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greepoman · Dec 5, 2017

Schreckstoff said:
that was my reasoning on the latter, is a card drawn better on average than a 2/2 body attached? I'd say no and argent protector has never seen play for as long as I mained paladin.

There's definitely decks that prefer draw but those decks would probably play an unconditional draw card.

The other thing about why a divine shield buff is overrated is cause you only think about the ideal case where you stick a minion and get the perfect trade. There's gonna be a lot of cases where you stick a good minion then just end up trading into a Void Walker or something like that.

Soulstoner · Dec 5, 2017

Guedezilla said:
How long does the preorder stay up?
Still kinda on the fence to grab it

I think you're safe until Thursday morning when the game hits maintenance mode.

zoukka · Dec 5, 2017

I think all classes are 400-500 wins for me lol.

Papercuts · Dec 5, 2017

greepoman said:
I was high on these two at first but after listening to reviews I'm much more tempered. Succeptible to any deck that clears all your minions every turn. Doesn't help enough against other control decks and the lynessa with just steed and heroism isn't as strong as you think. Heroism is good still and might be in every paladin deck but if it were that overpowered argent protector would see play.

I think Lynessa with those two is super good personally, especially seeing how it works on stream to recast and get the draw effect. A 7 mana 3/7 taunt wth divine shield, death rattled into a 2/6 AND cycles itself is fantastic. Pally is good at having a lot of silence targets, so people could try to save it for her but that means your spikeridge steeds are getting through along with cards like tirion. I don't think it singlehandedly will crush matches but the cycle effect makes it pretty easy to slot anyway.

Pally's biggest issue is going to be the same as usual, Priest. They're clearly getting good cards and are still a driving force for the meta, and a slower pally deck is painful against them. So yeah, it still may not work but I do think Lynessa is extremely good.

SnugTeam6 · Dec 5, 2017

I predict that Lynessa will be very good in a Quest Paladin deck, and push the archetype to be viable. Many decks nowadays only run a single silence, which will be used on either Lynessa or Galvadon, nevermind the other minions that will be getting continuously buffed. As for priest, they can only deal with so many buffs, right? Even if you get Psychic Screamed, you can still drop Lynessa or Galvadon again in the late game (which you're in given you dropped them earlier).

I'm not sure it'll be a top tier deck, but adding another big ol' win condition minion spreads out your chances of plopping down a winion and having it last to your next turn. Who knows!

greepoman · Dec 5, 2017

We should all post our class wins (maybe just top 3) and sticky it so we can pre-judge and stereotype each other appropriately.

Personally:
1) Rogue - 2700 wins
2) Warrior - 2500
3) Druid - 700

Most of those rogue wins are pre-ungoro too lol. Hopefully I'm not the only one who has wasted so much time in a silly children's card game.

Wiibomb · Dec 5, 2017

I should have a lot of wins, but since I totally hate ranked play I don't have meaningful numbers of any class. I have my warrior still on 380 wins, the closest class I have to gold

Mobius and Pet Octopus · Dec 5, 2017

The 2 mana shield + draw... here is the thing I think of. Drawing a card is actually better than putting a 2/2 on board in a lot of situations, for a lot of decks. Arguably the argent protector has seen less play than it should have potentially. But this is more about value vs tempo. Drawing an extra card is much higher impact than just a 2/2 most of the time.

I think people might misuse this card though, 2 mana to draw a card is not good. You really want to get value out of the shield. Same with power word shield tbh, but since this costs 2 you don't want to throw it out there just to cycle as often. You'll definitely want to be playing it on a minion that can attack to either trade up or protect it's remaining health.

QFNS · Dec 5, 2017

Thanks again to gutshot for making the rating spreadsheet. Always fun to see what other folks think of all the cards.

It is always interesting to me to see which cards everyone has different opinions on. At the time I was looking, it looked like Psychic Probe has the most diverse set of opinions, I think I rated it a 3, but it seems a good number of people felt that it was both 2 and 4 worthy. Very interesting!

I look forward to finding out how wrong I am about a bunch of these cards in the near future.

Papercuts · Dec 5, 2017

That 2 mana scorpion might actually be legit in pally also. Kills 1 attack minions goes great with aldor and might push humility to make it in some lists. I had decent success before with slower pally lists using curator and kodo, and this is waaaay more mana efficient.

Soulstoner · Dec 5, 2017

Any fellow Canadians have a lead on how to get the cheapest packs? I used to use the Google Play store for 40 packs @ $49.99 CAD, but they seem to have closed that loophole.

Famicom · Dec 5, 2017

I've been playing since open beta and I don't have any class at 500 wins. I don't think I have any class at 300 wins. Still have four classes that aren't even level 60 yet.

Still get all those dailies though.

hypertails · Dec 5, 2017

I've got Warrior, mage, shaman, paladin and priest at 500+ wins, with warlock at ~450 and rogue at ~400. I haven't hit level 60 with druid or hunter yet. Guess which classes I don't like playing.

