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Alek

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Oct 28, 2017
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It's completely normal for her to want that. Its a question of polarities, no more no less. Actually that's kind of cool that she's bringing up her boundaries straight

If you re more of the submissive dude taking care of a girl, then date a more dominant lady who'll be happy to oblige (firemen, lawyers, police force etc). Otherwise you ll just be the meek guy who doesn't know what he wants ... and no lady ever want to deal with that

If that's bothering you just stop dating her immediately tho, that ll save her some false hopes

It's not about being dominant, or not, really. With my previous partners I was definitely the dominant person in our relationship, but at the same time we felt equal.

Also, women I've been with before tend to be feminists, which I think is good - I tend to connect progressiveness with intelligence (as does emprical research) - so this is just a little different for me. I don't think a woman needs to be a lawyer, fireman, police officer etc to feel like she's equal to a man. Most women I know aren't like this girl at all. Perhaps I just hang out with hipsters and whatnot, but it's just not what I'm used to. I don't have an issue with it, I'm just not used to it.

If she specifically said she wants to be a good housewife to her husband, or something like that involving gender roles, then maybe? But people that just start dating having one cook for the other isn't all that uncommon in general. We recommend it plenty of times when it's the guy asking what to do, after all :p

As it happens, that's near enough what she's said.

She also rationalised it as women being biologically designed to look after the home, have children, etc.

It doesn't really bother me if that's what she wants, but I would never want to be the guy that made or contributed to a woman feeling like that.
 
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One thing I guess I'm not too fond of with this girl I'm seeing is that she's really into gender roles. She wants to cook, clean and look after her partner, and she expects her partner to be dominant, and generally control her to some degree.

It's not altogether uncommon that I meet girls like that, though they don't tend to express those feelings unless you become quite close. Nevertheless, I'm not certain it's something I'm entirely comfortable with. I've only been out with her twice and she's already offered to come round to my house and cook on more than one occasion - but she says that's just how she shows she cares.

Am I wrong to be a little unsettled by that?
It would be the bolded part that would make me unsettled. I think when it comes to gender roles and what's expected of men in dating or any relationship, this is one of the main things I have a lot of trouble with and would be uncomfortable doing.
 
Nothing you wrote suggested in any way she was leading you on.
You are right, i should have added more clearly that i did like her and she was giving those signals aswell. But that was before i offered her to just have a night out with a group of friends, that is.

She never lead you on, come the fuck on dude.
See above.

Yeah maybe I missed something but like, I never got the impression this girl ever implied she liked him??? Nor did they go on a date. How do you get lead on when there was never an impression given that you had a chance?
She does like me, just not in that way.

If thats how you re putting a spin on it you got some ego problems, dude
Thanks for the compliment, i guess. Just because i forgot to add this in (I wrote this way too quickly, was in a hurry, which is my mistake and my mistake only) doesnt mean you have to assume these things.

How can she lead you on when you re not even offering a date, thus no romantic prospect at all ? that's a little fucked up
See the reply to Alwaysbacon, but to add to this: When i suggested to hang out with a group of friends, she did think i was offering a date. Hope that makes it clear.
 

Krauser Kat

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Oct 27, 2017
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It would be the bolded part that would make me unsettled. I think when it comes to gender roles and what's expected of men in dating or any relationship, this is one of the main things I have a lot of trouble with and would be uncomfortable doing.

Through all of my dating and dates. When the other person wants someone dominant, all i means have an opinion when shit matters. Dont try and agree all the time. Pick a fucking restaurant. Want to have sex. Hold her down a bit. Make plans. Be here, at this time on this day.

If a girl actually liked you Redneckerz she would have even gone to the group outing just to be by you. This was always a non-starter, move on and do your thing.
 

Krauser Kat

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Oct 27, 2017
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I dont think any of us are being hostile to you. All we can do is assume. We are just commenting on your situation with experiences we have had in the past.

In almost every experience i have with asking someone out. If they are into it they either happily agree, or give an excuse but with sadness that they cant make it.

The way i read the situation is.
You feel there is a connection brewing.
You ask her on a group outing.
She responds with i like being single. She knows you only asked her out to be closer to her to make progress on your "connection"

But welcome to datingera, we will always be here to cheerlead your success and efforts and help you be the best person you can be, while we all walk down this crazy fucking journey of dating in 2017.


