about the manager. I'm talking about the donors.
 
Oct 28, 2017
1,469
And just think, if the kids weren't idiots and openly bragged about shoplifting on social media the manager would be fired and have had her life ruined and likely doxxed.

And this is why we need to stop with this outrage culture nonsense. Just go back to the first few pages and read some of the reactions from people, it is totally disgusting what people were projecting onto her.
 

Tigress

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,173
Washington
I might have missed a post about it in this thread showing Chipotle's specific policies so excuse this post if someone already did.

But basically, most corporations do NOT want to be held responsible for their managers trying to go above and beyond, that's how liabilities are created. It's why even if you're a guard, stores will tell you to just call the police and not get involved. If you follow someone out the building and they stab you? The business will be liable. If that happens to the police? Not their problem.

For example, had the manager done what she is expected to do, we wouldn't even had this thread, and Chipotle wouldn't be in the shitstorm that they are in. Would a couple of assholes have gotten free meals again? Sure. But I guarantee you that corporate would rather choose that over the entire PR nightmare.

Don't get me wrong, it sucks for the manager (And I think she should get her job back), and capitalism gonna capitalism, but if you don't want to follow the policies of your work (And believe me, I understand working under some shit policies) then it's either time to start looking for another job or understand that you're going to lose your current one eventually.

Here's the thing. Retail jobs will make policies like this where you are supposed to never assume it is a thief, and then they will punish the store if too much thievery happens. Those policies are there to throw the employee under the bus if something goes wrong to stop a thief. They still want you to stop the thief somehow. Just if you get in trouble for it, fuck you.

It's the fun of living in a country that gives most of the power to the employers and very little to employees.
 

i-hate-u

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,374
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^^ Not applicable to this type of story, but this here is a must for everyone
 
Oct 27, 2017
5,354
Fuck social media, getting sick of it.

I imagine being at my old retail job, being harassed by some douchey customer and then getting my job terminated on top of it because of some out of context tweets or videos and a million dumbasses ganging up on me online because I did my job.

We're getting stupider by the minute.
 

Dusktildawn48

Chicken Chaser
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,533
St. Louis
That's what it looks like.

I am a black man, and I'm gonna say this is one of those rare instances where I think I might have to look into it more. Only because she doesn't seem like the stereotypical racist right off the bat.

And because something about his caption looks like bait to me. Idk, this one just seems off.
Post from page 1, mad respect man.
 

Deleted member 9306

Self-requested temporary ban
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
962
Ugh, like the (VERY FEW) women who lie about being raped, I can't fucking stand it when Black people make a fucking mockery of some shit that actually still happens to us in 2018.