BabyMurloc · Dec 5, 2017

The more I learn of Priest, the worse I feel it'll be once K&C hits. It'll dominate like Marvel did in MTG, except no bans.

edit: on the good news front, Spirit Echo is pretty damn great in evolve token shaman. Gives a fighting chance against the priests of the world.

Peleo · Dec 5, 2017

Just completed the survey, looking forward to coming back to it in the future.

Deleted member 4367 · Dec 5, 2017

I don't care about a single legendary in the new set. That doesn't bode well for my interest level going forward.

Deleted member 733 · Dec 5, 2017

Yaboosh said:
I don't care about a single legendary in the new set. That doesn't bode well for my interest level going forward.

They should add trading so you can give me your dust! :P

I'm not sure if I will preorder future expansions, but I preordered this one.

Wiibomb · Dec 5, 2017

Yaboosh said:
I don't care about a single legendary in the new set. That doesn't bode well for my interest level going forward.

I'm in a similar position, there are very few legendaries I remotely care about.

I'm actually not going to spend all my gold on this expansion because I think I won't even need many legs this time.

squidyj · Dec 5, 2017

Carthago Delenda Est said:
Psychic Scream - This card will not see play. It's expensive and while it clears the board, it gives everything back to your opponent in their deck. Since Priest is going to be running a bunch of big minions that are pretty decent, giving them to your opponent in the late game will likely see them be excellent top decks for your opponent. All this will do is stall the game and, at 7 mana, just give your opponent a chance to fill the board again. It's enough to put aggro to bed, but it's not enough for other archetypes. Priest doesn't need this. Drakefire Potion is much better.

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Kingsbane - Overrated. Rogue doesn't have the cards to do fatigue matchups generally, and that's really where this belongs. It's good in theory, but really it's not wonderful. The rogue card that searches a weapon isn't enough to make this viable. You'd need to use a lot of buffs on it and see it coming back multiple times. I think you'd lose before that happens in most matchups.

hottest takes.

BananasWithGuns · Dec 5, 2017

Patch should drop today, no?

rahji · Dec 5, 2017

Ok I voted in the survey. Really interesting what you guys think. I love the votings on psychic scream.

Majiebeast · Dec 5, 2017

The Darkness is the most intresting legendary in this set and i hope its good.

SnugTeam6 · Dec 5, 2017

BananasWithGuns said:
Patch should drop today, no?

Historically it's always dropped two days before. Wondering what's going on. I wanna see those goldens!

manhack · Dec 5, 2017

Yeah i was expecting the patch today. I guess there was an issue...

Wiibomb · Dec 5, 2017

it's weird we haven't seen the patch...

probably the reason why we always see a repeated brawl on the week of release.

FeD · Dec 5, 2017

Lynessa will be a definite golden craft for me, and then I'll hate myself for playing pally because priest gets a bunch of overtuned cards (again).

Mobius and Pet Octopus · Dec 5, 2017

Lynessa is a neat idea, not sure if this really helps paladin enough though I like the idea of a 7 mana 3/7 divine shield taunt draw a card with deathrattle summon a 2/6 taunt.

Maybe buff paladin does have a glimmer of hope.

QFNS · Dec 5, 2017

I wonder if they are holding the patch so that the mobile versions will actually go up at the same time instead of a day or two later like in the past.

Carthago Delenda Est · Dec 5, 2017

squidyj said:
hottest takes.

Sorry for trying to generate some discussion.

FeD · Dec 5, 2017

Papercuts said:
That 2 mana scorpion might actually be legit in pally also. Kills 1 attack minions goes great with aldor and might push humility to make it in some lists. I had decent success before with slower pally lists using curator and kodo, and this is waaaay more mana efficient.

Yeah it looks pretty decent, and you can target the effect. It is a mech though so you can't fetch it with Curator.

On another note I do think OTK Pally might have a chance now because it has enough draw to support it consistently.

Mobius and Pet Octopus · Dec 5, 2017

FeD said:
Yeah it looks pretty decent, and you can target the effect. It is a mech though so you can't fetch it with Curator.

On another note I do think OTK Pally might have a chance now because it has enough draw to support it consistently.

Maybe. I found that some decks never have to play spells once that bully hits the board tho lol. Too bad it didn't get the coin generating card, or probably a good thing there.

QFNS · Dec 5, 2017

Carthago Delenda Est said:
Sorry for trying to generate some discussion.

Don't apologize for voicing your hot takes.

Hot Takes make the hearthstone world go round.

fertygo · Dec 5, 2017

Here is my hot take

Just play Jade Druid with Arcane Tyrant. Boom busted deck right there.

Btw no way Psychic Scream not see play. Its maybe only Raza Priest that play it but Raza Priest made that card broken

Raza Priest gonna play cone of cold if they can but instead they got ultimate AoE card so no way they not play it.

Schreckstoff · Dec 5, 2017

Raza Priest has mostly trash for minions.

sibarraz · Dec 5, 2017

My only wish is that a good deck will only require some cheap cards that fit well into an existing deck

BabyMurloc · Dec 5, 2017

Warlock seems pretty good with Kobold Librarian and the 2/4 taunter.