Side note. Im 90% sure the thing i am in now is going to be a big deal and will have a girlfriend for a while. so thats neat.
 

HammerFace

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Oct 25, 2017
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Side note. Im 90% sure the thing i am in now is going to be a big deal and will have a girlfriend for a while. so thats neat.

Hey congrats!!

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Nov 17, 2017
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Through all of my dating and dates. When the other person wants someone dominant, all i means have an opinion when shit matters. Dont try and agree all the time. Pick a fucking restaurant. Want to have sex. Hold her down a bit. Make plans. Be here, at this time on this day.
If that's all it means then I don't really have an issue with that. Planning the date as far as place and time, having your own opinions and expressing what you want; I see those types of things as assertive which I think is different than being dominant or what Chrono said "to control them to some degree." I think both people in a dating scenario can be equally assertive but not equally dominant.
 

Gotdatmoney

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Oct 28, 2017
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She does like me, just not in that way.

Well I mean this is dating era. Not friendship era. So I think the implication I was making was that she did give any signs she wanted a relationship with you.

But like to put it plainly if you want a date you just ask for it. If you aren't getting a fuck yes then its basically a no.
 

Megalosaro

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Oct 26, 2017
431
Southern California
My girlfriend said something that has me slightly unnerved.

I was in a great mood especially after Saturday. But then Sunday night we met up and we were just talking. She at one point said something "I don't ever feel aroused and I get confused because I know I should." She also mentioned that she is attracted to my personality, not because of my appearance." She also mentioned that she never really gets in the mood for sex, but does so because she feels I'm expecting it.

We weren't fighting, just sort of hanging out. Like I know she loves me, but now I'm wondering if she desires me. I don't think so. Too be honest, it's something I've wondered for a while but surpressed because I wrote it off as insecurity. But I've never felt that sexual urgency from her. I've always had to initate. The times we do have sex, which is about twice a month, it's always like "ok.. fine" vibes from her. But to hear her say it out loud... now I'm confused.

I know she loves spending time with me, and stuff. But I don't think she thinks of me as a viable sexual partner. And it's probably my fault. I have no doubt that she wants to be my girlfriend. But I honestly think she'd be happy if we were in a nonsexual relationship.
 

Krauser Kat

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Oct 27, 2017
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1. She might not be a sexual person
2. birth control and anti-depressants fuck with libido.
3. Your problems are probably compounding all of this.
4. Really start exploring sexual avenues, toys, kinks and oral to make her get off. if you havent already.
5. if what she said hurt you. Talk about it. You really need to talk about.
6. Talk about it.
 

andrew

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Oct 25, 2017
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My girlfriend said something that has me slightly unnerved.

I was in a great mood especially after Saturday. But then Sunday night we met up and we were just talking. She at one point said something "I don't ever feel aroused and I get confused because I know I should." She also mentioned that she is attracted to my personality, not because of my appearance." She also mentioned that she never really gets in the mood for sex, but does so because she feels I'm expecting it.

We weren't fighting, just sort of hanging out. Like I know she loves me, but now I'm wondering if she desires me. I don't think so. Too be honest, it's something I've wondered for a while but surpressed because I wrote it off as insecurity. But I've never felt that sexual urgency from her. I've always had to initate. The times we do have sex, which is about twice a month, it's always like "ok.. fine" vibes from her. But to hear her say it out loud... now I'm confused.

I know she loves spending time with me, and stuff. But I don't think she thinks of me as a viable sexual partner. And it's probably my fault. I have no doubt that she wants to be my girlfriend. But I honestly think she'd be happy if we were in a nonsexual relationship.
The quote you provided and the situations you've described make it sound more like she was admitting to being on the asexuality spectrum, not that she's specifically not attracted to you. I would talk about it more and read resources like AVEN together.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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1. She might not be a sexual person
2. birth control and anti-depressants fuck with libido.
3. Your problems are probably compounding all of this.
4. Really start exploring sexual avenues, toys, kinks and oral to make her get off. if you havent already.
5. if what she said hurt you. Talk about it. You really need to talk about.
6. Talk about it.

All of this, so much. I don't have a super high libido due to a variety of reasons (past abuse, anti-depressants and a pain condition) and it caused a lot of problems because my ex-boyfriends took it personally and were pretty awful at talking about it with me. Have you talked to her about what does arouse her? Like Krauser Kat says, it's super important to talk to her about this. Find out what would help her get in the mood. If she doesn't know, suggest some things. Does she read erotica or watch porn?

If she doesn't feel aroused by anything, then yeah, she may be on the asexuality spectrum, especially since she has mentioned the lack of physical attraction and how it confuses her. For me, the attraction was there, but my "okay, fine" attitude came from knowing the experience would be uncomfortable/painful.
 

Gotdatmoney

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But I honestly think she'd be happy if we were in a nonsexual relationship.

This is the only thing in your post I think needs to be answered. As long as you are okay with a relationship that isn't particularly sex driven this shouldn't be a big problem I imagine. Oh and obviously you have to talk about it regardless. Get everything in the open.
 

Megalosaro

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
431
Southern California
I don't really care about sex too much. However, I don't want to be in a completely sexless relationship. I'd like the option to be there. It just makes me upet I can't turn her on or arouse her.
 

NTGYK

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Oct 29, 2017
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The last month in women:

1) parents tried to set me up with a girl who's brother died three weeks earlier and was still grieving about it. There wasn't any chemistry there.

2) hooked up with a girl in a bar. Went back to her place. Her friend came in and vomited on the bed during and accidentally broke my phone. Killed the mood. Didn't finish.

3) parents are trying to set me up with another girl. They texted me her picture. She's super cute. Definitely the cutest girl they've tried to set me up with in a long time (they've tried with over twenty girls at this point lol). Let's see if she's interested in coffee.
 

SolmisateSol

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Nov 2, 2017
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The last month in women:

1) parents tried to set me up with a girl who's brother died three weeks earlier and was still grieving about it. There wasn't any chemistry there.

2) hooked up with a girl in a bar. Went back to her place. Her friend came in and vomited on the bed during and accidentally broke my phone. Killed the mood. Didn't finish.

3) parents are trying to set me up with another girl. They texted me her picture. She's super cute. Definitely the cutest girl they've tried to set me up with in a long time (they've tried with over twenty girls at this point lol). Let's see if she's interested in coffee.

Your parents are secretly your bros.
 

NTGYK

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Your parents are secretly your bros.

They want me to get married asap haha. Wouldn't be a problem if they just let me meet and date the girls, but my dad insists on interfering and has screwed up no less than two of these setups.

But most of the girls they try to set me up with, I tend to dislike or not have any chemistry with them. So this chick is really cute, but let's see if there's some mutual attraction
 

gaiages

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Oct 25, 2017
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The quote you provided and the situations you've described make it sound more like she was admitting to being on the asexuality spectrum, not that she's specifically not attracted to you. I would talk about it more and read resources like AVEN together.

Sounds like it.

I used to think that was the case too, but she said that for a long time, she gave up on being in a relationship, so she'd just go looking for hook ups with random guys

Asexual people can still want to have sex.
 

Snake Eater

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Oct 27, 2017
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My girlfriend said something that has me slightly unnerved.

I was in a great mood especially after Saturday. But then Sunday night we met up and we were just talking. She at one point said something "I don't ever feel aroused and I get confused because I know I should." She also mentioned that she is attracted to my personality, not because of my appearance." She also mentioned that she never really gets in the mood for sex, but does so because she feels I'm expecting it.

We weren't fighting, just sort of hanging out. Like I know she loves me, but now I'm wondering if she desires me. I don't think so. Too be honest, it's something I've wondered for a while but surpressed because I wrote it off as insecurity. But I've never felt that sexual urgency from her. I've always had to initate. The times we do have sex, which is about twice a month, it's always like "ok.. fine" vibes from her. But to hear her say it out loud... now I'm confused.

I know she loves spending time with me, and stuff. But I don't think she thinks of me as a viable sexual partner. And it's probably my fault. I have no doubt that she wants to be my girlfriend. But I honestly think she'd be happy if we were in a nonsexual relationship.

feel thankful she was so clear with you and get out of this relationship while you can, if only one partner is attracted to the other this is not going to end well
 

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Asexual people can still want to have sex.
I watched a documentary on asexual people years ago and the five or six people interviewed were really really insistent they didn't want to have sex or even a SO at all. By the end of the doc, a number of them had a boy/girlfriend and was no longer asexual. Makes me wonder if asexuality is just a symptom of loneliness.
 