BananasWithGuns · Dec 5, 2017

Just throwing this out there, I'm at 23/30 cards and not sure what else to add. Trying to avoid more beasts to make the Bowmen super potent.

http://www.hearthpwn.com/deckbuilde...24:1;61829:2;62867:2;62891:2;73325:2;77020:2;

Thought about Doomsayers, maybe some sort of secret package with Putricide. Probably need some more spells in there somewhere too. Obviously the weakness is going to be early game and against aggro.

squidyj · Dec 5, 2017

BananasWithGuns said:
Just throwing this out there, I'm at 23/30 cards and not sure what else to add. Trying to avoid more beasts to make the Bowmen super potent.

http://www.hearthpwn.com/deckbuilde...24:1;61829:2;62867:2;62891:2;73325:2;77020:2;

Thought about Doomsayers, maybe some sort of secret package with Putricide. Probably need some more spells in there somewhere too. Obviously the weakness is going to be early game and against aggro.

candleshot? i dunno, i think you just get run over with this deck.

Deleted member 1041 · Dec 5, 2017

I kinda love DK Valeera? Both as a concept and as aesthetically designed as she is.

I just took down a 30 HP mage in one turn. I had 2 arcane golems, a fireball in my hand(From archmage no less), and I shadow of madness'd their street trickster(...I forgot where I got shadow of madness from).

So I fireball, shadow fireball, and attack with both golems. It felt good.

Grief.exe · Dec 5, 2017

Is there a way to export a deck on Hearthpwn to text so I can post here?

fertygo · Dec 5, 2017

Schreckstoff said:
Raza Priest has mostly trash for minions.

Even Raza itself is trash as minion on board

Mobius and Pet Octopus · Dec 5, 2017

when your opponent draws your novice, you're making them pay 2 mana to get a real card.

anyprophet · Dec 5, 2017

Grief.exe said:
Is there a way to export a deck on Hearthpwn to text so I can post here?

there's a dropdown box next to export

it produces this:

kobolds miracle rogue

Deleted member 9100 · Dec 5, 2017

Currently sitting at 8,600 gold, 45,000 dust and I've pre-ordered for the first time ever. I think I'm ready for Thursday!

Echoing what's been said above I'm not sure which Legendaries will be the go to in the new set. Normally I just play nothing but arena for the first two weeks until the meta gets settled. I love slowly learning all the new cards as I see them played in arena.

Hycran · Dec 5, 2017

I quit hearthstone about a month ago and have been following all of the videos and card reveals and, quite frankly, there isn't much to get me interested in coming back to the game. I can see a lot of interesting tools to slow down the meta and some unique interactions, but it's going to be more of the same, a few decks are going to sky rocket to the top and a lot of the fun cards will become memes.

It's a pity because the dungeon mode seems really cool, but I can't bring myself to get into the machine again, playing everyday and completing quests and grinding ladder. Obviously I hope everyone that wants to play has fun, but if you're considering quitting, now is as good a time as ever.

Mobius and Pet Octopus · Dec 5, 2017

Hycran said:
now is as good a time as ever.

This is such an odd thing to say on the cusp of an expansion that also features free content that imo looks really good.

QFNS · Dec 5, 2017

Hycran said:
I quit hearthstone about a month ago and have been following all of the videos and card reveals and, quite frankly, there isn't much to get me interested in coming back to the game. I can see a lot of interesting tools to slow down the meta and some unique interactions, but it's going to be more of the same, a few decks are going to sky rocket to the top and a lot of the fun cards will become memes.

It's a pity because the dungeon mode seems really cool, but I can't bring myself to get into the machine again, playing everyday and completing quests and grinding ladder. Obviously I hope everyone that wants to play has fun, but if you're considering quitting, now is as good a time as ever.

Worth noting that the Dungeon Run stuff is completely divorced from your collection or needing to do quests. It's about as close to a pure fun mode as Hearthstone has ever had.

fertygo · Dec 5, 2017

I'm not preordering so I'm gonna be a living proof oh hearthstone became really too expensive or not if not catching up with real money

I also only have 2000 dust atm. So its look kinda bleak with the amount of good epic revealed

But at same time most leggies doesnt look neccessary.

Deleted member 1041 · Dec 5, 2017

Look at this shit! It's amazing. I forced him to use anduin before I used any of my golems, had enough removal to deal with his biggest threats, managed to heal up from 12 HP thanks to stealing his fat priest and another card that gave 5 HP, even though he got Velen he was forced to use those attacks to kill questing explorers. So good.

Mobius and Pet Octopus · Dec 5, 2017

BreezyLimbo said:
Look at this shit! It's amazing. I forced him to use anduin before I used any of my golems, had enough removal to deal with his biggest threats, managed to heal up from 12 HP thanks to stealing his fat priest and another card that gave 5 HP, even though he got Velen he was forced to use those attacks to kill questing explorers. So good.

I assume you run questings? That is one card that makes miracle rogue favored vs raza I think. Ideally the meta is slow enough for questings.

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