Hahaha how so? Aside from the dog bite, everything seemed pretty vanilla.
Its just like i said, i cant explain this more clearly ;)

Well I mean this is dating era. Not friendship era. So I think the implication I was making was that she did give any signs she wanted a relationship with you.
Which she did.

But like to put it plainly if you want a date you just ask for it. If you aren't getting a fuck yes then its basically a no.
Ayup.
 

NTGYK

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So what's the chance of an STI if you used a condom and didn't cum

My friend is asking for science purposes
 

Megalosaro

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I'm going to talk to her tonight. I'm just worried that I don't have the skill to discuss this. The last thing that I want is to sound accusatory because it's not really her fault if she's not in the mood. And I'm actually okay with the amount of sex we do have. I just want her to want it as well. I don't want to force her to do anything she doesn't want to do
 

Trojita

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Oct 25, 2017
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Are you saying that EB64 posted porn somewhere? Did you quote the wrong person?



If she specifically said she wants to be a good housewife to her husband, or something like that involving gender roles, then maybe? But people that just start dating having one cook for the other isn't all that uncommon in general. We recommend it plenty of times when it's the guy asking what to do, after all :p



She never lead you on, come the fuck on dude.
He posted porn on the old forum when he got mad he wasn't banned yet. He did it yesterday. Seems they nuked the thread.
 

NTGYK

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I think EB64 was trolling tbh. I read over his posts in this thread, and it's the most drama-laden woe-is-me shit I've seen in a long while. Like, posts just with no explanation that go "No... oh my god..." come the fuck on.
 

NTGYK

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My friend is desperately trying to remain friends with his ex (who dumped him) because he needs "female friends" as he does not have any at all. He just found out that his work buddy and ex-girlfriend are hanging out with each other. His work buddy has a thing for Asians, which the ex is. My friend is making a big deal about it.

The cringe is real.
 
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I think EB64 was trolling tbh. I read over his posts in this thread, and it's the most drama-laden woe-is-me shit I've seen in a long while. Like, posts just with no explanation that go "No... oh my god..." come the fuck on.
He did take it very hard but he's not well and has a psychiatrist. Time to forget that incident now, he's left the forum.


My friend is desperately trying to remain friends with his ex (who dumped him) because he needs "female friends" as he does not have any at all. He just found out that his work buddy and ex-girlfriend are hanging out with each other. His work buddy has a thing for Asians, which the ex is. My friend is making a big deal about it.

The cringe is real.

My god that's tragic. The reason he does not have any female friends is probably because he's clinging onto his ex instead of talking to other women. I'll take an educated guess that he's also coming across weird to the other women he does talk too. Is your friend making comments in the ball park of "Work buddy only likes her because she's Asian"?
 

Sygma

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Oct 25, 2017
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My girlfriend said something that has me slightly unnerved.

I was in a great mood especially after Saturday. But then Sunday night we met up and we were just talking. She at one point said something "I don't ever feel aroused and I get confused because I know I should." She also mentioned that she is attracted to my personality, not because of my appearance." She also mentioned that she never really gets in the mood for sex, but does so because she feels I'm expecting it.

We weren't fighting, just sort of hanging out. Like I know she loves me, but now I'm wondering if she desires me. I don't think so. Too be honest, it's something I've wondered for a while but surpressed because I wrote it off as insecurity. But I've never felt that sexual urgency from her. I've always had to initate. The times we do have sex, which is about twice a month, it's always like "ok.. fine" vibes from her. But to hear her say it out loud... now I'm confused.

I know she loves spending time with me, and stuff. But I don't think she thinks of me as a viable sexual partner. And it's probably my fault. I have no doubt that she wants to be my girlfriend. But I honestly think she'd be happy if we were in a nonsexual relationship.

She's trying to control you dude. Remind her your worth as a person, and as a partner if you always treated her well (and still doing it). Ask her what's not triggering her desire, have some honest talks. But if she's remaining vague, it's most likely to see if you're going to tag along with her bullshit. I mean, aren't you your own person ? of course you gotta expect sex in a romantic relationship. Admittedly, there are moments in marriage where you won't get any for as long as a year or more, simply because of what life is triggering in people's minds.

But yeah seriously. Don't put up with her shit, keep your chin up and go see somewhere else (not literally heh ?). Flirt with other women, make some new friends, remind her she's expandable and that YOU ALSO are the prize my dude.
 

Leeness

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I watched a documentary on asexual people years ago and the five or six people interviewed were really really insistent they didn't want to have sex or even a SO at all. By the end of the doc, a number of them had a boy/girlfriend and was no longer asexual. Makes me wonder if asexuality is just a symptom of loneliness.

Noooope. :p
 

Megalosaro

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But yeah seriously. Don't put up with her shit, keep your chin up and go see somewhere else (not literally heh ?). Flirt with other women, make some new friends, remind her she's expandable and that YOU ALSO are the prize my dude.

I absolutely refuse to play games with her. I'm not going to flirt with other women. I'll admit I should be more confident, but I have so many conflicting emotions on this subject that I don't even know how to unravel this. Like, I don't think I'm entitled to her pussy. If she doesn't want to give it up, that's her priority. But it's something that I want to share with her and is part of a healthy relationship. When she said that, alot of my own insecurities and anxieties started flaring. Like, before I never cared that she had past dudes. But now I do all of a sudden. I started to wonder how easier she was turned on by them. And that's not fair to her. But I can't help those thoughts pouring in. It's like a poison.
 

Sygma

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I absolutely refuse to play games with her. I'm not going to flirt with other women. I'll admit I should be more confident, but I have so many conflicting emotions on this subject that I don't even know how to unravel this. Like, I don't think I'm entitled to her pussy. If she doesn't want to give it up, that's her priority. But it's something that I want to share with her and is part of a healthy relationship. When she said that, alot of my own insecurities and anxieties started flaring. Like, before I never cared that she had past dudes. But now I do all of a sudden. I started to wonder how easier she was turned on by them. And that's not fair to her. But I can't help those thoughts pouring in. It's like a poison.

Yeah you re simply proving my point
 

HammerFace

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think you misunderstood my post then. I simply said to go change your mind and get back some of that self worth in you.
Literally all of your advice was to basically say fuck it to his relationship. Go flirt with other women and remind her that she's expendable. That's an easy way to fuck up something actually good, and replace it with some bullshit based on her fear of losing him since she's expendable. FOH with that shit.
 

Alek

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Oct 28, 2017
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I'm a little late to this, but wtf? This is where I would run.

Yeah, like I said it's a bit weird.

But y'know, if I don't probe into her thoughts on that, it doesn't naturally come up - and moment to moment, it doesn't really affect how we interact or speak to one another. And at the same time, I do want children, a nuclear family, and all that, so regardless of how she rationalises it, she still wants the same thing that I do.
 

Sygma

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Oct 25, 2017
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Literally all of your advice was to basically say fuck it to his relationship. Go flirt with other women and remind her that she's expendable. That's an easy way to fuck up something actually good, and replace it with some bullshit based on her fear of losing him since she's expendable. FOH with that shit.

When you ll become emotionally mature, feel free answering in a way that doesn't involve insults because right now you're not being reasonable

But yes. No matter if mega had it hard in his past or no matter the strength of the relationship, it is basically an indefinite power struggle until each partner manage to stay strong, honest and equal. Not a single relationship is the same, yet they all have the same baselines : confidence, honesty, security, shared values and desires.

It is not the first time that mega is exposing some existential doubts about the very nature of his relationship, and the same point is brought up almost everytime : his desire for intimacy. Sex or the lack of it are one of the triggers encompassing this feeling, now it is to the point that he is admitting lacking in confidence about his worth as a lover.

(edit : slightly untrue, he also told some other issues regarding his own excitement)

Now I don't know about you but this has been lasting for months and he's faking acceptation of the situation. It's a loop. You ponder on shit and go on and on and on, instead of realizing that what you have in terms of "friendship" / familiarity is bugging your mind and you re not comfortable settling down for this.

Today he used the word poisonous. I am not telling him to play games, I'm telling him to get to know other people and work out the insecurity issue which is only fair. You d be insane stopping all kind of social activity simply because you re in a relationship. I didnt tell him to play games, but she's still obviously using a leverage here which is : "I'm not excited by you and I feel like having sex twice a month is also not enjoyable"

What the fudge man. What is wrong about her saying she simply want the closeness but no physical action at all?

Could it be boredom? Probably yeah, spicing it up is a thing. Does she feel something deeper and should mega endure it?

Answer is no. Her issues. Give the man some room so he can have that intimacy he's obviously craving. The whole of it also sounds like he s co dependant but that can be worked out through therapy aswell
 
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